Aeons and their Counters

So 4.6 brought to light a very popular theory of the fanbase, Aeons and their counters or opposites. Nihilux gave us a start of the full diagram between the Aeons so I just wanted to give my own two cents on what I think each pair of Aeons is.

To note however, being counter to another Aeon is not the same as sharing in their origin. Enigmata arose from Remembrance but Mythus doesn't counter Fuli. Similarly Voracity and Elation, both Oroboros and Aha are connected but again, they don't oppose each other in terms of their Paths, rather their Paths are more similar then different. In anycase, starting with the list.

Confirmed in Story

- Destruction vs Preservation

Stated by Nihilux. Not much room for argument here. Nanook wishes to destroy the universe, Qlipoth wishes to preserve. Not much to comment here except to note that Aeons that oppose each other doesn't need to ascend together. Qlipoth is one of the oldest Aeons while Nanook is the youngest. We should keep this in mind as we go to other pairs where some of the Aeons are currently dead or missing. In anycase as for Destruction and Preservation, pretty simple all and all. Push and Pull for the Mistborn fans out there.

- Erudition vs Enigmata

This is a pairing we knew at the start of the game. Mythus rose to oppose Nous, stating if everything was known their would be no future. Nous wishes to know everything while Mythus makes it so knowledge can be wrong or misleading, allowing their to errors and so Nous's extrapolations to don't set the future of the universe in stone. That is there relationship

- Elation vs Equilibrium

This was newly introduced in 4.6, that Aha's actions are blocked by HooH's intervention. According to Nihilux when Aha says "This game sucks, let's play something else," HooH says, "For every gain, a loss. Fair trade." Aha revels in chaos, while a god of games they aren't against cheating or switching things up. HooH however disagrees, in their goal to bring everything to zero-sum, every action comes with reaction, their cannot be anything given for free. Thus does HooH oppose Aha in their constant revelry in always having fun.

Personal theorized pairings

- Hunt vs Abundance

Now this one is pretty much already in the game. Just didn't mention it abive as Nihilux didn't bring them up. Honestly the logic makes sense. Abundance creates overpopulation through immortality while Hunt culls the numbers through death to bring it back to balance. It is a metaphor for an ecosystem scaled to the universe. I should note that this logic for them does actually make it apply to other pairings as well like Voracity vs Abundance, Hunt vs Propagation, Voracity vs Hunt and so on. Lot of these are actually quite valid reads as well but given the sheer antagonism seen in the game about Lan and Yaoshi i thought I keep it simple and keep the pair as is for now.

- Beauty vs Nihility

To me, Beauty and Nihility are the most like opposites. While Nihility does share thematic connections to Elation in both believe nothing matters with different responses, no Path better refutes the statement of nothing having meaning then the Beauty which believes everything in the universe has meaning. That literally is what Beauty is, us putting values on everything we observe. So yeah I think comparing IX and Idrila makes the most sense out of all the options.

- Trailblaze vs Harmony

Trailblaze is a Path of individuality, everyone walking their own road while Harmony is a Path of assimilation, of all become one voice. At least this is the logic Asat Pramad uses in-story where he says Trailblaze and Harmony counteract each other, thus allowing our Stellaron to not spiral out of control. Note Trailblaze I often see paired up with Finality and I do agree with much of theories surrounding it but I feel Finality has a much better pair which I'll mention next so I'll leave off with Akivili and Xipe facing each other.

- Finality vs Remembrance

So Finality and Remembrance. You may be asking why but to me it makes the most sense out of all the pairings. Think of it like this, both Fuli and Terminus ascend at the end of time and travel backwards chronologically yes? What makes them different then? Its because they travel back in time for different reasons. Fuli travels back to recall the whole history of the universe so that they make recreate it all anew, perfectly replicated to all they can remember. Finality travels back as a warning, foretelling doom and sorrow is coming. Why? Because they wish to change their fate. Terminus wants the future to be changed, so that whatever end of the universe that created them doesn't come to past. Fuli and Terminus are counters because their goals contradict each other. Fuli wants everything to stay as they remember them so they can recreate it all again while Terminus wants everything to change so that they never come to be. You wouldn't think Finality counters Remembrance but thinking it like this i don't see what other option fits best for them.

- Permanence vs Voracity

Now were reaching the part im not so confident in. Voracity vs Permanence. I do think the Paths share a connection through Luxbane and I very much believe Long was also a Leviathan like Oroboros was but how would the Paths counteract each other? Well currently i know Abundance can counter Voracity as seen by Evanescia vs the Husk, neverstopping growth vs endless hunger. Abundance pairs up so well with Hunt though so I had to ponder. Think of it like this. It is often theorized that Abundance broke off from the Path of Permanence, especially with how both talk about Immortality. Abundance though is immortality of the self while Permanence is the immortality of the species. If Abundance can satisfy Voracity though, can the Permanence? I believe it can. Just comparing the Paths, Voracity is selfish, only wishing to further your own existence and appetite while Permanence is selfless, letting your own body become the food for others if it means they can survive. Its not a perfect one and one but it is the best reasoning i currently got. Again I do think there is a connection there, given how Luxbane is said to target either Path.

