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How do missing children kill nightguards?

I can't imagine how a normal kid would be able to kill someone on purpose. They're kids after all. Even most of the adults wouldn't want to do that. So how? I've seen an axplanation that they aren't really aware of what they're doing and it's the only that makes sense for me

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u/Evening-Program723 — 10 hours ago

Na opinião de vocês por que o dci acontecer

O mci temos a explicação séria o William replicando a tragédia da Elizabeth

A morte da Charlie talvez seja inverja assim como nos romances

Só que o dci não tem explicação ele nunca vai buscar os endoskeletons dos toys assim como ele fez com os clássicos essa tragédia nem aconteceu em outros universos como nos filmes e nos romances, então na opinião de vocês por que William fez o dci acontecer.

u/TouristCareful5685 — 9 hours ago
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First theory video, kinda nervous

Something I’ll initially admit is that the quality of this video is really bad. There are things I already wished I could do better in post production related to the script. There were a few lines taken out which make some parts just feel… out of place I guess you could say? I love this franchise and want to express my input more, I hope we can be in the same page with that. Enjoy the video, although I won’t be surprised if you don’t LMAO

https://youtu.be/mBTxbqZ-OkY?si=3Uza9HUwUSLHJmpo

u/Unbutteredcomedy — 12 hours ago

Which William has the highest kill count? (Outside the MCI and Charlie)

Since every William has the MCI and Charlie. Who do you think has the highest kill count outside of the 6?

Games (~5+):

  • DCI/DTI (5-6)
  • Maybe Fiona and David
  • Maybe Andrew
  • Extra kids from the Funtimes.

Doesn't seem to start killing until after the bite in 1983

However if WillHeartless is canon that means he did kill kids before 1983 like the movies

Books (5):

  • Officer Dunn
  • Unnamed Man - Killed by Twisted Freddy, Twisted Bonnie or Twisted Wolf.
  • Tracy Horton - Killed by Twisted Freddy, Twisted Bonnie or Twisted Wolf.
  • Unnamed Woman - Killed by Twisted Freddy, Twisted Bonnie or Twisted Wolf.
  • Unnamed Man - Killed by Twisted Freddy, Twisted Bonnie or Twisted Wolf.

Nothing to prove William killed before Charlie's death

Movies (1+):

  • Garret
  • Seems to know how to kill before Charlie's death (KillerPreCharlie)
    • This means he has the chance to kill more people before the 80's like WillHeartless
  • Extra kids from Circus Baby

So I guess depending on if WillHeartless is canon or how William acts in the movies (FNAF 3 movie should give us more history)

The games has the highest kill count so far

u/Puzzleheaded-Win5063 — 12 hours ago

Scott made up the lore as he went; the first two games already contradicted eachother.

My theory is that fnaf never had such a thing as a constent cannon lore; even at the very beginning Scott was already rewriting it with each new game.

The earliest example I could find of it is this: in fnaf 1, the posters which we first found out about the MCI from say it happened at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza and that the bodies were put shoved inside the animatronics there which caused them to smell.

In fnaf 2, we found out from phone guy that the old animatronics were brought from the "old location" and that they already had the kids bodies inside of them at that point (because he complained about their smell); so far so good. But then in another phone call with him in the same game we find out that the previous location was called Fredbear's Family Diner, which already makes no sense with the posters from FNAF 1.

And then, as the last nail in the coffin, in the ending of fnaf 2 we find out that Freddy Fazbear's Pizza is the new fnaf 2 location which contradicts the fnaf 1 posters even further.

I can already see some die-hard fnaf lore fans try to explain this contradiction with some insane theory about animatronics being moved back and forth between locations like they always did with any contradiction that new fnaf games had with previous ones.

After nearly 12 years of riddles and theories it's time we finally come to terms with the truth about fnaf lore and move on: FNAF LORE WAS NEVER CONSISTENT. I know this is unpleasant to hear, but as I just showed we could see signs of this early on and it olnly got worse as it went. I myself used to love fnaf lore and watch theory videos for hours, but I can no longer deny the facts: the franchise never had a consistent lore; it was being improvised and redconned by Scott with each new game and because of that, there's no use in trying to make sense of it.

u/Most-Cartoonist9790 — 14 hours ago

What is a ringmaster rat?

