u/bluestargreenmoon

this idea initially spawned from how in the frights Books, the objects Jake and Andrew possessed seemed to be completely inert when Phineas got them, and Jake doesn’t even remember a single thing before he woke up as the stitchwraith, not even that the stitchwraith killed Phineas, because otherwise I doubt he wouldve went ahead and touched the guy unloading the truck. Andrew also seems the to barely remember what happened to him after Fetch broke down in a storm.

and in the epilogues, the stitchwraith only turns on after Phineas puts enough emotional energy into the endo Jake and Andrew are attached to. Which implies that this helped to ‘awaken‘ the two.

we also see with William that a spirit can use agony as their own strength, since William gathers all the agony imbued onieces in Phineas’ lab, and Eleanor, an agony being, supplied him with a majority of his power there, the agony.

So that’s one instance of it, but I think we see something similar in the games too, mainly in SL.

Dialogue from the workers on night 4 implies that the funtimes break down often, weird often, and that when This happens they’re brought to the scooping room, presumably to get fixed.

while most people think that the funtimes breaking down happens whenever they grab and kill a child, and that the scooper is meant to extract that remnant.

im of the belief that this it’s the opposite, that the scooper is specifically injecting them with remnant to ‘empower’ them, revitalizing the MCI spirits inside them.

i think what happened is that the MCI were probably brought to life inside the costumes around Fnaf 2 due to multiple reasons, but as for why this happened, I think it was thanks to the agony of the DCI.

in the games I think the MCI managed to keep going due to them killing a few nightgaurds and ralph before the place closed By years end, and before they fully ran out of power, William took their endos and brought them to CBEAR.

and i think the implication in the games is that SL, Fnaf 3, and FFPS happen soon after each other, so the spirits would probably have enough time to last until FFPS.

and this could be a stretch, but I think molten Freddy’s eye could indicate how much power they have left. in the alleyway shot it’s yellow, when they jumpscar Micheal the salvage minigame it’s orange, and in the vents it’s red. I think the progression of yellow to red could be seen as indicating the energy is running dry.

I think this detail could also explain why William made the Shreddy fazchair in the fnaf 1 movie, I think it was to keep the MCI’s spirits revitalized with Agony. And I think that’s why they just seem to power down and seemingly move on in the second movie, they haven’t been given any agony to power them, so their last stand to protect Abby took the last of their strength, and thus, they powered down. (though you could argue that the power drain security system at the first location was at the second location too, but that doesnt explain why the GF kid suddenly loses the strength to hold William back)

The only continuity I’m not sure about this rule existing in is the novels, though we don’t really see What william did with the MCI before the events of the story there.

that’s about it I think, i hope this idea makes a decent amount of sense.

so starting off, HW curse of Dreadbear sorta hints that the withereds were there since the DLC heavily shows them off on the title screen.

along with vaugely implying the rest of the nightmare animatronics were involved with how they’re fully introduced into the game with Curse of dreadbear, along with Grimm foxy being a flaming version of nightmare foxy.

and in HW2 it’s implied the toys were also there thanks to the carousel level.

and there’s an image of the freddy and friend’s on tour characters at a fallfest

and that possibly even the rockstars were there thanks to carnie being heavily associated with lefty and a fallfest attraction.

literally the only groups that hasn't been associated with fallfest is the funtimes and the phantoms.

So after the bite of 83 and CCs death, I believe William concocted some sort of plan starting with the nightmare chambers.

so I think it’s around 1984-5 when William finishes making the bunker for Circus baby’s pizza world, specifically to make the fnaf 4 testing chambers. and I think the funtimes were just meant to kidnap children for the bunker.

at this stage I think William was most likely trying to research agony, since Dittophobia implies the nightmare rooms were meant to research fear. and I think he specifically intended to try and recreate something that probably happened with CC.

but before he could’ve done literally anything with that, Elizabeth died and possessed Circus baby in 1985 January 7th, and I think this made William pivot into trying out this form of possession, and commit the MCI, finishing it around june 26 by luring the last two kids before he was caught, but let go due to lack of evidence.

from what Toy chica’s highschool years implies, William was specifically trying to find ‘the special one’ but none of the MCI, nor even Charlie, gave him what he was looking for in the end, so the MCI was a complete failure in his eyes.

when the Fnaf 2 location opened up, I believe he started working there in secret and decided to go back to the agony idea, mainly by killing the DCI and having their agony infect the building instead of having them directly possess the toys, even going so far as to try and stop Gabriel and charlie from helping them. but before he could watch the results he was found out and ran away before they could find him.

however, his plan worked, some part of CC was ‘awakened’ by the agony in the location, thus causing the bite of 87.

agony being the key here is hunted with the shadow animatronics in fnaf 3, in the minigames most of them seem to be heavily affected by CCs memories.

I think shadow freddy in particular is a manifestation of this, and is crucial to whatever is going on with CC.

i also think MM happened at some point around here, either before or after Fnaf 2 and William put Micheal in the nightmare chambers as a punishment. if it’s before then I think something happened with the nightmare chambers that made William go back to the agony idea.