- Order vs Propagation

And now the one I have the hardest time explaining. Honestly in terms of Paths. Order makes the most sense to be against Elation as Law vs Chaos. But Nihilux brought HooH as Aha's counter. Maybe you can explain this as becoming the case due to HooH taking up Ena's duties after their fall as mentioned in Swarm Disaster but thats not the argument i am making today. Honestly I do think you can make a case of Order vs Propagation, just looking at the actions of their Aeons and Paths. Order wishes everything to be controlled but not necessarily stagnant. Civilizations will flourish under Ena's hands but also fall. Followers of Order are noted to be famed martyrs with Ena themself said to have purposefully orchestrated their end so that their Path wouldn't be corrupted by the fear brought by Propagation. Turning to Propagation though, its a Path of personal survival. Tayzzyronth ascended from a fear of death and loneliness and Firefly talks about the wish for survival is baked into the DNA of the Path no matter the consequences it brings. Even though many members of the Swarm willfully give their lives if ordered, it doesn't stop to intrinsic instinct to offer it all up for Tayzzyronth. While the Order will see everything rise and fall as is right, Propagation will buck against this, creating chaos in defiance to a definite end. Ena grew to their strongest during the Swarm Disaster so I do think their is a possible pairing with the Paths as opposites, even if it isn't as apparent at first.

In anycase, thats my list. I feel like lots of folks will disagree with it so feel free to come up with your own pairs and listings, I would love to see it. If any of my points you agree with, I would also love to learn why. Thank you for taking the time to listen to me ramble.

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u/amurgiceblade44 — 13 days ago

Revelation about a Masked Fool in the Readable, Oroboros Stratagem Proposal

This readable is a diary of Nihilux, where she goes over her plan and her perspective of the events of 4.x

This is what she says about 4.5

Just as I anticipated. The disaster countermeasures Pearl had prepared for the Fulwish Crisis but never ended up using came in handy when Asat Pramad and the Voracity brought calamity upon us. As for everyone else, I'll leave them in Bragi's hands. He has a spare key to the tavern, after all

So, who opened the door to the Tavern in 4.5? Their is only one, Sampo Koski. This means Sampo's real identity is Bragi. If you don't know who Bragi is, there a legendary drinksmith, the first bartender of World's End Tavern. Companion to Enroute who resigned from their role after becoming disillusioned by the current state of the Masked Fools and according to their resignation letter would retire to a far off remote planet in the universe to rest their weary legs. Sounds like anyone?

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u/amurgiceblade44 — 17 days ago

New Sampo Lore!

So this is from the readable Oroboros Stratagem Proposal

Just as I anticipated. The disaster countermeasures Pearl had prepared for the Fulwish Crisis but never ended up using came in handy when Asat Pramad and the Voracity brought calamity upon us. As for everyone else, I'll leave them in Bragi's hands. He has a spare key to the tavern, after all.

So, anyone recall who was it that opened the door to the Tavern? Why mention of Bragi despite them having long since leaving the Tavern? We can connect the dots can't we.

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u/amurgiceblade44 — 17 days ago

New Moonlight Tales and Floating Grease - Short breakdown

So finally went over the new Moonlight Tales. Here are my observations

- the whole set up is realized in the set up to be a simulation, as characters in the Tales becoming aware their in a story. Makes sense as each one is modeled after one of the current Suplicants, it can't be an actual retelling of the original 8.

- Characters in the Tales are Sunday, Ashveil, Evanescia, Silver Wolf, Kuchiba, Sparxie, Blade, Pearl, Asat Pramad, and Nihilux. They are all telling their stories to you, the last of the 8 Supplicants.

- Blade's and Pearl's stories are more about their character arcs. While interesting and introspective, their not too important in the overall story. Just know they tell Blade's change from seeking death to killing the Abundance and Pearl's pursuit of understanding human emotions and art.

- Asat Pramad's and Nihilux's stories are much more interesting. Asat's tells of his time as Enroute and how he fought against one the remaining husks of the Voracity after their fall, how he had knocked out their teeth, alluding to his myriad celestia. According to him, he had gotten devoured by the husk after depowering it but managed to escape by tricking it through stealing its shadow. Before leaving however the husk warned of Aha's encroaching madness and how one of the Fools will become a devil. This prompted Enroute's journey as Isee until he realized in the midst of his travels, he had become the devil that he was warned of.

- Nihilux is split in two parts, it tells how Aha was corrupted by the Voracity after felling the beast with Akivili and Qlipoth. It tells how Aha went into hiding, unreachable to the Fools and Actors. Until one Actor found them amongst crying children, right before their tears turned to laughter. The actor tells how the Fools will be fine without Aha, the actors needed a leader, someone to unite them. Thus Aha embraced the actor's destiny and made the first and only Troupe Master of the Mourning Actors.

- Later, it tells how Aha become mad, gifting curses alongside miracles. The Troupe Master found this mad Aha and challenged them to a series of games. After winning, the Troupe Master would take as their prize Aha's moonlight and tell it stories to put them into slumber, ending with the same phrase the Tales began. If this story is true, this puts Nihilux as someone who inherited the position of Aeon from Aha, becoming the new Elation. Though it also doesn't exclude the mad Aeon of still being active as well.

