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The child on the toy phone is not the Crying Child.

https://preview.redd.it/qd4v7825fuuh1.png?width=1434&format=png&auto=webp&s=4cd006e6b73c9115737e4b3fa395ed8928f203eb

Why do people think that this is BV?

The Idea that Phone owned a toy phone, the fact that it's a crying child and bv is blind in logbook.

Why it can't be?

"He never sees me..." is not same thing as "I can't see". Secondly, under the idea ofthis was a person that used to talk to david then it's can't be BV as BV was likely not born yet. BVBorn76 or BVBorn78 are more likely than any other BV Birth Year Theories, which come after David's death. Also "He never sees me..." can be william but i see more people think that "He never sees me..." means "I can't see".

Other candidates

David

David fits better with it. He has a toy phone, he is a child, and "He" could be Edwin, there is onr big problem with this: The call is come from the other end.

Micheal Afton

Now let's talk about the oddball in the room

Phone - Likely
Child - Likely
Crying - Debatable
"He" - William

Micheal would be a child in the mid 70s, so it fit better time-wise and in fact we seen a game that depicts micheal as a child and that child has a toy phone, FNaF 4.

\"Playing as a child whose role is yet unknown\"

BV's Bedroom is different from the bedroom from fnaf 4 as seen in sl.

https://preview.redd.it/rtvsemokmuuh1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=c908b9af2452f30bfd205b28ad1334b46cd28a3d

Now onto the crying part, an abusive or neglect child would cry.

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u/Comprehensive_Hat_23 — 4 days ago
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Clickteam employee said that FFPS mobile ports mentioning Charlie's name is not from Scott

LB is said to be a username of Nicholas who works for Clickteam on Clickteam website.

I.e., it’s no different from Character Encyclopedia "confirming" BVDreamer. It’s just what Clickteam added either as their own interpretation or for translators. Not to give us lore and confirms names.

Honestly, this should’ve been obvious from the start by the very fact that it was put in comments and only mobile ports and not original PC ones.

u/TheOrangeGuy09 — 5 days ago

William has always been represented by Purple AND Gold, not just purple

Also, I wanted to also say that regardless of AftonMM, William is still very much represented by gold too. It's just that it's heavily implied that William is the Mustard Man, and him being the Mustard Man would further show William's connection to the color gold.

Thoughts on this?

u/Jexvite — 11 days ago

I really like Fredbear Victim, and most of it comes from this small detail.

in the minigames of FNAF 4, you can hear laughing sometimes. The laughing is always consistent to be when foxy bro is around, when you are at home and he is about to Jumpscare you, when you are locked in the parts room, and before the bite of 83 and it stops when it happens.

This is cool because one of Nightmare fredbear main mechanics is his laughter, so it's basically BV throwing that laughter back at his brother mocking him while he is torturing him.

Seriously FNAF 4 is so peak when BV is straight up the one responsible for Mike nightmares, and when it gets mixed with stuff like Mike Guard because Mike is dealing with both his Brother and Father with messed up versions of the springlock suits.

u/sanstaleyy — 11 days ago

What do you guys think Mike’s goal was in fnaf2?

Under the MikeFritz theory. Was he aware of the mci? Why did he tamper the characters in here? Which characters did he tamper with? What was he looking to achieve or get from this? Why do you think he took the position of night guard in here and then does it again like 6-13 years later depending when you believe Fnaf1 takes place.

We know in the first game he was asked to do it by Phone Guy. But in fnaf2 he does it on his first night without being asked.

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u/Curi0usSheep — 10 days ago

What's a FNaF theory you don't like, but is probably the case?

I'm gonna say it again: I do not like GoldenDuo, as I feel it only complicates things, but I feel it's still most likely the case, as much as I wish it was JUST the Bite Victim in Golden Freddy.

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u/Vegetable_Focus_5061 — 11 days ago

Going over each reason (that I'm aware of) for why William is yellow instead of purple in Midnight Motorist, and why they aren't great.

I might've missed some explanations, but these are the ones that I got when I asked about it yesterday here: https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/s/rjRr7DerxQ . If your argument isn't addressed here, feel free to mention it in the comments.

u/Hamsti_Manent — 11 days ago

The Marionette is an item and doesn't have a gender

One gender argument that stuck around with the FNaF fandom is The Marionette.

Obviously, The Marionette is a girl when possessed because it's possessed by Charlie Emily. But what exactly is the gender of the animatronic itself?

UCN refers to The Marionette with "he/him", but the movie and FLaF refer to The Marionette with "she/her". This makes it's gender slightly confusing.

What people often forget when debating it's gender is that The Marionette is actually referred to with "it/it's" most of the time.

I think the answer is simple. The Marionette is genderless because it's an item. People (in-universe and fans) can interpret it's gender however they want, because it just doesn't have a gender.

Multiple sources make it obvious that The Marionette is a "thing" or "item".

In FNaF 2, The Marionette is a security item.

In the movie, The Marionette is an item that directs the animatronics through a wireless signal.

