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Why does Scott keep returning to nightmare chambers? What importance do they have for lore?

I feel like many in this fandom, including myself, completely subconsciously sideline the experiments from the lore. I don't see it very much used in theories, nor that many people are bothered by it much.

I myself dislike its entire concept since I love FNaF 4 as a purely Michael's personal nightmare from FNaF 1 & 3 PTSD. But, they are canon. And of course, they were initially used in SL to debunk Dream Theory (I think it was just Scott pushing it too hard and making even that one game in tetralogy that is actually nightmare have its counterpart in reality). But after SL, Scott returned to them again, twice. Nightmare Freddy references it in UCN, and Scott made an entire book, Dittophobia, detailing over these experiments. So, the question is: why? What’s the actual importance? Why did William build them? When? Did he succeed in his goal? What happened?

This is also why I think Unwithered Truth's CassidyExperiments theory is so charming, since it’s the only theory that gives them a good explanation and purpose in the lore, at least out of ones that I'm aware of.

u/TheOrangeGuy09 — 4 hours ago

Just throwin this out here

MikeDayshift has been making the rounds and people are ofc judging if you don't believe the same thing as them but anyway.

So.... what do we make of this under that?

u/Bearkat1999 — 6 hours ago

Who the hell are the kids from FNAF 6 ending ??

SO. We know the color theories of fnaf are really important. After the true ending of FNAF 6, there is this image of 4 kids with a Freddy.

Who are they ? I know they could be some random children, but somehow this images sticks with me. The fact that there are a younger and older purple brother make me think about the Afton family.

Henry also has been flagged as orange, so maybe it's his children ? Do we know he had a boy??

What the hell ?

Maybe i'm overthinking but we know Scott left everything on purpose after FNAF 4 / Sister's location (where he knew what to do with the franchise).

Also, the kid on the left bottom corner is SO SPOOKY.

He made me think about Cassidy, but i don't think they are related.

Any idea ? Thanks a lot

u/ResponsibilityIll177 — 8 hours ago

Withered Golden Freddy is a projection. The physical suit is in the parts & service room

I forgot to mention that Withered Golden Freddy being a projection made by the BV is possible aswell, especially under BVMCIFriends.

What do you think?

u/funstarrr__ — 5 hours ago
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Odd find: the “my name” starting the Cassidy puzzle in Mike’s arrow may just be Michael writing the phrase while every other use is actually from faded

For context, faded seems to mainly write in black while this page has faded’s phrase but in red, heavily implying this is Michael. Take this as you will since I feel like there’s many ways to interpret this but I just wanted to point that out

u/Not_Edwin_Murray — 12 hours ago

My position on WillCare

My take was that William was never really a good person. He was a narcissist, had latent sociopathic tendencies, and was a cutthroat ruthless businessman. However, he was someone who had largely learned to suppress his worst side, who was a loving-if-distant presence in his children's lives. I tend to think BV (Evan, Dave, whatever you want to call him) was the favorite, with William having a far less close relationship with Mike, possibly because Mike reminded him of his own worse traits. This led Mike to lash out at his sibling, bullying him, which William, an older man, approached with a very "boys will be boys" attitude, and, as William got more and more involved in the business, he grew more and more distant from his family, which left Mike often with babysitting duty. This led to the bullying getting worse, cultimating in ya know what, which led Afton to become outright physically abusive to Mike as a way of taking out his anger, and then Afton giving in to rage and resentment and grief to drunkenly murder Charlotte in a back alley. And that awoke the darker side of him that he'd tried to keep underwraps. You never know what hobbies you might enjoy, when you give them a shot...Once he learned of Remnant, he latched onto the idea of bringing back his son as a way to justify his killings, but, in truth, he had come to enjoy it and that was just a thin figleaf to pretend he wasn't a monster.

TLDR: William Afton was a narcissist-with-sociopathic-tendencies, a neglectful-but-likely-not-outright-abusive-father, and a ruthless businessman, but did love at least one of his children, only to go skiing down the slippery slope after the Bite. I don't think this in any way justifies his actions, if anything, it makes it a bit worse, in my mind, if Afton was once someone with the potential to be a decent or at least FUNCTIONAL member of society, but chose to give in to his worst impulses and become a murderous abusive scumbag. He didn't have to be this way.

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u/woweed — 5 hours ago

What Are Your Answers and Beliefs to these Questions? (Third Revision)

1.) Who is the Fright Guard?

2.) Who is TOYSNHK/VS?

3.) When does SL take place?

4.) Who died first—BV or Charlie?

5.) When does FNaF 3 take place

6.) Does remnant have regenerating or healing capabilities?

7.) When does the Survival Logbook take place?

8.) When does FNaF 4 take place?

9.) Who is Fritz Smith?