- The Tales end saying this is a setup for the future, to give guidance to the people if the Serpent awakens and madness returns. It answers the question if Aha could feel compassion for humanity, saying it has cried and laughed with them since the beginning of time

I also read the new Floating Grease Chronicles. The new quest with Arita helped clarify what it all represents

Foxes - Interastral Peace

Monkeys - Masked Fools

Frogs - Mourning Actors

Rabbits- Nameless

Now when reading the FG, that should give a better context to what they all mean

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u/amurgiceblade44 — 1 month ago

What Metal is the Blessing of Fortitude.

Anyone know what metal forms the spikes for the Blessing of Fortitude? Kandra got a new Blessing not mentioned in the books before but it doesn't say what Hemalurgic Metal makes it so im wondering if a writer or dev has said something about it. Im guessing Steel because Pewter is ReLuur's Blessing of Elasticity and from the mechanics it seems physical oriented but I still thought to ask.

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u/amurgiceblade44 — 1 month ago

New Hints regarding Himeko's Emanator Status

So some fun stuff, the recap for 4.5 actually explained what happened in the scene after we made the wish to the Stellaron. All the Stellaron did was take us back in time (which i have mixed feelings about, given their are places Himeko acknowledges the convo we had with her before) but it does establish that her power up wasn't due to the Stellaron but due to us helping her manifest the Starblazer properly.

Given how for her ult the whole team gets transported inside the mech and how Welt said he stayed behind to help her maintain it, does feel pretty clear that is the actual condition behind her new form, the support of the Express Crew. This does mean though that her Invalid Rating and hinting of being an Emanator of the Trailblaze likely comes due to the fact the Starblazer is fully manifested and is where the likely Emanator power lies, like with the Harmonic Strings and the Xianzhou Spiritus. Does that all make sense for folks?

u/amurgiceblade44 — 2 months ago

Owlbert's True Form

So this is something, in the newest post on Hoyolab, its mentioned that Owlbert suffers from avatism, aka being regressed into a less evolved form. Funny thing this was mentioned before in the game

The Zatzka race, a people of bird-humanoids was said to have once fell victim to Dr. Primitive

> Dan Heng: Intellitrons deteriorated into mere machines, Zatzkas regressed into birds, and even the most ubiquitous human civilizations were subjected to the same fate: millions of apes and monkeys now wander amidst the ruins that they once called home.

As we see with Ratite and Gaux, Zatzka's are meant to be these giant humanoid owls yet Owlbert in KUWSR has only ever been an normal talking owl, with the only time they appeared in game was with a puppet buddy. With the pic of Astropolis, it seems to be the same and now we know why. Owlbert appears to have been one of Dr. Primitive's victims like Narrator and is now just an owl. Seeing the continuance of worldbuilding is very fun so im excited seeing this expanded on in game.

u/amurgiceblade44 — 2 months ago

In my opinion, Berserker is Lancelot's strongest class

I know its commonly considered that Saber is Lancelot's stronger class compared to Berserker, I disagree. Sure Saber has Lancelot more sane, depicting him at the peak of his life as the Peerless Knight of the Round Table, a perfect use of the famed strongest servant class, but I dunno, Zerkerlot has always been more impressive to me. Let me break it down in a few ways

In a Holy Grail War:

In a HGW, Saber Lancelot would likely be the much better option i admit but that is not because he is stronger, he is just more mana efficient. The biggest problem with Berserker is using Madness Enhancement to already boost an already powerful Servant. As we saw in Zero, despite reworking his body to be a mana battery it was still too much for Kariya. In a HGW, being adaptable is more key to winning then being stronger since your master must also be taken into account. In this context, Saber is the better version despite not being as strong compared to Berserker. Note I bring this up in comparison to Heracles who is a nerfed as Berserker as he has lost most his skills and Noble Phantasms, a problem Lancelot doesn't have.

In Stats:

As expected, in terms of stats Berserker is stronger. With A in STR, END and A+ in AGI compared to Saber's B in STR and AGI with END at A(or B in STR and END with AGI in A, the game and mats conflict each other.) They have the same luck at B, though Saber Lancelot got a modifier to make it a B+(though mats have it as E). Both have C mana(though again, Mats have B, im very confused whats goining on with the material book)

Anycase as we can see, Madness Enhancement gives Lancelot a big boost in the physical stats. While Saber Lancelot in theory should be able to match up with Arondight thanks to its stat up, if on a level playing field and Berserker also can use the sword, thats even more overpowering for him.

In Skills and Noble Phantasms:

In terms of Skills, its all the same except as Saber Lancelot gets the Skill Knight of the Lake, which allows him to temporarily add a + mod to any parameter except for LUCK(which already gets boosted by Protection of Fairies, which they both have.) While strong, again compared to Madness Enhancement's boosts is just more efficient. Which is good for HGW, but pales when were just comparing the two just against each other.

(Im ignoring Zerker's Mana Reversal skill as it got added in a FGO strengthing. While we can guess from the name, likely doing with Knight of Owner we honestly can't get much from it other then vibes)

For Noble Phantasms, they both have access to the same set, For Someone's Glory, Knight of Owner, ans Arondight. Note while Saber mainly uses Arondight and Berserker FSG and KoO, they aren't prohibited from using the others. Its mainly comes down to mana usage as Berserker using Arondight takes a lot more mana. Berserker isn't even prohibited from using Arondight Overload even, as we see him using it in his animations in FGO and Extella Link. While it might be simple to assume he can't use the full name activation as a Berserker, we have to remember that with Eternal Arms Mastery, Berserker suffers no degradation of skills, with Arondight Overload specifically being called out as a sword skill. Most likely then not, the only reason its not use more often is again, because of the mana needed.

