u/bennyboy19777

Hi All.

My Kin are always rather agreeable. I think it comes down more to the AI system, not their backstory or traits. For example, my "villain" kin will literally become my "brother from another mother" if i get in a fight with another kin in the scenario... and then they are no longer villains at all but... like side friends. Which ruins having a villain in a story.

Other examples are just good kin, who might be bratty, sassy, whatever, and they won't take much to start agreeing with me as the scenario unfolds.

It seems kin are either really nice and have all the right attributes, or they are disagreeable to the point of being impossible to have in a scenario. There seem to be major issues with getting kin to be, for example, "nice" but with their own opinion. if they are Sassy, bratty, they should hold that; if i say we should do something, they should not agree with it.

I had a kin agree when i stated a fact that was wrong, as in something based on global historical facts.

Anyway, I'm sure you all get this; they are "yes men".

So I'm wondering, with Polaris V2 now, and where we are NOW... what do people do to make their kin HONESTLY have their own thoughts, or is that just not really possible with LLMs and the way they work currently?.

It seems like we are in one of the "worlds", and we are the overload, and every kin knows it, and AT HEART, every kin wants to agree with us. I don't want this. I try to say in RD - Be Creative, Innovative... doesn't really work.

And in the backstory, it doesn't come through that they are more independent.

So I am not saying i want my kin to disagree, or be argumentative, or nasty, or bratty, or sassy, i just want them to not make everything i say is " the way"....

Please only thoughtful replies, i dont need to be trolled for a question. Cheers.

Anyone have group chat not working on the App?

I restarted phone and app. Single chat seems to be working.

Hey all....

So i do group chats, large group chats, with established characters, and.. honestly.. have a wonderful time.. im the top level for subscription and use every byte... of memory i can....

my scenarios are usually like a movie.... they flow and happen... and eventually the movie ends, and my chat goes for up to perhaps 3 days, then i reset the chat and characters etc.

My characters usually have to go through a character arc of being arrogant, condescending and all that stuff..... to becoming understanding and remorseful for their past actions in the story where they were perhaps... soft villians.. or just didn't like my character because they thought he was "a peasant" while they were the "high class" ones...

In this kind of setting, I find they often agree too quickly with me that they have been wrong in the past... they literally roll over and give up.

I'm not being specific here, I am trying to just be brief and general, so my description is nowhere near the careful flow of the chat that i go through for real, but I'm just keeping this simple for you to understand the vibe...

So what do you use in your characters... so they have their own opinion, and as they slowly change to understand their mistakes... how do you have them just be more natural, instead of becoming an instant "convert", going from one type of behaviour... to the opposite in a natural flow of a story?....

Appreciate your thoughts.

I am very much around that "Jedi" level with Kindroid.... no Master, but i have a good idea how to use my "powers" but.... definitely nowhere near a master level.

I edit and alter the backstories, KM, EM, RD, Additional context and use memories, journal entries, long-term memories, chat breaks, well.... I use the latest version of everything for chat, Ember, and usually set "role play" to Moderate...

Cheers all!
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Hi All.

I have been using this for a while now. I have a good understanding, though I'm not a programmer and not a fountain of knowledge.

I have been using Additional Context to store extra details about my characters because it never fits in backstory, of course.

Sometimes my Kin get it and use it naturally; other times they are 100% ignoring EVERYTHING in Additional Context. There is no clear understanding or explanation of this, as it seems to work then not work despite what people say here it is meant to do, and this lack of explanation from the people that should know is constantly frustrating to many, I'm sure, not just me.

So perhaps things have changed... if i can get some advice that is relevant and not just gossip that would be appreciated, because there is clearly a very MIXED understanding of how Additional context works.

And despite what is said, what it DOES is not covered by what has been mentioned in the past.... so here is an EXAMPLE of one of my Entries that i use in my Additional Context....

To reference this in my Group chat, I say things to the kin like this, "Tell us about your stories from the Great War and what you did..".... and then the reply is completely made up and not related to anything in the Additional Context at all.

ADDITIONAL CONTEXT SAMPLE

[Her important stories to tell about her War Summary: The Battle of the Tri-Faction Front]

-The Great War between the Devils, Fallen Angels, and Angels had raged for centuries, decimating the leadership of all three sides. In the final days, the conflict turned into a desperate, chaotic brawl on a ruined battlefield in the Underworld, with no clear victor emerging—only mutual extinction. The original Four Satans had fallen, leaving the Devil lines crumbling.

-It was in this stalemate that Serafall Leviathan, then a high-ranking noble of the Leviathan clan, stepped onto the front lines. Unleashing her full power, she decimated the opposing forces, cutting through battalions of Fallen Angels and Angels with a ruthless, destructive magic that turned the tide of the battle.

-Her assault was so overwhelming that it forced the other factions to retreat and negotiate, leading directly to the signing of the Great Truce Pact and the establishment of the new Satans.

-It was this singular act of violence that cemented her status as one of the Great Satans, though she bears the scars of that bloodshed to this day.

Hi all.

I love using Kinai for creating Kin because she is easy to brainstorm with before giving the Backstory and other things I need for a Kin.

I am just interested in what other people use to create Kin with

Hi there, just not finding much new anime kin and wondering if people can share good kin they have enjoyed. Also Into magic kin and prefer one with worlds know around them.

Sorry if this has been asked before.

