Puddle flange install - opinions?
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Puddle flange install - opinions?

This is well out of my area of expertise, but how do we think the tiler did?

The guy who did the screeding apparently didn’t have the flanges on him at the time. A different young guy showed up on day 2 and put the first coat of waterproofing down. Then the boss showed up the day 3 and dropped off the puddle flanges and left the young guy to install them and do the second coat of waterproofing.

For context this company was one of the more expensive quotes I got and are very well reviewed and recommended. The boss who did the quoting sounded really knowledgeable and switched on, but he has not done any of the work to date. I am currently away for three weeks so it’s pretty hard for me to monitor this job.

From the minimal knowledge I have of puddle flanges, having a large channel gouged out around them sort of defeats their purpose in the first place? Any water that gets under the tiles will just sit in that gouge and not drain away?

Or am I just being an overly pedantic owner?

I should also mention in WA there is no legal requirement to issue a certificate of compliance for waterproofing.

u/biggest_kid — 1 day ago

Above vanity powerpoint - best position for it?

So we had a sparky install a purple box for a powerpoint above our bathroom double vanity benchtop, but there was a miscommunication and unfortunately he installed it right in the middle of the tile line that will be the top of the backsplash.

I am going to ask him to come back and move it before the tiler starts, but just wondering if I should ask him to move it up above the backsplash, or down below it and closer to the vanity top?

Considering the options I would prefer it lower so it is closer to the vanity top and therefore the gadgets that will be using it (water flosser, toothbrush chargers), but electrical regs may only allow it about 50-70mm lower than it is given we are having above vanity vessel sinks installed.

If we move it up it will be approximately 450-500mm above the bench top which might look odd but will be clear of the sink no-go zone.

Anyone done this and have any advice as to what will look less shitty while still being compliant?

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u/biggest_kid — 30 days ago

Best height for powerpoint above bathroom vanity

So we had a sparky install a purple box for a powerpoint above our bathroom double vanity benchtop, but there was a miscommunication and unfortunately he installed it right in the middle of the tile line that will be the top of the backsplash.

I am going to ask him to come back and move it before the tiler starts, but just wondering if I should ask him to move it up above the backsplash, or down below it and closer to the vanity top?

Considering the options I would prefer it lower so it is closer to the vanity top and therefore the gadgets that will be using it (water flosser, electric toothbrush chargers), but electrical regs may only allow it about 50-70mm lower than it is given we are having above vanity vessel sinks installed.

If we move it up it will be approximately 450-500mm above the bench top which might look odd but will be clear of the sink no-go zone.

Anyone done this and have any advice as to what will look less shitty while still being compliant?

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u/biggest_kid — 30 days ago

Cracked render for tiled wall - how bad is this?

Hi guys,

Just finished grinding the plaster off the rendered brick walls for my bathroom renovation and noticed some areas have cracking of various sizes.

These walls will be tiled now so just wondering how much of a concern these are? Sorry for the bad pic quality, kind of hard to get a good photo given the lighting in there.

One or two areas sound a bit hollow when tapping, but it’s hard to tell for the others because they are on an external cavity wall.

If these cracks are cause for concern, what is the easiest way to chip the render off without damaging the surrounding solid render?

u/biggest_kid — 1 month ago

Non-compliant plumbing work - stressful situation

Hi guys,

Currently in the middle of a full bathroom gut and reno in WA, and the licensed plumber has:

  • Run a new waste pipe for the new double shower.
  • Run new copper pipes from the old bath lines for the double shower head and in-wall mixers (water pressure tested as sufficient).
  • Run new copper pipe from the old single shower to the new second vanity.

The bathroom is a suspended concrete slab on the second floor, and the shower wall is internal single brick, with external bathroom walls as cavity double bricks.

While quoting my tiler noted he could see some exposed copper pipe through the mud the plumber put in the wall, so I pulled a small chunk of his concrete out of a chase and sure enough he hasn’t lagged any of the copper pipe <- non-compliant. He has also used a reducer on the shower trap to go from 80mm to 50mm which has put a lip inside the shower waste pipe.

He has come off existing copper pipes in the walls, and I am thinking none of these existing pipes are lagged either, and are likely as old as the house (1995). I think this because when I pulled the bath out it exposed a small hole in the wall and I could see a copper pipe which I am assuming was feeding the existing single vanity.

I called him to speak to him about this and he told me not to worry about it, copper pipes dont need lagging and to just go ahead with the tiling. The conversation was getting tense so I ended the call while it was still civil. I have had 2 other plumbers look at the job to quote for rectifying the work, and both commented how average the quality of work was.

Speaking with my partner our options are to:

  1. Call him and ask him to come back and rectify, but we don’t really want him in our house again.
  2. Try and get a refund ($5000) from him and get another plumber to rip it all out and redo the work. I strongly suspect he will not want to give us any money back.
  3. Just cop it ourselves and pay another plumber to redo it all.

Unfortunately the plumbing licensing boards’ default resolution in this situation is to get the original plumber to come back and rectify, which is absolutely not the option we want here. We would not feel comfortable having him working in our house again.

What would you do in this situation? We are fairly stressed about this, we paid this guy $5k to do this work, I feel like expecting compliant work from a licensed tradie is the bare minimum and is not an unreasonable expectation. Or do we just forget about it, as he would only be fixing his original work anyway, and seeing as there are probably other unlagged pipe lengths in this bathroom. I mean what if we go to all the effort of having this ripped out and redone, only for one of the older pipes to develop a leak anyway?