In Character

Now im going to go on my speculative rant, looking at the characters of Saber and Berserker. As a Saber, I feel like Lancelot isn't making full use of all the tools available to him. Like in his animations, all he does is use Knight of Owner to boost a stick, allowing him to dual wield. While neat, its hardly impressive as a Servant. For me in terms of characterization, Saber Lancelot's flaw is being conceited and self-engrossed. He takes for granted that he is the strongest, doing the only the bare minimum necessary and being caught up in his self-loathing. Despite being seen as the ideal Knight, Lancelot is too caught up with his mental hangups to act in full confidence for himself, thus why he often messes things up and leaves people disappointed. To Lancelot, he says he is most fit as a Berserker. Undoubtedly he says this just out of self-loathing but I think he is more right then he intended with this.

As a Berserker, Lancelot has lost it all. His fame, his honor, his good name. After a scandal he has been reduced to man owning nothing but a sword, driven in a rage to protect the woman he loves no matter the cost. As a Berserker, it is here we see Lancelot's skills used to its full effect, no holding back and always at full power. Here we see creativity in the use of Knight of Owner, with Lancelot making everything in his surroundings to his advantage. I first started thinking about this when I first saw convo comparing Lancelot to the eastern sword saints Musashi and Kojiro. Despite the best swordsman in the West, Lancelot doesn't really do introspection with his swordsmanship as a Saber, as he is more caught up with his legacy and being an ideal knight, caring more about the expectations of others then himself. I feel like its only as a Berserker we actually see this aspect of Lancelot where he has forsaken everything as a Knight, becoming nothing more then a sword to be used. That is just my subjective opinion anyway as this is a character analysis. What do yall think? Agree or disagree?

u/amurgiceblade44 — 2 months ago
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So with Attila made an ■■■■■, who do you think is a way they could add more Hunnic/Hungarian aspects through her story?

Exactly as on the tin. With Attila the Hun an alien, they basically abandoned the historical character. Now note im not a hater for type moon for doing this, even since Stay Night they have always been liberal when creating servants and their backstories, Angra Mainyu the perfect example. No my question is given how this is the current state of Altera, how would you do to make her more connected to the Huns?

Whether through her or a character related to her or the Hunnic culture. Anyone got an idea of how Type Moon could do a more indepth dive into Hunnic culture? They do these on occasion as we see with Azrael finally tying back to the sects Islamic origins so im wondering what could be done the same for Altera

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u/amurgiceblade44 — 2 months ago

So with Attila made an ■■■■■, who do you think is a way they could add more Hunnic/Hungarian aspects through her story?

Exactly as on the tin. With Attila the Hun an alien, they basically abandoned the historical character. Now note im not a hater for type moon for doing this, even since Stay Night they have always been liberal when creating servants and their backstories, Angra Mainyu the perfect example. No my question is given how this is the current state of Altera, how would you do to make her more connected to the Huns?

Whether through her or a character related to her or the Hunnic culture. Anyone got an idea of how Type Moon could do a more indepth dive into Hunnic culture? They do these on occasion as we see with Azrael finally tying back to the sects Islamic origins so im wondering what could be done the same for Altera

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u/amurgiceblade44 — 2 months ago

Games of Elation

So I've been wanting to do this for a while, ever since the reveal that the Phantasmoon Games was set up to seal Voracity using Elation and Abundance, I wanted to go over all the games described in DU and other materials and try to fit them into the frame work. Hope yall enjoy.

Games of Elation

- Planarcadia and Phantasmoon Games: Our most clearest example, makes sense as were playing through it. 8 supplicants are chosen, they gather Wishpower and offer it to the Phantasmoon, where the Panarch Elwood resides. This Ambrosial Arbor then takes this Wishpower and uses it to satiate the husk of Voracity that dwells within the planet. For the winner of the games who accumulated the most wishpower, Aha grants them all their authority for a single minute, allowing them to act as the Aeon of Elation in that time. Should be noted that Wishpower is in its basic form the Primum Mobile, the essence of the Paths but has become a physical substance thanks to the power of Elation bestowed by the Phantasmoon.

- Vonwacq and the Devil Hunt: Detailed in the Vonwacq planar, Alien Seed series trace material, Periodic Demon Lord Occurrence, and touched a bit in the main story. It says on the island of Wacq, there exists a tree called the Thestang whose fruit births all animal life on the planet. This tree is apparently an eco-genesis machine that releases innumerable life forms to restore the planet's biosphere. As part of this system, every 60 years a Devil falls from the tree, an interstellar worm once thought to be extinct. This creature devours its kin, metamorphorizing itself for armor and weapons which then wages war against civilization on Vonwacq until it can be felled. These war would leave all society stuck in a constant Stone Age. With the reveal in 4.3, it is very much apparent the Thestang Tree is likely an Ambrosial Arbor while the Devil as creature of Voracity, come back to life to die per this Game of Elation. As stated in the Myriad Fruit material "Through this method, the ancient sages imprisoned the most terrifying thing within a most ridiculous game." Word for word Evanescia quote in 4.2

- Twin-Sided Planet and the Eternal Sprint: Detailed in the Eternal Sprint Equation, tells how after being invaded by Swarm remnants, the Twin-Sided Planet was reduced to a planetary ring, who's existence could only be sustained by an ancient Planetary Treadmill Generator. Every decade an Eternal Sprint is held by the Twin-Sided Monarch to maintain the ring's momentum and energy. The contestants must run the ring nonstop, with the last one standing being gifted a reward by the Monarch while everyone else gets executed. Refusal to race also leads to execution, which as a result has left many Sin Thirters on the ring stuck on their Eternal Race. Interestingly, this race was explicitly called out by Screwllum and Moonlit Tales as a game left by Aha, so I'm wondering if the Twin-Sided Monarch could be an envoy for them in some way. Undoubtedly the deaths are what seals the Voracity in the world though we don't know any details on the rewards the Monarch offers.