I’m not sure when this happens, but I think William at some point uses Elizabeth to figure out what exactly happened with CCs soul, mainly how it became ‘broken’. I think he came up with the scooper to see if removing bits of metal from a haunted robot and putting it into other robots could achieve what seemingly happened in Fnaf 2, essentially creating an artificial soul shattering, and I think this is how William found how this works. And probably thinks happened with CC, that parts of him are in all of the animatronics.

I will also add that I think William disguised his experiments as just maintenance, since SL implies that the funtimes breakdown frequently and need to get scooped to ‘fix‘ it. so I think he set up a system for his employees at Afton robotics to follow, where if the funtimes breakdown, they’re to use the scooper on them, knowingly injecting Elizabeth’s remnant into them.

I think william sent Micheal to the Fnaf 1 location to try and steal parts of the animatronics, hell, maybe william used the nightmare chambers to train Michael for this (because the bedroom really feels like it’s based off the Fnaf 1 location, with the kitchen area really only making sense As a link to fnaf 1) because at that point William couldn’t pull the same stunt he did in fnaf 2. But before Micheal could really do anything he was fired.

with that set up, I think William decided to wait until the place closed down before going in himself, aka follow me, with the help of Shadow freddy. I think he sets up an automated message for Micheal to find in case he died during the process. “Father, I did it, I found it. It was right where you said it would be” these lines from Michael make it seem like William only gave him directions to where the bunker was, which is odd, why couldn’t the man just show Micheal where CBEAR was? Or just hire his own son to work at HIS company? from how this sounds, micheal was moreso infiltrating CBEAR, which doesn’t make any sense if William is still around.

I think this why Scott added the implication that William went missing in Micheal’s monologue.

this is why I think William‘s message to Micheal was a pre recording he prepared in case he died. I think William planned that, if he were to die, he’d ask micheal to at least put Elizabeth back together in case he failed.

i think William doesn’t mention putting CC back together because, if he fails to do Follow me and get ALL of the MCI’s remnant, then CC wouldn't be fixable with what’s at CBEAR.

and regarding why would William inject the MCI’s remnant into all of the funtimes instead of just one, I don’t think that was his intention actually. I think what happened is was William managed to melt down all the endos for the scooper, but before he could finish, he died. And since their boss went missing, the workers at Cbear just kept doing what William had them doing back when he Probably his what he was doing with Remnant, using the scooper on the funtimes whenever they broke down, unknowingly injecting each of them with the MCI’s and Elizabeth’s remnant for who knows how long before Micheal arrived.

Back to follow me, and as we see, William fails and dies, and I think William then goes ahead and talks to CC in fnaf world, and sets up clues for CC to finally get all his pieces.

I do think there’s evidence William Failed to get all of CCs parts, mainly because the series seems to heavily indicate that CC is only able to be put back together at the fnaf 3 location. Fnaf world sets up things we see in fnaf 3, and the teaser for the Halloween update has “he put the pieces back together“ in the code. and the logbook seemingly shows Cassidy and Micheal helping CC around the time of Fnaf 3.

and by FFPS, CC seems to’ve come back finally as Molten Freddy.

thats about everything I think.

i haven’t read all the books fully, but from what I remember Eleanor essentially replaced people’s bodies with scrap metal to seemingly steal their identities.

and this was later implied to’ve caused ‘one person’ to bleed in the ball pit over the course of 30 YEARS every time she specifically pulled this stunt.

and Jake discovers that there’s actually a bunch of Souls of a bunch of people inside the ballpit

this feels like such a strange plot point, especially since Detective larsen uses the ballpit to essentially find Eleanor in multiple time periods again and again. and I think it’s sorta implied every time perked he appeared in was when Eleanor pulled the “tadaah! you’re scrap metal!“ trick.

but like... why is she doing this? what’s with the blood?

and why is she seemingly bringing a bunch of random people‘s souls into the ballpit? how did she do that? is the ballpit her nest or something? is she using the human souls as idle sustenance? agony farming?

i could go into ITP and RTTP too but bluegh that’s too messy.

i remembered how Elizabeth was seemingly able to See and go through Henry’s memories just through the emotional energy he put into the robot she possessed, and knew what he did and felt.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone discuss this, do you guys think any soul could do this? being able to see the memories carried by emotional energy?

also the novel from what I remember also had it stated that Elizabeth was also affected by Henry’s rage as he built the robot, so it seems like Agony/emotional energy can even affect how spirits act too, so maybe this could be a possible explanation for how Godvictim could work.

what do you guys think?

since the fnaf 2 movie has shown that spirits can possess a person, it made me think of Fnaf world and how it has spooky eyes imply that CC is meant to see the fnaf 3 clues and use them to put himself back together.

but with how Fnaf 3 is shown, it’s heavily implied that Micheal/us is the one doing it. Since it’s implied that the protagonist is seeing the follow me minigames and doing what the clues suggest. It only really makes sense if the protagonist is the one doing them. so there’s a contradiction seemingly, however I think there’s two ways to ‘solve’ this, one being Ennard gaurd, or another idea being that CC is controlling Micheal in some way.

what do you think of this idea? I’m asking since… I have another very silly idea in the works.