Something I see brought up all the time in almost every TOYSNHK discussion is that for Andrew to be TOYSNHK, first you have to prove that Andrew is in the games. But that argument just makes no sense.

Let me use an analogy: There is a red apple on a table. The person you are with says that he will only accept that the apple is red, if you can prove that the apple exists... without using the apple. So now, without using the apple itself, you have to prove that that the apple on the table exists.

See how difficult and nonsensical that seems? It's the same thing with Andrew.

Let's just assume that you believe Andrew is TOYSNHK for a minute (this will be easy if you already believe AndrewTOYSNHK): That means that Andrew's one and only appearance in the mainline games is in UCN as TOYSNHK. Now, in a discussion involving AndrewTOYSNHK, someone tells you to prove that Andrew is in the games, and only then will they believe AndrewTOYSNHK. How are you supposed to do that? If Andrew's only appearance is as TOYSNHK, then how are you supposed to prove his existence without using TOYSNHK?

The answer is that you don't have to.

Proof of Andrew's existence shouldn't be, and isn't, a prerequisite for AndrewTOYSNHK. When considering TOYSNHK theories, AndrewTOYSNHK should be treated no differently then any other TOYSNHK theory with characters confirmed to exist in the games. The deciding factory of AndrewTOYSNHK shouldn't be proof of his existence outside of TOYSNHK, it should be whether you find AndrewTOYSNHK's evidence convincing. If you do, Andrew is in the games and is TOYSNHK, if you don't, Andrew isn't in the games and isn't TOYSNHK.

If AndrewTOYSNHK is true, then AndrewGames is true, not the other way around.

This isn't even the first time this has happened either, it happened with Edwin before SOTM was announced.

Before SOTM's first trailers and teasers, many people argued that The Mimic alone wasn't proof of Edwin's existence in the games, and that some other game character had to of been the creator of The Mimic. If you could prove that Edwin existed in the games, then that means he was the creator of The Mimic in the games, but because there was no other indicators other than that at the time, a large amount of people went with the belief that Edwin was just a parallel to another game character that created The Mimic (it was Henry, many people believed Edwin was a Henry parallel).

Then SOTM was announced, and as the trailers came out, it became obvious that Edwin was in the games and was the creator of The Mimic. Now, the only reason that the "EdwinGames debate" ended was because of SOTM, with TOYSNHK, his game came out 8 years ago and the AndrewGames debate hasn't ended. The main reason for that was because of how popular GoldenTOYSNHK is, and the fact that Andrew doesn't have any relevence outside of UCN and The Stitchwraith Stingers, so there was no reason to ever bring him up again. That was until ITPG and RTTP came out, and guess what they showed us? They showed us Andrew, and not only that, doubled down on connecting him to TOYSNHK. However, because many people can't agree on the canonicity of those two, and because they aren't mainline games, people haven't taken it as confirmation.

TLDR: AndrewGames isn't a prerequisite of AndrewTOYSNHK. If AndrewTOYSNHK is true, then AndrewGames is true, not the other way around. The deciding factory of AndrewTOYSNHK shouldn't be proof of his existence outside of TOYSNHK, it should be whether you find AndrewTOYSNHK's evidence convincing on it's own.

In this post i will be explaining why i think Golden5th (GoldenCassidy) is the answer and why Charlie5th doesn't make sense. This is no hate to those who believe in Charlie5th.

(Note: I've made a post like this before but i wanted to make a more expanded post).

Let's start with Golden5th:

Evidence #1: The black haired girl in the logbook.

In the logbook we can find a page where Puppet gives a black haired girl a big cake. On the page it says "Reflect on the happiest day of your life". This is exactly what we see in the happiest day minigame in fnaf 3. Puppet gives a child a big cake. Not only is the scene the same, but so is the name. Happiest Day. This is pretty strong evidence that this girl is the happiest day reciever. Aka the soul that possesses Golden Freddy.

Evidence #2: The scrapped ITP drawing.

There is a scrapped ITP drawing where we can see William killing 5 kids. Three boys and two girls. Each child has a specific color that represents which animatronic they possess. Gabriel has brown for Freddy. Jeremy has blue for Bonnie. Susie has yellow for Chica. Fritz has red for Foxy. And the 5th child, a girl, has yellow for...Golden Freddy. Now i know this drawing is scrapped but the fact it was made and supposed to be in the game tells me alot. Personally.

Evidence #3: The curly/black haired body in TNK.