10.) Is UCN Hell, a nightmare, or an arcade?

11.) Is FNaF World canon?

12.) Who is the birthday in HD for—BV or Cassidy?

13.) Why is BV scared of the animatronics?

14.) When does Follow Me take place?

15.) When did Charlie Die?

16.) Why did Mike/FoxyBro bully BV?

17.) In Midnight Motorist, who‘s the runaway kid and who‘s the person watching TV?

18.) Who is the CEO of Fazbear Entertainment after FFPS?

19.) Why did Mike apply to the FNaF 1 location?

20.) Is Greg a robot?

21.) is Cassie’s dad the Bonnie Bully?

22.) Which SotM ending is canon?

23.) Did Mike survive the FFPS fire?

24.) Did William kill Susie’s dog?

25.) Who was the FFPS job meant for—Was it meant for someone random but Mike got it, or was it vice versa?

26.) Who caused the Bite of ‘87?

27.) Under Logbook3/LogbookFNaF3, Was the Survival Logbook found by the Fazbear Frights crew, or did they make it?

28.) Was Mike and/or BV trapped in the FNAF 4 experiments? If only one of them were, then who was it?

29.) Who was behind Happiest Day?

30.) Who’s in Molten Freddy (Molten MCI, Alter-S, or Alter-M)

31.) Which FNaF 3 ending is canon?

32.) What is BV’s real name?

33.) Who is the FNaF 4 dreamer?

34.) In FNaF 1, why is Golden Freddy is saying ‘IT’S ME?’

35.) Is the FNaF 1 location the MCI location/Location0?

36.) Who possesses Golden Freddy?

Here are my answers.

  1. 100% Mike. The Logbook has all of the evidence.
  2. Cassidy, if not then BV or the GOAT Gabriel.
  3. After FNaF 1 and FOLLOW ME. SL likely takes place from the mid-late 90s to the mid 2000s.
  4. Probably BV.
  5. Definitely in mid-late October. For the years, I’m torn between 2015, 2017, and 2023 (but mainly 2015 and 2023).
  6. Probably only has healing capabilities.
  7. Around the same time as FNaF 3.
  8. Same time as the Logbook/FNaF 3
  9. Doesn’t really matter too much, but probably yea because of ‘Four games. One story.’ And also the weird connections that pop up when you look into it
  10. Probably Hell
  11. Likely, as it has references to FNAF 3 and 4
  12. Probably Cassidy. BV is a really close second tho.
  13. Either from Mike, his dad, or that one scene in the minigames where William is putting on a Springlock suit for a performer to wear, and BV interpreted it as Willy stuffing someone into an aniamtronic.
  14. After FNaF 1 but before SL, either in the mid-late 90s to mid 2000s.
  15. 1983
  16. Negligence from his dad. We know William didn’t love Mike and only saw him as an ‘easily manipulative tool.’
  17. Mike‘s definitely the runaway kid as it’s after BV and Charlie’s death. The TV person could be Mrs. Afton.
  18. idk
  19. Free pizza, and money. Could’ve also been under William’s orders or he was investigating.
  20. fuck no
  21. Pretty much
  22. idk, probably the one where MCM is on fire.
  23. No
  24. Probaly
  25. It was meant for a random person but Mike got it.
  26. Mangle or Foxy
  27. They probably made it.
  28. They both were at one point.
  29. The FNaF World player.
  30. Probably all 5 of them (6 if BV is in GF)
  31. Probably the good ending. The MCI spirits don’t seem ti be around post UCN
  32. David/Dave, with the latter simply being a nickname
  33. Definitely Mike thanks to the Logbook
  34. Likely because they think Mike is Willy.
  35. Yes, as their whole thing was being on a budget.
  36. G O L D E N D U O
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u/AppropriateYam8132 — 13 hours ago

I Finished CH6 Of The Silver Eyes, Let's Have A Random Discussion About The Hallucinations.

So what do you guys believe about the hallucinations we encounter through the games... and i mean anything from the first 3 games, the endo looking at us, drawings changing, stuff appears in front of us.

Do you think this is a power only the MCI have, or any supernatural entity can do it (DCI, puppet and springtrap)... or do you think it's not related to the dead people at all.

Let me know what you think.

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u/sanstaleyy — 9 hours ago

Since we know, burn trap was supposed to never move. Who do you think was the final boss in Scott’s original vision for security breach?

I actually think it’s probably most likely glamrock Freddy
I think the plot point of him getting the parts of the others was Scott’s idea it was supposed to set up
Glitchtrap taking control over him

u/Friendly-Might5181 — 13 hours ago
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What’s in the fnaf 4 box?

Incriminating evidence that both Michael and William buried away. Murder weapons, trophies, fake IDs, etc. This would explain why there is an answer but not specific or consistent enough.