- In the History Agent Equation, it tells of a world whose memory core has hit its limit, this caused its many nations such as the Golden State and Orange Coalition to war with each other for the right to record their history. A being called the machine spirit, apparently amused by the folly sent down an oracle to establish a game. Now agents of every state fight each other other, with the winner being allowed to etch one memory to genes of every living being on the planet. This seems to be set up as an machine world of Erudition rather then Abundance interestingly though should be noted given the fact it says memories are etched into the genes of living beings does leave room for the Path. The machine spirit is obviously Aha in some fashion and I'm currently wondering if the reason the memory core is full is that the Voracity is taking up all the ram. Thats my theory anyway.

- In the Wheel of Career Transition Equation, tells how in the Marty Alliance, after an orbit all participant's consciousness are downloaded in freshly generated bodies, where your career is pulled randomly from an available pool ranging from Alliance President to dinosaur. All skills and knowledge needed by the profession is directly downloaded into your brain. If you die your consciousness re-enters the process for the next round and it says new participates can enter the rotation. With how the Equation offers praise to Aha, they were likely responsible for creating this world and is another game to feed the Voracity, the created bodies in the least point to Abundance involvement.

- In the Maze of Eternal Massarce Equation, tells the story of constantly reincarnated hero and nine-headed monster existing in a maze who must kill each other repeatedly while millions of alien tourists watch as entertainment. The figures in this play are data backed up by the maze and are forced to fight each other by their programming. They don't know why their departed ancestors made the maze but are have become exhausted by the constant reincarnation. Given the entertainment aspect and the nine-headed monster, likely another game by Aha to seal Voracity likely making use of their audience like Wishpower in Planarcadia.

- In the Fabled Land Equation, tells of the planet of Daek which has been shrouded by a cloud of probability after their Plasma Torch Tower extinguished, making the whole world exist as if in a laggy game where doors don't open, water can dissolve you, rolling can make you clip through and fall into secret tunnels or make you immune to damage, and where a picked up stone can bite you. It is said that the flame gifted by Aha can temporarily can briefly disperse the cloud, and how people have tried to reignite the torch but have yet to succeed. This seems like a Game of Elation but its connection to Voracity is unclear. Is the cloud of probability because of the Voracity or is it unrelated? Too little info to tell.

- In the Conceptual Sacrificial Rite Equation, tells how on Planet Devor, embodiments of concept are offered to a pitch black abyss on the planet as a sacrificial rite. All concepts offered to the abyss are utterly erased from the planet, implied to be because of a transcendental power dwelling within the abyss. Undoubtedly this is a ritual devised to seal the Voracity within the planet, seems pretty straight forward though no indications of the presence of Elation or Abundance.

- In the Bald Creator Equation, tells about the Baldia Hair-Pulling Contest, where to win you must out all the hair of your opponents until they are completely bald. The winner gets rewarded by Aha with a perfect, luscious mane. Given Aha's involvement this is definitely a Game of Elation but the fact you can seal the Voracity through hair pulling is hilarious to me. Maybe this is because of the Abundance seal but I have no idea haha.

- In the Comet Handler Equation, tells how on Planet Mio there is comet called the Intruder that is constantly trying to collide with the planet. This Comet however can be rebuffed with a joke, causing it to veer off course and change its orbit. The citizens of Planet Mio have become used to the Intruder with scientists even trying to develop a joke powered propulsion to steer the comet. This was called out in Moonlit Tales as a miracle of Elation so I theorize the fragment of Voracity lies within the intruder, with Abundance making it alive to allow it to understand humor and Elation used to keep it distracted. Thats my current theory on it.

- In the Divine Retribution Voting Device Equation, tells of the Divine Penalty voting site on Taggel, where one must vote for 10 sentient beings to recieve the Divine Penalty and if you abstain you get the votes automatically assigned to you. The site itself seems to be alive, wishing to eradicate evil and seemingly created to bear the responsibility and malice by the people of Taggel. Given the cutthroat nature of the game, it seems to be a Game of Elation though definitely quite dark as it goes straight in the matter of seemingly voting for 10 people to die though its never establish if that is what happens if one receives the Divine Penalty.

- In the Ability Raffle Competition Equation, tells of how Yindoran elders condense all their precious life experiences in a Memory Bubble to pass it onto later generations after they. Who gets which Memory Bubble however is determined by a lottery, thus making the inheritance ceremony a game of chance. This leaves the Yindorans to be jack of all trades due to the mixing of skills from your own experience and what you get in the lottery. Im unsure how this ceremony seals the Voracity as it seems more tied to Remembrance and Elation then anything else but I can see how you could make it work with the other examples we got.