In TNK, Devon finds a body inside Golden Freddy. But instead of it being Kelsey's body (who has wavy blonde hair), this body has curly black hair. This is the spirit possessing Golden Freddy. This spirit could be 3 people. Andrew (who has black hair), the BV (who might possess Golden Freddy), or Cassidy (the girl from the logbook). I don't think it's Andrew because Andrew was never linked to Golden Freddy in Fazbear Frights. I don't think it's the BV either because the BV is shown to have wavy light brown hair. But who is shown to have curly black hair? Cassidy. In RTTP, the final piece of cake is served to a girl with curly hair. This is definitely similar to the cake receiver in happiest day where the final spirit recieves cake. In the fourth closet, Cassidy is shown to be a girl with black hair (tho unfortunately the silver eye trilogy is not canon). In the logbook, Cassidy is shown to have black hair aswell. So i personally think the curly black haired body is Cassidy.

Evidence #4: Golden Freddy is often linked to the other four animatronics.

In the bad ending of fnaf 3, we can see Golden Freddy's head with the other heads of the main four.

In Happiest Day, we can see the Golden Freddy spirit (who is likely Cassidy) with the other 4 (and Puppet).

In GGGL, we can see the Golden Freddy spirit with the other 4 again.

In FNaF 1 there are 5 possessed animatronics and 5 dead children.

Now, why i don't think Charlie5th makes sense:

Evidence #1: Five children died inside. Charlie died outside.

In FGGG, we can see 5 children being murdered inside the pizzeria. In TCTTC, we can see Charlie dying outside the pizzeria.

In the FNaF 1 newspaper it says 5 children were lured into a back room which isn't possible with Charlie5th because Charlie died outside the pizzeria. "Five children are now linked to the incident at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, where a man dressed as a cartoon mascot lured them into a back room".

Evidence #2: Follow Me and Henry's speech.

In fnaf FFPS, Henry says William lured all the MCI spirits back to a familar place and he brought them all together. "He lured them all back. Back to a familar place. Back with familar tricks. He brought them all together". He says "all" to make it clear he means all the MCI victims.

Evidence #3: The wound first inflicted on me.

In fnaf FFPS, Henry says "a wound first inflicted on me, but then one i bled out to cause all of this". It's pretty obvious he is talking about Charlie being the first wound inflicted on him, and with "but then ohe i bled out to cause all of this" i think he meant other tragedies such as the MCI.

Evidence #4: In both the movies and novels Charlie died seperate from the MCI. I know the movies and novels aren't canon but i do notice a pattern.

This is all my current evidence. Something might pop up in my mind later.

I've seen a lot of people complain about Cassidy not having a clear motive to be TOYSNHK, but if Andrew specifically stated that he doesn't know why he's so vengeful to William, then why does Cassidy not having a clear answer disqualify them from being TOYSNHK?

(To be clear, I believe in CassidySpringlock and CassidyWorldPlayer so I do think she has a reason, but it's not confirmed so canonically it's unclear.)

If there's anything that's inaccurate to this comparison lmk

And knowing that bears are canonically extinct, they can probably just do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4z9qna8If8

I must say, this video is really convincing me that Vanessa is Afton's daughter, (so now i will use this video as a headcanon of Will's final interaction with Vanessa) although i still think she was born i 1997.

Although i'm not convinced with the V.A.N.N.I mask being the exact same Vanny mask (they can share the same tech though).

Something i don't agree is Afton returning, since that would be the same problem we had with the Burntrap ending, and i have enough faith that they wouldn't ruin the FFPS ending.

But his final thoughts about the prequel game for Security Breach is something i agree strongly, for such a messy (and sometimes badly written) story, a prequel to that is the right thing to do in order for the audience to care about the characters.

Overral this video makes me sad, knowing that if Scott wasn't so secretive, SB's story would have been a lot better, and made theorizing a lot easier.

Question: what do you think was the original story for Security Breach.

Description:

I know that this theory is already exists and it has even its own page , but here I want to share with some evidence for this theory to defend idea about connection between Puppet and Shadow Freddy.

ShadowCharlie — it is theory that Charlie /puppet kid or/and TCTTC victim is also Shadow Freddy creature. Her soul was split between Puppet and Shadow Freddy.

Side note: this theory doesn’t contradict with CharliePuppet .

Evidence:

(1) Nightmare and Nightmarionne are related, as their original forms, shadow Freddy and Puppet. Nightmare Jumpscare is a different of other Nightmare animatronics.
His Jumpscare is static picture of his face with loud computer noises.
Similar picture we could notice with Nightmarrione, his Jumpscare is also static picture with unknown noises.

(2) Also, another evidence for Nightmare's being the same, is their behaviour:

Both are :

1. <Left door: both stand there and sees similar >

2.<Right door: both stand there and sees similar >

3. <Both shown on the bed , and Nightmare separate his head out of body >

4. <both shown in the Closet >

Are they everywhere or is he everywhere?