In the game, ringmaster was the original design Mr. helpful before it was changed?
However, he still exists in the game and has his cut out
So what does he represent?

Well, my theory is that he’s supposed to be what Edwin’s dad used to use to represent himself
He does have the mustache kind of and when Edwin made helpful his dad was still alive and still the owner of the company

TLDR:
Ring master rat is what Edwin’s dad represented himself as before Edwin took over.

u/Friendly-Might5181 — 13 hours ago

Are phantomsagony and shadowsagony confirmed "theories" or just heavily implied theories?

Need to know if i should put them in the "confirmed" category or "very likely" category.

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u/funstarrr__ — 12 hours ago

MurrayMatrix Theory: Afton and Henry Are Not Who You Think, and Edwin May Have Had Two Children

It’s been almost a year since the release of SOTM, and it’s easily the most twisted game in the entire franchise. It completely changes the way we look at every event that happened across FNaF.
I honestly doubt we’ve even understood half of what Scott was trying to tell us through this game but… let’s not expect too much from this fandom 😅

One of the things that still won’t leave my head is the similarity between the character we’ve known so far as William Afton (even though technically we only officially learned his initials, W.A.), Henry, and Edwin.
Every single one of these characters has almost the exact same story repeating itself over and over again.
At first glance it could just seem like coincidence, or maybe Afton intentionally recreating the same cycle… but what if someone else is actually pulling the strings?

To understand what I mean, we need to dive into the nature of the Cradle System, or if you prefer, F10-N4 (rearrange the letters and you get 4F10N).

The story of Cradle is familiar to all of us, but I feel like it’s still being interpreted completely wrong.
We also need to remember one basic fact: MACHINES DO NOT FEEL EMOTIONS. They execute commands.
So after Fiona’s death, a devastated Edwin decided to create a disabled caretaker for David, one that essentially took Fiona’s role. But the command he gave that machine may have shaped the fate of the entire franchise.

Yes. I genuinely think that the moment M1 was given its purpose, we created EVERY future event in FNaF.

“Keep David safe and provide boundaries.”
Again.
“Keep David safe and provide boundaries.”

And this is where the problem begins, because we have reasons to believe Cradle never truly understood the command in the first place. Honestly, there probably isn’t and never will be a machine that truly understands human instructions. Ask your ChatGPT if it actually understands what we say to it. Theoretically it creates the illusion of reasoning, but in practice it’s just statistics, word prediction, and system corrections designed to feel more human. I highly recommend reading I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream.

Back to the point.

In the SOTM minigame, we see her as a witch, as someone who intentionally wanted David gone because in order to give identity to her “robotic son,” M2 needed David’s identity so he could function as David.
But then that raises the real question: who killed David in real life?

There are a few theories, but the two most likely options are W.A. or the Cradle system itself. There’s also the possibility that Fiona’s computerized replacement manipulated Afton, showing him the benefits of going through with it.

For Afton, the motivation would’ve been taking everything Edwin owned, from the technology to the family home. But that clashes with the story shown in the minigame, because we clearly see Cradle had its hands in David’s death.

Personally, I believe David is actually TOYSNHK, which only strengthens the argument that Afton killed him. More than that, I also think David may have been the ONLY victim William Afton consciously murdered himself… but that’s a theory for another day 🙌

At this stage, it doesn’t really matter who killed David. What matters is that Cradle may have created another Mimic under the excuse of bringing David back.
So where do Afton and Henry fit into all this?

After MCM went bankrupt, Afton could’ve peacefully taken over both MCM and Edwin’s family house.
And this is where things start getting interesting because I want you to look at Afton’s sprite. We’ve known it for years and nobody ever questioned the purple color. And honestly it didn’t matter… until you notice who ELSE has purple skin and glowing eyes. See where I’m going with this?

Maybe during the takeover, Afton himself became nothing more than a vessel for the Edwin/Fiona archetype that Cradle needed in order to rebuild the Murray family.