- In the Planetary Bumper Cars Equation, tells how their is a system were instead of a star life revolves around a light bulb created by the Aeon of Elation, whose blessing provides all their light and heat. Many worlds exist in this system but only a few can live in the habitual orbits, thus these people drive their planets to ram into each other, competing for the desired orbit for a warm summer while knocking out other worlds to expierence endless winter. This seems like a crazy Game of Elation, with the life giving aspect of the bulb screaming Abundance to me though how it relates to Voracity im unsure.

- In the Flipping Ant Equation, tells of the Othello Ant Colonies where rival Queens compete with each other, with control constantly flipping as invaders are taken over by the defenders pheromones. This cycle of reversals have happened constantly on the planet until they overtake entire continents in the conflict. Outside of the war, its relation to Elation, Voracity, and Abundance is unclear given Propagation seem like it be more relevant.

- In the Serpent Slithering Equation, tells of a formless being with a mask. Described as a hundred eyed, hundred legged, human faced serpent, it slithers underneath the city and sewers, devoruing all. Anything it devours become a part of it and seems driven by a never ending hunger. Suffice to say, connections between Voracity and Elation is very clear though im unsure whether the Equation talks about an actual creature or its an allegory for Aha and Oroboros.

- In the Galactic Grand Lotto Equation, tells about rhe Abelane Galaxy Lottery. The Abelanean's speak that they have recieved a Numinousity by Aha. Every 8 months a resident is randomly selected to become a millionaire, with the wealth literally coming out of the thin air. The trick however the winner must spend all the money they won before the next lottery, else they become part of the pot to be gifted to the next winner. This gifting of incredible wealth yet drive to use it all seem like an easy mechanism to point to how the Game of Elation is sealing the Voracity, metaphorically feeding money to the husk it seems like.

- In the Cosmic Bakery Equation, tells how when the planet of Tonbas begins to tremble, a bakery competition is held to where moon and satelite size cakes are baked and are thrown into the hollow in planet's core to please Aha all for the god to reward them with the recipe for the cosmos finest desert. This is the most literal Game of Elation, where they literally are feeding the husk of Voracity and thats hilarious, Aha got kind of lazy here.

- In the Card Game Rookie Equation, tell of Magic Card, a card game created by the Laughter. The cards measure all things and people use to to resolve everything from tests, wars, job interviews or supermarket deals. The champion of Magic Card is said to receive a reward given by the God of Elation. This competition seems like a staple Game of Elation but how it seals Voracity is unclear. In Moonlit Tales, there is apparently a ceremony of Elation called Card Game of the Future on the Pitch-Black Star. Whether this is the same ceremony as Magic Card is unclear, at least in English translation anyway. If they are the same, the Pitch-Dark Star makes the Voracity connection very apparent.

- In the Song of Gravity Equation, tells about Tailitrace, an inhabited world that orbits a black hole. To honor the astronauts who are sent in its gravitation field, a song festival is held to see them off, a grand celebration where everyone comes together to sing and rate each other's songs. The winner becomes the next astronaut, and their prize is the song of the first singer, stretched by the time-dilation of the black hole and harmonized by all the singers that come after, the full song only hearable by those that enter the black holes range. This ceremony of sacrifice and song around the Black Hole makes the connection to Elation and Voracity very apparent.

- In the Master of Fates Equation, tells about the Papu. It tells how one hundred of them are chosen to become Master of Fates, these supposed Masters can be killed by the other Papu with no consequence, with their souls apparently pleasing Aha. Suffice to say this sacrificial rite is more likely being used to sate the Voracity, their deaths being offered as appeasement. Another quite dark Game of Elation

- Moonlit Tales: Moonlit Tales tells of a few other worlds touched by Elation, though whether its true or not is unclear given how the story seem to have been written relating to the current Games. It tells how their is a world where laughter causes one to cry gems, until joy is desentized and poverty becomes common. Another tells of a world where two youths don wolf pelt so they can become possessed by the ghost of a monster wolf until one can be felled. Last relevant story tells the story of the Lunar and Wax Knight taking down a great multi head serpent, seemingly talking about the fall of Oroboros by other Aeons. Again how relevant these stories are is unclear as they seem to relate more to the supplicants like Sunday, Ashveil, Evanescia, Silver Wolf, Sparxie and implyingly Kuchiba. Keep that in mind when reading them.

Worlds of Elation and other miscellaneous things

- In Life Forged by Dice Equation, tells how Diceans all are born with a twenty sided die that determines everything they do in their life, all activities and actions decided by a dice throw. While definitely touched by Elation, there is no indication of a larger Elation ceremony i can figure. Best guess this could be Enroute's homeworld, given Isee's and Asat's die.

- In the Aha Radio Station Equation, tells how the planet of Jim Jones Star killed itself because of constant unfunny jokes. On a neighboring planet, the Aha Radio Station was established by so called Aha believers who used high power radio telescopes to broadcast jokes they wrote across the cosmos. After a century of enduring constantly bad jokes, the people of Jim Jones Star destroyed their civilization after a collective mental break. While unrelated to Planarcadia, there doesnt seem to be any connection to a Game of Elation so I added this planet in this section.

