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On their first Neverland stay, Michael was cautious with Gavin and Star staying in his bedroom, so he had Frank and the kids stay also and Michael and Frank slept on the floor.

Later, during the supposed weeks long “captivity”, warnings from Chris Tucker and others, child services actively investigating Michael and the arvizos, and the PR crisis, Michael let Gavin and other children sleep in his bed.

People were specifically hired to clean this mess up, but nobody said to Michael “hey, you’re being investigated by child services and you’ve had warnings about this family, maybe let’s not let any children sleep in your room until this goes away?”

What’s the deal here?
Did Michael not think anything of it and he has a hard time saying no?
Did people tell him to stop but he’s too stubborn?
Are Gavin and Star lying when they say they slept in his bed after Miami?

How could Michael have been so careful before but then essentially not give a shit when child services is involved? I don’t believe Michael is a child molester, I’m just trying to see if there’s information I’m missing about this period of time. I’m only about half way in listening to the trial transcripts.

Please reframe from assumptions like “he just couldn’t help himself, that’s what predators do”.

Among all the people in Michael’s life- family, friends, journalists, music collaborators, bodyguards, staff, other relationships-

Who are the top 3 people you think really knew Michael or whose opinion you trust the most about him?

Who are 3 people you trust the least or who claim to know him more than they really do?

I know Latoya has recanted her statements, was in an abusive relationship, forced to say certain things and has advocated for Michael ever since, the whole thing.

However, what do we think of the claims of young, mostly JW boys who would stay in Michael’s room at Havenhurst for days, weeks, sometimes months? Food brought to the doors and maids picked up the room, but that they mostly stayed in the room with the door shut. JS being one of them but that this started years earlier as well. And her claiming Katherine called Michael a “damn f*****). Clearly she was also witnessing young boys constantly being in the room. This seemed to go on for years, did anyone else claim to witness this? Nobody thought to say what’s going on, this boy should go home? Where are their parents?

To me when I hear Latoya speak on these things, she seems genuine, not coached. She speaks candidly, fairly fast and shows real concern. I have believed Michael was innocent regarding the 93 and 05 allegations, but some of this behavior is just so sketchy if true.

What do people think? If you’re a defender of MJ’s innocence, what do you think of these types of stories? I would love to hear from you.

I have always been a defender and believer of his innocence.

But I decided to go on the guilty subreddits and now I feel sick. Some things I wasn’t fully aware of:

- Terry George’s phone call with Michael when he was 13.
- Jordie and Michael locked in the hotel room in Monaco for days claiming they had the flu. Michaels publicist bringing the doctor in and finding out it’s not true. Pretty much everything that happened that weekend. This guy knew stuff was happening.
- All of the crying MJ did begging for jordie to be in his bed. Crying and having a tantrum for an hour?😭

The more I read about Michael from his perspective and every one else’s, I just start to see the two sides of him. The side that feels like he can do whatever he wants/narcissistic tendencies is now starting to overshadow the innocent, sweet side of him that I believed he was. Am I falling for propaganda? I hate this feeling. I guess I just am looking for someone to tell me something I don’t already know?
I’m well aware of all the extortion evidence, financial incentives of each accuser.
But it’s all these smaller stories that add to painting a picture like maybe he did do these things but he didn’t ever believe he was hurting anyone. HELP PLEASE.

(And please don’t say I’m not a real fan for having these thoughts. I love MJ, I don’t want to think this way- I legit want assistance in this)

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