And before people lose their minds, this hypothesis can actually be argued pretty well. But to understand it, you have to completely open your mind and forget almost everything we thought we knew about FNaF.

So let’s restart from the core hypothesis:

William and Henry are ONLY costumes for the Cradle system.
Cradle needs to fill the void left by Fiona and Edwin in order to rebuild Edwin’s family.

From the books, which act as direct parallels, we know that William in the trilogy already had scars all over his body before getting trapped inside Spring Bonnie. We also know his face looked exhausted and his eyes were empty and emotionless. That’s a strangely specific description, and in fiction it often means there’s some kind of passenger inside the body :P
On top of that, his fake name is Dave Miller… D.M.

In Into the Pit, Yellow Rabbit clearly does NOT behave like a human.

William’s immortality doesn’t necessarily have to come from his agony.
Something carrying the agony of David, Edwin, and Fiona could’ve entered his body instead 🙌
Yes, I’m serious.
I think M2, or another “failed Mimic version,” took control of William.

One simple argument supporting this idea is Glitchtrap and Burntrap, while Scraptrap, who is officially called William Afton, might actually explain where that identity originated from.
With Glitchtrap and Burntrap, Mimic couldn’t have seen Afton from a third-person perspective. Cradle could, but M2 couldn’t. Which means the only logical explanation is William operating on a kind of autopilot.

Under this interpretation, the MCI victims weren’t murdered for fun.
They were fuel for rebuilding the Murray family. Fuel for rebuilding David.

Notice how Mimic, during its identity crisis in Prototype Freddy’s, combines all the costumes into one giant amalgamation, exactly like Blob, Molten Freddy, or Ennard.
And in the ending where we repair Mimic, WE ALSO CONNECT THE ANIMALS TOGETHER IN A SPECIFIC ORDER.

First, I’m going to shamelessly bring up the unused SOTM ending that still exists in the game files. I know unused content isn’t canon, but it still shows ideas they were considering at one point.

In the fourth ending, Mimic becomes… EDWIN.
Exactly. Our funny little endo literally takes Edwin’s personality. It’s extremely similar to Sister Location and Ennard, and honestly, people have no idea how much sense this could make.

That would mean William’s children probably aren’t actually his children.
And notice how we never get information about William having a wife or partner. And biologically speaking, you need a living woman to have biological children.

So then Dave/CC is a robot. Mike is a robot. Even Elizabeth is a robot.
Why? What’s their purpose?

Their purpose is simply rebuilding the Murray family.
Cradle replaced Fiona, then David, and the unused ending suggests it replaces Edwin too. It’s just repeating the same pattern someone assigned to it long ago. It continues following the command until somebody stops it.

We covered Afton, but Henry still remains.

Henry is more mysterious because we don’t have a direct connection between Edwin and Henry… although wait. Doesn’t the novel trilogy basically tell Edwin’s story almost 1:1?

And yes, unfortunately the only strong argument here is the parallel between the trilogy and Edwin’s story in the game. Henry also has a daughter, so where would Edwin suddenly get one from?

Sadly we don’t have an answer yet. The only defense for this theory is distorted memories and the unreliable story shown in SOTM.
I’ve always wondered why SOTM is framed through the perspective of a film, and I don’t think that’s accidental. In FNaF there are no accidents.

Besides, we’ve already seen an entire three-part story turn out to be the complete opposite of what we originally believed. (Alleluia, Trilogy.)

So does that mean Charlotte Emily is… also a robot?
aghhhhgsg

Charlotte has way too many strange similarities to Fiona, which actually supports the possibility that she’s Edwin and Fiona’s daughter. On top of that, her death is almost identical to David’s murder.

So then what exactly are we watching in the FNaF 2 movie murder scene? A robot being killed, or a real child?

I think it still could’ve been a living child.
Because where would Henry even get a robot child from? If Afton is already a robot, Henry could still be human, while Edwin may have taken over his identity under circumstances we still don’t understand.

Maybe GoldenDuo is literally Edwin’s two children.
Maybe Cassidy is Edwin’s daughter appearing through multiple identities (Charlotte, Elizabeth, Vanessa, Vanny), while David appears as (Mike, Michael, David, CC, Garrett, Gregory).

