Love'r and leave'r - the tragically optimal way to play Sal & Pimenta

If you check https://redrift.gg/meta and look at pairs of heroes you'll see that in redrift the lovers Sal & Pimenta are

A) One of the most picked duos in the game (5th highest)

B) With one of the highest act 1 clear rates of any duo (81%)

C) With the LOWEST full clear rate of any highly picked duo (38%)

So, what's going on?

Well, I believe it has all got to do with the lovers trait and how people are playing it wrong. On its face the trait seems simple, Pimenta gives Sal a bunch of attack speed, Sal gives Pimenta a bunch of armor, and then you scale into the lategame and crush the final boss together. Right?

Wrong, you get wrecked at the final boss because your damage is bad and despite 700 armor you aren't that tanky. What gives?

Well, to put it simply Sal and Pimenta's B tier choices are both really important, and giving a bunch of stats to a bad unit missing a B tier spec isn't going to win you the game. That said, with the lover buffs AND a real B tier spec either one is capable of hard carrying a run... on their own.

So, the tragic strategy -

Act 1 - Pick up Sal & Pimenta, whichever one gets upgraded to B tier first gets the Lover. Whichever is upgraded second gets either Spicy or Brisk.

Act 2 - Scale for as long as you can, and then about half way through sell the lover for a better tank/dps. Ignore Pimenta's cries as she watches 300 attack speed Sal run off with Rowan "the friend".

Tips for lover scaled Pimenta:

Once Pimenta has 300+ armor along with spicy (duelist) she is the best lifesteal tank in the game. She doesn't really need to worry about regular damage, she just needs to lifesteal enough to out-heal poison and burn, which is easy to do.

Prioritize attack speed, lifesteal, and relics that provide debuffs. Plague bauble is incredible, duelist's foil (AS + Omnivamp + extra AS every 15 autos) is BIS on her. In general you don't need to worry too much about defensive items, health is nice but you can get more effective health from omnivamp so I think it's best to just focus on attack speed and omnivamp (even the 5 gold AS/omni item is pretty good!)

A lover scaled Pimenta is the best solo unit in the game, with items and a debuff relic she can pretty consistently solo challenges, and even the final boss - her damage is really good and she will usually be your top DPS.

She isn't super team reliant, but duelists that give her AS buff are nice, so are mystics that can give her more effective health, or anyone who can apply debuffs if you miss a debuff relic. Respeccing your lover Sal into a breezy Sal also makes her a great partner late game.

Tips for lover scaled Sal:

Some people like the Breezy (duelist), which is more popular right now, but trying both out I'm pretty sure the Brisk (warrior) is much stronger with this strat. With items and lover scaling a Brisk Sal will kill bosses and rooms stupidly fast, well before Breezy Sal can scale up.

Brisk Sal scales very well with pretty much every offensive stat - Magic, AD, AS, crit, and mana are all great on her, so are on-hit effects! IMO the single best item is Wizard's focus for the starting mana, AP and crit. After that I like Mage's wand for starting mana and scaling AP (if her bonus attacks kill it scales wand), but spellblade and polymath prism and siphoning dagger and like 10 other items are all great on her as well.

She works with a lot of frontliners, but one of the best IMO is intrepid Kai - she's great at applying the on hit armor debuff and can do enough damage to down bosses/rooms before intrepid Kai's initial rush shield is up. Anyone who can buff her even further, like backup Tilly, is also great.

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u/aahdin — 2 days ago

Anyone else impressed with Deivon Smith so far?

I haven't seen any posts about him, but I kinda hope we bring him up for some 2nd unit playmaking next season. Looked great yesterday and was our best player tonight as well with 16/9/5 and +6 in a 10 pt loss. Lotta creative passes, and whenever he drives with the ball it seems like something good happens.

17/7/7 and 38% from 3 last year in Santa Cruz as well. SCW posted a 15 minute long highlight reel of his 9 games with them last season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LuZMwoMg4g - TBH I think this probably could've been edited down to just the best highlights, but still there are a lot of GREAT plays for just 9 games and it's kinda crazy to have 10% of your minutes played end up as highlights. I thought this block at 13m was especially GP2-esque, but he's also got a smooth stepback.

He's definitely on the smaller end but with Pat gone we could really use some ball handling/shot creation for the 2nd unit.

u/aahdin — 1 month ago
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Pritchard + Hauser + Scheierman + Queta + Walsh + Garza + Gonzalez are making under **$28m combined**. They played >60% of the Celtics total minutes last year.

I've seen a few dozen posts on the JB trade today but I haven't seen this discussed much. The Celtics have an absolute bargain bin roster - I'm pretty sure if all these guys went into free agency tomorrow they'd be paid 2-3x as much collectively. They each played over 1000 minutes last year for the Celtics.