It's very different from the usual animatronics that perform on stage to entertain children. While Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy perform on stage/pirate's cove, The Marionette is an item that directs the animatronics (in the movie) or keeps children from wandering off (in the games).

Now, let's take a look at some moments where The Marionette is referred to with "it/it's" or "thing/item".

https://preview.redd.it/a2z8nxsgcfth1.jpg?width=2087&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=836f710f1c9479a109562de68ecc359eaf93e648

In the FNaF 2 night 2 phone call, Ralph calls The Marionette a"thing". He also refers to The Marionette with"it/it's" multiple times. If The Marionette had a known gender in-universe, i think Ralph would refer to The Marionette with that gender like he does with Foxy.

https://preview.redd.it/1w4e117xcfth1.png?width=1182&format=png&auto=webp&s=af47abe58735254eb67e8f07479780872afd0be4

In the FNaF 2 movie, Vanessa refers to The Marionette with "it/it's" and "thing". Again, If The Marionette had a known gender, it would be a bit weird for people in-universe to keep calling it "it" instead of "her"/"him".

https://preview.redd.it/9ubwuka8dfth1.jpg?width=1467&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eff583bffa9fd3a934caf5eeb19028aea78d51bb

Even the BTS refers to The Marionette with "it/it's", meaning even the producers don't know the gender of the animatronic and just call it an "it".

https://preview.redd.it/ccgkg5pgdfth1.jpg?width=1576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7ab89742ce30946e182729d82b8e4fc0a3e8418

In the official character encyclopedia, which is unfortunately not very reliable, calls The Marionette an "it". It even says The Marionette is an item instead of an animatronic that operates around the pizzeria.

My end conclusion is that The Marionette is an item. It doesn't have a gender. People in-universe and FNaF fans can refer to The Marionette however they want.

I made this post for people who keep "attacking" others for calling The Marionette a "she" or a "him". ^^

u/funstarrr__ — 11 days ago

New flairs

So, I noticed yesterday that there were a couple of comments mentioning that we didn’t have a Theory Rebuttal flair. Basically, that would be for when you want to test or challenge a theory without doing a full-on debunk of it.

I also noticed that we had a Books flair and a Fazbear Frights flair, but we didn’t have individual flairs for each continuity, like the movies or the games, so I added those as well.

I reorganized everything into Theory Flairs, Discussion Flairs, Sources, Timelines, and then Extra Stuff.

If any of the colors are too harsh on the eyes or the text is difficult to see, please let me know. I can always change them.

So yeah, that’s all for today.

u/Puzzleheaded-Win5063 — 11 days ago

What are some conflicting theories you think have an about 50/50 chance of being real?

As in like, both sides have good points and debunks towards one another

For me personally it is MikeRunaway vs BVRunaway, Like lowkey both can work and have good narrative

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u/Cantthinkagoodnam2 — 11 days ago
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Now that we know Monty Killed GlamBonnie. I have question, What was the Motive to do that?

Like there has to be A reason why he did it?

u/Weary_Difficulty_497 — 11 days ago

Changed my mind abt a lot of things, so here's the theories I believe in (WIP) :

There's a whole section called "idk" where there's all the theories that I'm not sure if I believe in or not (when charlie died, the TOYSNHK theories, ....) so this isnt my definitive tier list I still need to add things

u/Tabarnak__ — 10 days ago

(Predictions about Security Breach 2) Who is the New Vanny and what's the canon routes of the latest chronological games in the timeline.

(SOTM doesn't really count here because it's a prequel set in 1979). With SB2 now confirmed who do you think it's the new Vanny (unless it's still Vanessa which would mean either she wasn't freed or the game is going to be a prequel) and what are the canon routes of Security Breach 1, HW 2 and Ruin and why? Write your theories below respectfully (Teaser from Steel Wool, Images from FNAF Theories fan-made wiki)

u/Angel1743RedditGR — 10 days ago
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Theory : Yenndo is BV put back together (I'm serious)

Ok this is gonna be pretty long but I swear it's necessary cause we're gonna be using a lot of elements and thinking for this theory.

I believe in GlitchbearAfton and MikeWorldPlayer (the player representing him) but I just tought of smth of a problem that is only solvable through Yenndo.

1) The context :

In Fnaf SL Micheal implies that helping Baby form Ennard succesfuly made Elizabeth be "put back together" as William asked him to. We even see that Circus Baby acts differently from Scrap Baby in FFPS so overall it seems to imply Elizabeth was shattered between the funtimes (either shattered manually due to William's experiments or shattered since she died) and forming Ennard put her soul back together.

In Fnaf World William tells BV he will put him back together, and while he doesnt return to that to say he ultimately achieved that goal there's that one source code in the teaser for update 2 that says "he put the pieces back together" and in the clock ending he tells BV "the pieces are put in place".

To get that clock ending you need to interact with clocks and complete a minigame that is different for each of them. For 3 of them you have to put things in a square, put pieces in place, for 1 of them you have to push the button that displays the correct code, and for another one you have to push buttons in the correct way.