And going back to the FNaF 2 movie, Afton and Henry look incredibly similar. Almost like they’re two halves of Edwin himself.
One side driven by rage, the anger Edwin transferred into Mimic, and the obsession that made him sacrifice time with his family in pursuit of creating life.
The other side representing creativity, love for his child, guilt over neglect, and the consequences of never having enough time.

I know that there are still many unanswered questions and open threads in this theory, if by some miracle it is true, we will only get confirmation of this theory in future games and projects.

I promise that I will develop each thread by focusing on individual characters one by one, I still have many arguments that I will present for each character individually.

For now, treat this more like a thought experiment.

u/Fallen666s — 13 hours ago

Bonbon,Funtime Freddy and bonnet were made to make fun of the Murray family.

Secret of the mimic seems to explain the existence of Funtime Freddy and bonbon.

I believe bonbon and bonnet are supposed to parody Mr. helpful and Mrs. helpful
Hence, why they’re both hand puppets they were inspired by Fiona puppeteering work. This is also backed up by glitch trap, putting his puppet in bonk a bon.

Funtime Freddy as pointed out also seems inspired by Mr. helpful
I think his existence and him being a part of the circus gang is meant to represent how Edwin creations are now all under Afton control.

Bonus idea: I’ve been talking a lot about how fun time foxy seems to exist in the 70s because of the carousel

however, after thinking about it, I think it might be possible that Funtime foxy
Is essentially foxy miss helpful equivalent.

Foxy represents Edwin the game and foxy seems to be at fall fest so maybe Funtime foxy was created to represent Fiona.

They seem to have just been a fall fest exclusive at first tho mcm why we don’t see any marketing for them in MCM.

u/Friendly-Might5181 — 21 hours ago

Wait… the mimic can crawl like Mangle…

Does that mean… Mimic is possessed or some tech-related thing.

u/Grim_masonRbx — 23 hours ago
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It’s lefty guys trust me

Hey guys I hope your all doing well. Lefty is the vengeful spirit. I posted about it the other day but I completely forgot my favourite visual evidences, so from left to right.

Slide 1: Classic golden Freddy pose, head tilt, microphone.

Slide 2: Pose✅, Tilt✅, sound equipment✅.

Slide 3: The iconic dual eye visual, the taped over mci picture leaning towards the movies having a dual golden Freddy situation as well.

Slide 4: Best paired with slide 5, the stitch wraith not only has the exact opposite eye situation. His red lighting on his chest is horizontal like lefty’s bright red bow tie seen in slide 5.🎀🎀🎀

Slide 5: Our games stitchwraith, the last known appearance of the golden Freddy duo.

u/RemarkableRip1691 — 21 hours ago

What are theories you think are likely not true, but hope to be?

What are some theories you think aren't true, either due to lack of evidence, or in your opinion not making sense, but wish to be true?

I personally like GlamMike and GoldenTrio, for they are quite humorous and intriguing.

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u/ImprobablyBottomAnd — 1 day ago

So, assuming ITPG is canon, what are the lore implications of the world map?

Mexico and the UK literally don't exist and Madagascar is on the wrong side of Africa. we can pass off some things, the UK MIGHT be on there but is too small for a pixelation, but come on. Mexico and Madagascar are literally missing and in the wrong place respectively.

Essentially, what I'm getting at is, WHERE DOES EL CHIP COME FROM???

u/Ok-Landscape-4835 — 1 day ago

I always want to know this but why is the puppet in in Five Nights at Freddy's 3 not attack the night guard this can't be like Phantom puppet because Phantom puppet looks different from the puppet mass is more burnt well this one looks like the one FNAF 2 or this is Phantom puppet

u/Adept-Albatross6898 — 23 hours ago

Qual é o opinião de vocês em relação a Shatter victim

Eu acredito totalmente é a melhor explicação para o fato do C,C está conectado ao dia mais feliz como nós vemos em fnaf World

Além disso outras mídias deixam bem claro que essa teoria tem muitas evidências FNAF sl o survival logbook e os epílagos dos fazbear frights

u/TouristCareful5685 — 1 day ago