- In the Truly Fortunate Chess Equation, tells of the game Yumanji which is used to settle disputes among Fools. They stake their masks, and the game is seemingly enforced by Aha, especially punishments for leaving midway. While a Game of Elation, its not a planet wide phenomenon but more seems to be a ceremony done by the Fools, thus why I have it here.

- In Shadowchasing Mechagod Equation, speaks of how in emulation of Aha, sealed a creation of Rubert to eternally chase the sun, trying to eradicate a phantasm of humanity the Fool pinned to the sun. As a direct emulation of Aha, doesn't seem to be about a Game of Elation but done copying the Aeon by their followers, showing their modus operandi.

- In the Super Jock Equation, tells of the advanced education system of Doramon where people are geniuses by 10 years old, with a "Knowledge Injection Gun" said to be highly popular. To prevent their students become total bookworms, they must launch a lead ball equal to their own body weight into the air, however this got exploited to the point the balls broke cosmic velocity and now millions lie in low orbit around the planet. The ceremony was changed to make use of this artificial asteroid belt as an obstacle course for students to fly spaceships through. While hilarious, I can't quite tell how this be a Game of Elation thus I have put it here.

- Summoner of God Equation, I added it here because the speaker said their homeworld was wrecked by a dice game which they blame Aha for. Thats all the info we got however

- Punklorde: While Aether Hackers are Pathstriders of Elation, the world of Punklorde itself doesn't seem like it has any connection to Voracity or Abundance. The tech of Punklorde seems to be a legacy of the Genius Society while the Aether they interact with is the domain of Mythus. This means Punklorde is more connected to the Paths of Elation, Erudition, and Enigmata compared to all the ones I brought up thus I havent included them with the rest even with them determining your life capabilities through the level of cartridge would fit quite well.

- World's End Tavern: An interspatial Tavern that exists on over a thousand worlds and the hq for the Masked Fools. Each branch of the Tavern's houses an Echo of Primordial Laughter, an spatial rift arising from Aha's ascension where any Fool can recieve the Laughter's Gift. I added it hear given how interconnected the place is with Elation though the influence of other paths is suspect other then Voracity given it is a bar to consume drinks albeit brewed from jokes.

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u/amurgiceblade44 — 2 months ago
▲ 19 r/HimekoMains+1 crossposts

Himeko's Backstory

So having reviewed the quest a few times, I have constructed a definite backstory of how Himeko found the Express. Neither are wrong but rather both are true.

Here they all for reference.

Retelling 1

>Himeko: But I'm clear about the beginning of my story with the Express. That day just so happened to be my birthday. Back then, I was hiking outdoors and looking for a place without any light pollution to observe the light and orbit of Heaven's Finger.

>Himeko: Then, using a telescope, I saw a bright spot streak across the sky. I thought it was a comet and thought nothing of it.

>Himeko: But it wasn't until the spot grew bigger and bigger that I realized there was something wrong... That thing pierced straight through the atmosphere without burning up, and flew straight at me.

>Himeko: So I drove as fast as I could to get out of there, until I heard a loud crash behind me as if the entire world had been flipped upside down...

>Himeko: It was the Express.

>Himeko: I saw a train half-buried in a huge crater. When it happened, I said to myself that this cannot possibly be a thing of this world. It's too dangerous to get close to it...

>Himeko: But, out of basic human curiosity, I dared to take a closer look. I keep thinking to myself, just one look, just one look.

>Himeko: So, I figured out a way to go inside the Express. The internal structure was incredible, especially its engine...

>Himeko: By the time I came to my senses, I had already passionately finished fixing the Express and was already embarking on a journey aboard it.

Retelling 2

>Himeko: Me? Ahhh, I don't have an interesting past...

>Himeko: Long before I was born, the Astral Express crashed onto my world. I found it when I was still young. From then on, my life became closely bound to it.

>Himeko: It took me ages to repair the Express and board it to travel to the stars... It was the wish of the Express and my dream to set sail through the unknown sea of stars.

Character Story

>The girl is lost.

>She can't remember when she became lost. She just walked and walked, on and on into the dark night, chasing the sun and the moon, over and over again — until she falls.

>She remembers what she looked like as a college freshman, remembers her chosen major — interstellar travel dynamics — and now she's lying face down in the mud.

>She looks up to the stars, and just then sees meteors streaming down: one, two, three... And then more, smaller ones, flickering and flashing ever so finely before a magnificent blaze tore open the night.

>Her limbs drag her forward, leading her on to where the land meets the ocean. At the shoreline, the waters jostle against her like how the tide treats that stranded Express, alone and lost.

So the confusion was the difference right, how the Express crashed long ago but she says she witnessed it crashed.

Actually however, she never did say that. She said she saw a comet or meteor. We assumed she was talking about the Express but that wasn't actually the case. The quest tells it plainly here.

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The meteor and Express was different phenomenon and it was the meteor that led her to the Express in the world in canvas

What was the meteor, a manifestation of the Trailblaze, an Imagenae born from the people's yearning for the Express? I have no idea and those are just a few guesses of mine. In anycase hope its all cleared up now. To note the quest not only referenced her character story but both retellings, confirming it happened on her birthday and how on the day she found it, she was able to get to fly. So everything should be in order now

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u/amurgiceblade44 — 3 months ago
▲ 72 r/HimekoMains+2 crossposts

Contradictions with Starblazer, what's your interpretation?