Nobody talks about how the box has two locks suggesting co-owners. I believe William set it up as a leverage play over Michael. It’s no secret Michael was an accomplice. The extent remains unclear however I believe Michael was more involved than fans are ready to accept. I’m talking MCI and Charlotte Emily stuff. In his only cutscene, Michael talks about how the possessed funtimes didn’t recognize him. He didn’t sound like a guy who just made the most gruesome and disturbing discovery. He knew all along just like movie Vanessa. Their sins remained forgotten in that box until he revisited it decades later where he finally freed the souls of CC and his father’s victims via Happiest Day.

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u/No-Fuel6295 — 19 hours ago

What do you think of this theory?

Basically, the theory is that Edwin is behind Fazbear fright
Basically, as a sort of revenge him taking the opportunity to make fun of Fazbear entertainment failures

The main evidence for this of course is the dreaded RND fnaf 3 map

I personally like this idea

u/Friendly-Might5181 — 1 day ago

I may have found something on Scott’s new post.

I could be completely wrong and I highly expect that I am but I brightened the new image Scott posted and I see something and don’t know what it is. Maybe you guys do?

u/Fnaf_fnadic — 1 day ago

The FNAF 3 training tapes disprove BVPostMCI

Most of the counter-arguments made by BVPostMCI believers hinge on the idea that the "1985" date given in the books and movies does not necessarily translate to the games, and that the MCI can still take place before the Bite of 83. But there is information inside the games only that can prove that the MCI takes place after the death of the Bite Victim.

The training tapes played in the FNAF 3 phone calls are implied to be played in order of when they get recorded, meaning the events that are implied in them is linearly organized chronologically. Night 2 and 3 talk about how to safely use the springlock suits, but suddenly, in Night 4, the springlock suits are now unfit for use by employees, due to "an unfortunate incident at the sister location involving multiple and simultaneous springlock failures". Because we know that Fredbear was a springlock suit, this means the banning of the springlock suits must happen after the death of the Bite Victim.

Night 5 is where things get interesting. The training tape played this night is reminding all employees about appropriately using the safe rooms, and it make sure to specify that "under no circumstance should a customer ever, be taken into this room, and out of the main show area". We also get clued into the fact "that the Spring Bonnie animatronic has been noticeably moved". With the added fact that Follow Me is likely paralleling the events of the MCI, we know that this tape must be referring to the events of the MCI, and that William likely lured the kids to the safe room before killing them. Night 6 then states that the safe rooms are being sealed, further reenforcing the narrative that these tapes are in chronological order. This means that the MCI has to take place after the banning of the springlock suits, and therefore must happen after the Bite of 83.

You might try to argue that MCISpan could fix this narrative, having William kidnap the first few kids before BV dies, and then using the Spring Bonnie suit for the last ones, but this is disprovable by looking at Susie. In Fruity Maze, we see Susie being lured to the back by William, wearing the Spring Bonnie suit. And because Withered Chica/Susie says "I was the first, I have seen everything" in UCN, this shows that Susie was the first victim of the MCI, possibly the first victim of William. But with the training tapes that we've discussed, we know that she cannot have been killed before BV dies.

All in all, the training tapes from FNAF 3 paint a pretty clear timeline for these events. The springlocks are used, BV dies along with other springlock failures, the springlocks get banned, the MCI happens, and then the safe rooms get sealed. This solidifies that BVPreMCI is the correct interpretation. What do you all think?

u/RazzyAxy — 1 day ago

I don't think that BV is the one who bites Ralph in TWB's 1983 ending anymore

Ralph hears the boy cry on during the Bite of 83 tape, but when he gets bitten, it is a child crying. The change in article usage is a very cut-and-clear implication that the person who bites him is not the same as BV.

I think it can be pretty much any other kid since all of them are influenced by his memories as HDMemories imply, but my personal explanation is that it is Shadow Freddy because I believe he is BV's agony (Shadow Freddy’s broken jaw in FW makes it very clear to me). It being BV’s agony also lines up with the fact that this ending seems to be about indirect haunting (memories of Bo83 being listened by Ralph), so it being indirect haunting through agony which kills him makes sense as well.

u/TheOrangeGuy09 — 1 day ago

Did anyone else know about this message in SL?

I somehow just learned about this. I knew about the maintenance schedule but not this.

If you hold down 1 and 0 in Ballora’s Gallery for about a minute and a half, then press 1, you get a bunch of randomized counters all over the screen with a hidden graphic above a 1/100 chance every 10 seconds for the screen to freeze.

This is that graphic. 8/17/1995

Did anyone else know about this? Couldn’t this be SL’s date? It could take place directly after FNaF1 and work with the timeline.

u/Zazoyd — 1 day ago