Any advice on this stressful situation is much appreciated.

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u/biggest_kid — 1 month ago

Easiest way to remove plaster from rendered wall before tiling?

As the title says, I need to remove the paint and plaster from the brick wall before tiling, what is the easiest way to do it without damaging the render underneath?

Was looking to hire a grinder with dust shroud and H class extractor, but was thinking the double row grinding cup might chew into the render quite a bit?

The whiteset plaster looks like it is only about 1mm thick.

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u/biggest_kid — 1 month ago

Tiler has asked for villaboard cladding for entire wall - is it necessary?

Hey guys,

Just after some second opinions here.

So my plumber was in a rush when he was doing the rough ins for my bathroom reno and has not chased this copper pipe into the brick wall completely. It is probably sitting maybe 1-2mm proud? Call it 3mm once I remove the whiteset plaster from the walls before tiling.

I did not notice this until the tiler came out for his quote. As we are having subway tiles in running bond pattern put on the wall he said he needs it perfectly level and has asked for the entire 1900x1500 wall to be sheeted in villaboard.

I’m just wondering if this is completely necessary or is he being a bit dramatic?

  • I can’t lose any depth in the shower by installing battens + villaboard, so would have to dry line it with plugs and screws. But if I did that then I can’t see the villaboard sitting flat over that bit of copper anyway.
  • Or is it worth asking the plumber to come back and redo the job properly? His cement is well and truly set now so I can’t imagine that would be an easy job.
  • Or can this sort of bump just be dealt with by the thickness of the tile adhesive?

Not really sure on the best way to deal with this and with the tiler due to come out 10th August need to get onto it asap.

u/biggest_kid — 2 months ago

Certificate of compliance required for waterproofing in WA?

Hey guys,

Have been doing some research on this and have asked a bunch of tilers and even some professional waterproofers (non-tilers) and cannot get a consistent answer for this, it seems to be a bit of a grey area.

From what I have read, a certificate of compliance for waterproofing is not legally required in WA. Any waterproofing work done however, IS legally required to comply with AS3740. So my first question is, if there is no official legal document stating my waterproofing is compliant to AS3740, how can the installer prove to me that it is? I just take his word for it? And then how can I prove that to an insurance company/real estate agent/solicitor?

Second question, if my tiler does the waterproofing, and in a few years time I have some issues with water leaks, is he legally obligated to return and rectify the issue? Does this change whether I have that piece of paper or not?

The only two people who told me they would issue a certificate of compliance were dedicated waterproofing professionals (non-tilers). I have had family and friends say that it is not a good idea to have separate companies doing the waterproofing and the tiling. They have said people who do this and have issues with their waterproofing will just have the waterproofer claiming the tiler damaged the membrane during install, and the tiler claiming the waterproofing was not installed properly. So third question, is this a valid concern?

My bathroom has a few high risk potential failure points in it (different material junctions/transitions resulting in internal angles etc) so I would like to get this right for peace of mind.

Appreciate any advice.

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u/biggest_kid — 3 months ago

Raising shower floor 80mm - screed or subfloor frame

Hi guys,

Due to an unfortunate plumbing situation, my plumber could not lower the waste trap for the new shower any further into the floor, so the shower floor will have to be raised approx 80mm, possibly up to 100mm to get the right fall.

This will all be behind a brick hob and nib walls, so was wondering what is the best way to do this?

Using a 80-100mm thick screeded slab? Or should I build a timber subfloor frame and sheet with villaboard?

If I should frame it:

  1. What timber would you use given the timber will be sitting on a second story concrete slab? Is rising damp an issue in a second story slab?
  2. What layout should I use for the timber? A standard box/ladder frame configuration?
  3. How would you fix the timber frame to the slab?
  4. How would I ensure the villaboard sheeting has the correct fall to the drain?
  5. What thickness villaboard should I use for sheeting?

Cheers for any advice.

u/biggest_kid — 3 months ago

Hi there,

Currently trying to work how best to approach this situation.

Have some brick nib walls that need to be tiled. I will also be building an arched stud frame over the top which will be sheeted with villaboard.

The brick nibs are 110mm wide. I was planning on using 120mm studs and sheeting with 6mm villaboard either side, giving me about 11mm of overhang on each side of the brick wall. I was told by multiple tradies that render is typically about 10mm thick so figured the plasterer could just run his render up to and flush with the villaboard. I noticed the render that has been removed from where the nibs attach to the main walls is about 10mm thick.

Have been in touch with a plasterer who told me he would render this wall with beads and control joints to ensure no cracking of tiles or grout. But he said the render will only be 3-4mm thick, and that if I overhang the timber by 10mm it will take two coats and two visits to site.

So now I am a bit confused on how to proceed from here. Any advice?

u/biggest_kid — 4 months ago
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Hi,

Just chasing some opinions on some designs my draftsman has done up for a small rear garage extension to act as a bit of a workshop.

He has the roof sloping to the property boundary, and although it is only at 2 degrees over 3.6m that will be roughly a 130mm difference in height between the house side of the roof and boundary side of the roof. I was concerned this may look a little out of place with three different roof lines visible all at different pitches, these being the existing garage gable, the roof over the bay window, and the new extension roof.

I can ask him to change the design so it slopes 2 degrees towards the rear of the property and is level from right to left.

I may be overthinking this for a simple and relatively small extension, but I just don’t want it to look like a tacky, ramshackle add on, which I’m worried it might with it sloping towards the property boundary.

What do you guys think?

u/biggest_kid — 4 months ago