Jaylen Brown alone is making $65m guaranteed in 2029, even if you don't extend him. Most of these guys are up for new contracts before then, and PG expiring a year sooner is actually a pretty big deal since that's when Pritchard is up.

I'm guessing that this was a pretty major factor in the trade - with Jaylen Brown on the books it seems very difficult to keep the team together. Especially if you extend him it becomes practically impossible, and if you don't extend him that comes with its own boat load of problems.

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u/aahdin — 2 months ago

I looked up the at rim shooting stats for players mocked to us

Hey it's sometimes annoying to find at rim percentage stats, so I decided to look them up for players I've seen discussed for us in this draft. Posting partially for my own reference so I don't need to look it up by team again.

Name at rim % % assisted 3p% % assisted pts/36 age
Aday Mara 81 64 30 100 18.6 21.2
Yaxel Lendeborg 73 51 37 84 18.0 23.7
Hannes Steinback 71 60 34 94 19.3 20.1
Cam Carr 68 59 38 70 20.2 21.5
LaBaron Philon 66 15 40 58 25.6 20.6
Mikel Brown 65 28 34 51 22.4 20.2
Brayden Burries 65 36 39 74 19.4 20.8
Ebuka Okorie 56 13 35 41 23.8 19.2
Nate Ament 52 46 33 89 20.2 19.6

Shooting stats from https://barttorvik.com/playerpbp.php?sort=1&year=2026&conlimit=&tvalue=Alabama&minrim=0&min2=0&min3=0&tot=0&rev=0

Age/ppg from https://www.tankathon.com/big-board

Big standout to me is Philon, shooting 66% at the rim with 85% of his shots being self created is pretty impressive. Also the best from 3 and the highest volume. Mara's at rim % is also really impressive, and Carr impressed me there too but seems like more of a play finisher than a creator. Okorie is also doing a lot despite being the youngest player on the list.

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u/aahdin — 2 months ago

If LaBaron Philon ate a family sized bag of doritos the day before the combine, how much higher do you think he'd be mocked right now?

After weighing in at 176 in the draft combine LaBaron Philon's stock has been tumbling. I've read ~20 different scouting reports and mock drafts that list it as their primary reason for dropping him 5+ spots, below many guards that weight 5-10lbs more. A huge amount of the criticism revolves around him not gaining weight from last year.

Something missing from all of this is that unlike height, single day weight measurements fluctuate a lot based on water retention - 5 lb fluctuations are pretty normal, but 10+ lbs is doable on a hydration protocol (fighters regularly do this to gain weight before a fight, after weigh in). These mostly involve eating a lot of carbs, salts, and fluids.

If Philon had eaten a family sized bag of Doritos the day before and weighed in 5 lbs higher at 181 (around where other guards like Carr landed) I think even if he does a bit worse on agility drills he probably ends up 3-5 spots higher.

u/aahdin — 2 months ago

Are there players with college careers similar to Brunson's who ended up being busts?

I didn't really follow the 2018 draft at the time, but after the finals I went back through to get an idea of how to maybe spot a "diamond in the rough" like Brunson, superstars who fell to the 2nd round are always kinda interesting for retrospectives.

But with Brunson... he's got one of the longest lists of college awards I've seen. Half a dozen player of the year's, 2 titles,19 ppg on efficient shooting while running one of the best ever college offenses. Pretty much the consensus best player in college the year he was drafted, and known for an amazing work ethic/attitude/motor.

I guess he was a junior, but even then Obi Toppin went top 10 the next year despite being a year and a half older. And even in Brunson's same class he went below plenty of sophomores who were only a few months younger than him - Donte had a way smaller role in nova and is only 5 months younger but went 17th! Plus with Brunson it's not like his freshman/junior years were bad.

I know it's kinda cheating to look at these drafts in retrospect like this, but with how great he was in college I am wondering how on earth he went 5 spots below Jacob Evans - is being 9 months younger and an inch taller but mid really more important than being the best player in college?

So my question for people who follow the draft more than I do - is it that common for players who do that well in college and have no motivation problems to be useless in the NBA? Was it really reasonable for him to go that low? With the 33rd pick most guys don't ever become NBA rotation players so I have to imagine the majority of scouts didn't think he would even play in the NBA, let alone have any kind of star upside.

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u/aahdin — 2 months ago
▲ 101 r/warriors

The Knicks ball movement tonight was so great to watch

It's awesome to see Mike Brown killing it as head coach. Sacramento is an absolute terrorist organization I'm happy they fired him and he got out of there.

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u/aahdin — 3 months ago