All of these minigames references the fnaf 3 minigames used to obtain the good ending (excluding HD). What do you do in those minigames ? You give cake to MCI victims found in these minigames to then reunite to give the cake to the 5th MCI victim.

The characters you control in these minigames (excluding HD) are all referenced in fnaf 4 in some way, with things that even seem out of place. Toy Chica with the chica toy missing its beak, Mangle with the mangled toy, Ballon boy with the fat boy holding a balloon, Shadow Bonnie with the purple spring bonnie shadow, Golden Freddy with the Fredbear plush teleporting. Like I said all of these refefences seem out of place, Toy Chica didnt exist back then same for mangle. It's like present memories overlapped some of BV's past memories. Memories that seem to be related to the MCI victims as shown in fnaf 3.

In FFPS there's Molten Freddy, who's a fusion containing the MCI victims and who also seems to represent or even be BV. He's BV put back together. And in fnaf world to put back together BV you're putting pieces back together, puting pieces that were once BV's soul's back onto him. This would mean that pieces of MCI victims' souls that were BV's were used to "repair" BV's soul.

In fnaf world, a weird detail is that there isnt a single clock referencing HD, the minigame related to a BV memory that is linked to the 5th MCI soul who possesses Golden Freddy. But even without that, BV is still put back together. This makes a lot of sense under GoldenDuo : BV shares Golden Freddy with a MCI victim so they're already linked. And if we go even further, if pieces of souls were linked to BV himself it can be traducted physically to fusing animatronic parts with Golden Freddy.

But there's a problem : Molten Freddy is Ennard after Elizabeth left, so if he was BV put back together why didnt Micheal or William talk about also puting back together both of them (BV and Elizabeth) in Fnaf SL ? And how does Golden Freddy comes in this ?

2) Yenndo is the key

There's that one source code teaser where we could see Elizabeth and the MCI victims arguing about kicking her out, but smth weird is that it isnt each of the MCI kids or only one of them talking to her, it seems like it's an entity made from a fusion of them who's talking, kinda like a Steven Universe fusion yk. If inside Ennard, who's a fusion, there's Elizabeth and another fusion made from the MCI victims then that could mean that this fusion came from prior the fusion that lead to Ennard.

Weirdly, there is a mysterious animatronic in Fnaf sl who seems to be a sort of modified version of Golden Freddy : Yenndo. Yenndo is BV put back together.

But another problem : If Yenndo is BV put back together, why did William abandon him underground ? Wasnt reuniting his family in a twisted way his goal as Scrap Baby says in FFPS ? And why would he be part of Ennard if the goal of Ennard was to put back together Elizabeth ?

Yenndo has funtime technology added. Since William used the scooper to destroy animatronics he could have used parts found on a funtime animatronic that had a part of Elizabeth's soul linked to to add to Yenndo.

You could say "is he dumb ? Why did he add part of animatronics that were linked to Elizabeth's soul onto Yenndo if he wanted to put her back together ?"

If we check what William did and discover : from late 1983/1984 to 1985 he experimented on agony/fear, in 1985 he built CBPW to have more subjects (implying before he used his kids or likely only Micheal for his experiments) but it lead to Elizabeth dying. Then later in 1985 he tries to replicate her death with 5 kids by doing the MCI and he learns about possession. In 1987 he does the DCI to learn more about possession and when seeing it has an effect on the withereds and Puppet, he angers them even more leading to the bite of 87, likely to study the effect a soul can have on an animatronic if it has strong emotions like anger. We also know that after CBPW closed it returned as CBEAR, used by William to study remnant by transforming the funtimes that were used to contain kids into remnant containers. CBEAR was used for his experiments, post 1985. That means Yenndo must have been created between 1985 and fnaf SL, but where are the prooves of that ?

Yk how, in Fnaf World, the player helps Glitchbear put BV back together right ? In the games William is said to tamper as a dayshift security guard with the animatronics during the days Jeremy is the nightguard. Then after the animatronics are said to become dangerous William leaves the company and Micheal starts working as a nightguard and gets fired for tampering with the animatronics. Then there's fnaf 1 where Michael also gets fired for tampering with the animatronics. Fnaf 2 is in 1987, fnaf 1 is in the 1990s. It's between 1985 and fnaf SL.

By tampering with the animatronics, William could have been trying to take pieces of them to put back together BV, and when he saw it was getting too dangerous for him he sent his son to do the job.

Between fnaf 1 and fnaf sl there's nothing that implies Michael worked at a pizzeria to tamper with animatronics. Maybe because William got everything he needed to put back together BV after fnaf 1. That would mean that he started to "worry" about Elizabeth and sent Michael to put her back together around the time he was done puting back together BV. That's why he didnt care about mixing parts coming from Baby, it's only after he was done with BV that he got interested to Elizabeth's case.

And.... that's it. Tell me in comments what you think about that.

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u/Tabarnak__ — 13 days ago