So funnily I found a contradiction between posts in the Arcadia Alert. In one saying Starblazer isn't a product of Wishpower, while in the other saying that it is. I'm guessing this is one of the results of having a game with many writers haha.

In anycase, how would you interpret this to make it both work? For myself, I consider a couple of factors

  1. Wishpower is path agnostic. Its true form is the Primum Mobile, the thoughts and desires that forms all the Paths. It is normally incorporeal and invisible, existing only as mental activity and spiritual wavelengths of people. Its only under the Phantasmoon, using the power of Elation it becomes an actual substance. In Himeko's character story it is said she use the Wishpower of Trailblazing to bring it to life, that implies unlike normal wishpower it used the power of another Path to bring it to life.

  2. While the Starblazer is made out of Wishpower, it is the actual design that is important. The blueprints of the mech, Pegana's Legacy is what's important, their seems to be something very special about the technology that makes it different, something intrinsically tied to the Trailblaze. While this seems weird, that you can get something this powerful no matter the source its actually not the first time we have seen something like this. The Scepters also functioned similarly. While the first was made from Nous's divine corpus, the rest weren't and they were still incredibly powerful. Given Pegana's relationship with the Trailblaze, perhaps this is enough to get power from the Path.

  3. Himeko Nova's rating is Invalid, this implies her to be an Emanator. She is currently the same nebulous place as Phainon, as we can't say definitely where the rating comes from. There are many theories, one saying that Starblazer acts similarly to the Spiritus/Harmonic Strings as a transferable blessing of Akivili, others that as the successor of Akivili, using the power of the Stellaron we made Himeko our Emanator. Would anyone who could create and pilot a mech from Pegana be rated similarly? What did our wish to the Stellaron actually do to Himeko? After all not just Starblazer we saw her being able to manifest a whole fleet of the Astral Express when she powered up. Does why is was looking into exactly whats going with Starblazer, if her power is tied to it or not and whether it is just an Imagenae. Mysteries upon mysteries.

In anytake, what are your takes? What be your interpretations?

u/amurgiceblade44 — 3 months ago
▲ 130 r/StarRailLore+1 crossposts

Pegana's Legacy, Starblazer, and Himeko Nova

So im just writing what I have observed so far about Himeko's big mech.

Pegana's Legacy Originally weapons of war used near the birth of the Path of Trailblaze to conquer worlds in its name by the people of Pegana. It seems no longer the case though it apparently was still active until Akivili fell, from how Asat spoke it seemed like only Akivili knew how to build the Legacy, implying it was used by the Aeon on some capacity. Was it their method of choosing Emanators? Unclear.

Starblazer Himeko's recreation of the Legacy. According to the readable, the blueprints was incomplete and required materials unavailable for her to build. Thus she decided to use Imagenesis to recreate it, filling the blanks with what she could best understand. This being was an Imagenae, thus followed all the normal rules of Imagenae, specifically not being able to exist outside Planarcadia, thus why Himeko didn't pull them out before.

Himeko Nova and the Stellaron And now Himeko Nova. The Trailblazer made a wish to the Stellaron and from it, Himeko seemed to have gotten a massive power boost, summoning many projections of the Express and manifesting Trailblazer. She seems to have fundamentally changed, as her rating was changed from 8 to Invalid, implying her seemingly becoming an Emanator. Does this mean Starblazer is real now, no longer limited to Planarcadia? To early to tell though i doubt they will limit her new power like how they havent limited our powers as Chrysos Heirs. If the change really is the presence of Pegana's Legacy made real that does add weight to it being the Trailblaze's blessing for Emanators but thats just speculation for now. Currently she is in the mixed zone like Phainon.

Additional Note - Express's Engine So there is a readable in the patch explaining what caused the Express to restart. Basically after all the repairs Himeko did, the only thing stopping the engine from igniting was the willingness to take the next step, thats the actual trigger, following the Path of Trailblaze. Because of her sicknesses, Himeko gave up hope and resigned herself to death, the Express couldn't respond to her when in this state instead of when she first found it when she was able to take it on a short flight. Kind of cheesy answer but it goes into how its because the fuel of the Express, Trailblaze Power is basically from venturing out to new horizons, all under the will of the Path. So if your not an actual Pathstrider of Trailblaze, you can't get the fuel to ignite.

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u/amurgiceblade44 — 3 months ago
▲ 255 r/NihiluxMains_HSR+2 crossposts

So interesting observation about Aha

So this stuck out to me. Asat says that in days past Aha used to hold trials and as a reward give the winners their own face. Does this mean he offered one of their Masks? Is this whats going with Sampo and Nihilux? Like them being Emanators of Elation or even Aha themselves has been constant speculation but we had nothing except for sus vibes and Silver Wolf's own status as Emanator didn't help as theirs was done on a whim.

This is the first hint we got on their possibility of their being more structured Emanators to Elation, people who can speak as the Aeon as they hold one of their faces. It would explain why the Aha Silver Wolf met had Nihilux's voice yet the figure themself seemed to imply they weren't Aha despite their appearance. Im extending this to Sampo as well because if it really is talking about Aha's masks, we know there is a big mystery with his and its loss.

The fact that the one that answered Motoko's wish wasnt Aha but a seeming represtative also points their could be a messenger situation.

What do you all think, yay or nay?

u/amurgiceblade44 — 3 months ago