(3) ShadowFreddy/ Nightmare/Nightmare ShadowFreddy is Puppet/Nightmarionne
As proven by speculative reasoning about their versions from FNaF 4. It looks very crazy and unclear, but other details also support this for Puppet being related or even same with Shadow Freddy
In the end of TCTTC minigame CakeBear starts to move a bit slowly, when Magenta man already killed The puppet kid, who is confirmed to be puppet by a Puppet's Jumpscare at the end of whole minigame. It can be evidence for Freddy figure being related to Puppet, CakeBear's paranormal activity after murder

(4) The Design Pizza still about giving to children food, it tell us same story as TCTTC, about soul, who became Puppet The building in both minigames has same form
- rectangle, it is the same restaurant.

So TCTTC shows the whole event, while Security Puppet and Design Pizza Show us also Same event , but from two different perspectives.

Design Pizza shows , what was inside building

Security puppet shows, what was outside the building.

And possible Chronology of Charlie’s death:

1. CakeBear/PizzaBear distribute pizza’s to children.

   Later..

2. Charlie got bullied by others and they closed her out of restaurant, security puppet couldn’t to help her and later Magenta man kills her .

Later..

3. Charlie became a spirit, who took PizzaBear form , being the GrayFreddy she is trying to revenge her bullies to stop Pizza distribution.

Later..

4. She finally became Puppet, which is got confirmed by Puppet’s Jumpscare in the ending of TCTTC minigame.

(4) So, now we should to talk about her first form, a spirit, spirit, who was formed out of bear animatronic form, her favourite. Everywhere and anywhere Charlie/Shadow Freddy is only copying form of him, let's compare:

PizzaBear and GrayFreddy are the same form had. Charlie fully copied Freddy.

Classic Freddy and Shadow Freddy also have the same form in every details, except body colour, he copied namely Freddy, because Golden Freddy didn't appeared in Follow me minigame.

Nightmare also is a copy of Nightmare
Fredbear, bear form character

Shadow Freddy's first official appearing was in FNAF2, where he sits in the same pose as Withered Golden Freddy .
He is still coping things.

(5) movement in Save Them and Follow me minigames. Both of them Leads Freddy, but one difference is that in Follow me Shadow Freddy also Leads other classic animatronics, but it is irrelevant.

Freddy is going to Puppet /Shadow
Freddy. Puppet/Shadow
Freddy is leading him. Freddy is still goes.
But Puppet/Shadow
Freddy is still lead him, but where ? What is the end of the both
minigames? Purple guy just broke the Freddy and Puppet/Shadow Freddy is go to unknown place.

same character from these minigames, we can make another step and say :
"Why not for Puppet and Shadow Freddy being the same person?
They plays same role in these games.»
Side note:I know that these places doesn't match with original maps from minigames, I mean, that they behave similar.

(6) ( Lefty argument) special lure machine, named L.E.F.T.E. His design is so familiar, he is bear with bow tie /top / micro, it has the same form and proportions as Rockstar Freddy has . He is copy of him.
Lefty is dark reflection of Rockstar Freddy as Shadow Freddy is just dark reflection of Original Freddy.

Lefty
reflection of
Rockstar Freddy

<They are parallels to them>
GrayFreddy is dark reflection of PizzaBear

They should be related, because connection of two things :

1. they are copies of Freddy

2. they are the same colour ( dark /Gray )

Lefty is also confirmed to be Puppet.

(6) Side note: I don't believe that Classic's are literally Rockstars or RockstarMCI theory, it just one detail:

I think, the relevant of them is Golden Freddy, who is replaced by Lefty , a bear form animatronic, who is referenced to Shadow Freddy by his dark gray colour

In FNaF 2 Dreams cutscenes, puppet Literally replaced the Yellow bear, like her real form, a ghost named Shadow Freddy.

The whole Charlie story is about

One one soul after her death was split es between two spirits, that are based on two things, was nearby to tragedy:

{1} One part of her soul took the Freddy's form and changed it in negative colour of her suffering
. It is Shadow Freddy

{2} The other part of her soul took form of Security
Puppet, the robot, who was too late to save her

And finally, two pieces of her soul gets being putted together in one Body for her , L.E.F.T.E.

The only think anyone seems to agree on is that mustard man is the man behind the slaughter.

What do you think?

Isso na minha opinião é uma prova que o dia mais feliz era uma armadilha do William já que é deixado bem claro pelos segundo filme e pelo fnaf sl que o Michael era cúmplice do William cumprindo sempre as ordens dele

Então eu não ficaria surpreso que o William contou para o Michael o plano dele de "colocar as crianças do mci em uma armadilha" usando as memórias do C,C

Claro isso tudo depende se esse livro realmente não é um meta

Side note: I am considering F10Speaker and F10Glitchbear but I added it on the list because I may come out believing it. Also sorry for bad quality!

They're sprite accurate to a fault! Obviously that's way more fun to do heheh...

Someone requested this, I think...