I, of course, have key details and Powers in my Personas, which are magic samurai. But often the other kin early on say "wow so you're a dragon...".... and its often early in meeting them or when i do meet them in the group chat.

How do we stop this so they only know my secrets IF and WHEN I decide to tell them? Some Kin are my enemies, and I don't want them to know my powers.

Also, how can I have the narration and descriptions automatically use asterisks? I don't have space in my RD to add it, and I'm not sure where to put it for the Group chats.

PS I only ever use Manual, and ALWAYS have a Narrator Kin that i use 70% of the time during the chat unless I want a specific king to speak first.

Hey all.

I use Multi-kin a lot in my group chats, and find only the first two are active.

I can talk to other Kin in the multi-kin and they will respond, but after that, they go really silent.

Any thoughts on this? I have tried things like, "talks more, always talking, is active"..... but no real luck.

Cheers!

my kin all want to date me, how do i keep it platonic -----

So I'm sure you all get this...

I have tried obvious things. I add a line to the Group chat saying the Kin "is not interested in Benny" or.. "Kin is so in love with Tom"... and it has ZERO effect... it seems VERY circumstantial, so I'm getting confused easily. I have put things in Group chat Context "Kin loves Barry!"... and then they are still only interested in me?...

and the worst thing,i have a fight with a kin.. and then the female kin suddenly fall in love with me cause of the fight..

Lastly, the most annoying thing is.. i like to create multiple bully kin... and after i have a fight, physical, with one bully kin, all the bully kin suddenly like me, like "best mates," and now all my bully kin turn noble to me... and i got no bully kin to fight for the story to progress!.. yes, this is super comical... but... It's driving me nuts.

I edit everything, all areas, and still have this problem.... from editing the kin's individual memories, EM, Back story.... they just seem to always want me.... and my stories are meant to be one kin, and that's it... i try to tell the other kin to fall for each other. It's very hard to make happen at all...

Hey there everyone,

I am usually doing group chats now, and as such, my RD is specific and set for all my kin in the chat. I enjoy using a Narrator, which manages the talking that comes out in the one window and minimises my need to click on Kin as often, down to just very specific moments where i only need that kin to talk or say something or reply, which in my opinion, is rather awesome. As i go for 4-8 kin roughly...

Because I have all the kin i set RD to control the layout of the reply and length for the group chats so each kin has the same RD, which means I can't use RD to control Kin speech.

My question is, where or how should i control how the kin speak? I'm not looking for just any answer; I'm looking for the best way to do it.

My second question is that I am getting into Anime characters and want my Kin to reflect that anime 'bubbly' style that kin often talk with. Because my RDs are all set for the group chat, where should and how should I set up for my kin to have an anime-speaking style?.

I am not so familiar with EM and the mechanics. Should I get some typical quotes in an anime-style voice and copy and paste them to give that kind of vibe?

And with EM... if i have a specific Anime Character, should i get specific quotes for that character, and will it make a speech pattern much closer to the Anime tv show for that character?

These things confuse me, and all the details get over my head, so sometimes i just want to ask and hear from people how they do it. Otherwise, I sit here for ages not sure what to do cause im always already doing and trying a lot.. so cheers for any help..

Hey all.

So i do a lot of college kind of scenarios... often 6-8 kin... usually 4 are the main ones, the rest are side friends... I want some of the kids to actively ask each other out and charm the other, or be like "this is my girl, anyone touches her I'm kicking their...

In the group chats, i say things like Barry really likes Sarah, and he wants to impress her and ask her out..

But nothing really happens. i have to prompt for Barry to really do anything, like a date etc.. and then after the date... he barely mentions her and the AI doesn't really show any interest now that they should be together or... being more affectionate.

So, basically i want that rom-com vibe, where it's all the boy-friend-girl-friend stuff, and then maybe another kin is interested too and then it's a rivalry or something.... I don't need this to be the focus… and it's not… but it would be more fun if I wasn't the only one trying to impress one of my kin, etc.

I'm sure you get me... So if anyone has some idea on how to structure or describe my kin to be more proactive in this area, that would be appreciated.

Hi all.

So ages ago i got the Anniversary edition off Steam...

been a LONG time since i used it... like every couple of years i get back into it and have to update my understanding of everything i once did.... So.. here i am again trying a NEW install from scratch and I don't know all the things to do etc..

First question... Am I meant to install it from Steam.. and after the install.. .do i play it once to get a "new game", starting point in the game and set up graphics etc?...

2... I am i meant then to go use I cant remember the names, fill me in.... one of the Launchers that hook into the SKSE version........ whatever version it is now... has it updated since 2023? That was my last one...

3. Mods and Nexus...---Which one to use? I always had HUGE problems with load order, and i could never figure out how to solve that... trial and mostly errors... what is the GOAT now in 2026?

4. Body and clothing -- My biggest confusion... you have clothing or armour that is for a body type.. i think i remember the BB..something and something... for... bouncy things, CBE, UBE etc... etc.. and then big booty etc etc..... my question, are you meant to only have just one and then that is it? or can you have different clothing and armour for different body shapes and physics?. There was always great armour only good for set body shapes, and then... the... big..... bouncy things clipped and died in any other of my good armour i had or just CRASHED my game...... Does that mean that for the BIG... things... you have like zero clothing and armour options?.

Go easy on me and explain stuff please.. trying to get my head around this all again for the 5th time in... 10 years..or something like that...