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So what do you guys believe about the hallucinations we encounter through the games... and i mean anything from the first 3 games, the endo looking at us, drawings changing, stuff appears in front of us.

Do you think this is a power only the MCI have, or any supernatural entity can do it (DCI, puppet and springtrap)... or do you think it's not related to the dead people at all.

Let me know what you think.

Finally, I got around to finish reading another chapter of TSE but I gotta ask a question.

Where do you think you should look for the lore in this book, and is it insane to genuinely try to analyze each page of it? 😭

I REALLY want to treat this book as its own thing and appreciate its story and writing, but my fnaf brain keeps analyzing what i feel is useless, unrelated stuff... like no joke, I tried to analyze and think about John's story and link it to the games lore... I can't be helped...

Here is the story if anyone is interested:

“It’s called ‘The Little Yellow House.’ It’s about a boy,” he said. “He’s ten years old. His parents are fighting all the time, and he’s afraid they’re going to get divorced. They fight, and he overhears them saying awful things to each other, and he hides in his room with the door shut, but he can still hear them.

“So he starts looking out the window, at the house across the street. They sort of keep their curtains open just enough that he can glimpse inside. He watches them go in and out of the house, this family, and he starts making up stories about them, imagining who they are and what they do, and after a while they start feeling more real to him than his own family.”

“So summer comes, and his family goes away for a

week, and it’s miserable, and when they get back, the

family in the house across the street has moved away.

There’s nothing left, just a FOR SALE sign hanging in front.”

“That’s the end,”

I made a comment about this in the past, but I figured I could turn this into an actual post where I can explain myself better.

To start off, I think the story of the WR in itself is pretty interesting and good, I liked the idea of manipulating a teenager and giving her a twisted idea on becoming stronger. it's messed up, and this route can be interpreted in many ways.

As someone who always believed the WR won't be Noelle exclusive, I don't think that was a bad thing at all, it was just a different kind of story from what I imagined and I can appreciate the canon WR for what it is.

that being said, it's amazing how Toby managed to do a route even more boring that the genocide route without the elements that made the genocide route unique in the first place.

Ch2 (The Peak): This is where it shined best. It genuinely rivaled the full genocide run for me and was on the same level of it, I mean, what is there not to like? You change most of the dark world, darkners start to run away from you, you KILL berdly, you skip queen boss fight and its replaced with Spamton NEO... It's amazing how this chapter Hammer the idea of how you messed things up, and the optional hospital scene? Oh, it's SO good.

But my question is... what happened???

Ch3 (nothing changed): So after what WE did... after forcing Kris to traumatize their childhood friend, after manipulating this poor teenager into a twisted idea of becoming stronger and forcing her to kill a classmate THEY both knew... nothing changed????

Noelle not being in the chapter is understandable, but what about Kris? Am I supposed to believe they were mentally ok with what happened? Later chapters are it making obvious they aren't, so why in hell do we just go through Tenna games again?

Doing TV world after the horror of the WR in ch2 is just tone clashing, and it's so boring and breaks any immersion you had... and genuinely, why do i have access to the mantle minigames in the WR? Let me rephrase that, why do i have access to the WR tutorial while I am doing the WR 😭

Wouldn't it make more sense if we skipped all the boards to Tenna crash out and us exploring TV world? That would make the chapter short, but it would definitely fit the vibes of the WR... it would've been so easy too, just make Susie see there is something wrong with kris and that they can't really play in these games, so they insist they must leave early.

Ch4 (good effort): Noelle is in this chapter! Which gave us... 1 new scene, ok better than nothing, and it's super effective, but then what? The game throws you again to ch4 DW, and it has 0 changes (aside from optional dialogue)

Now admittedly, ch4 is in itself is serious so it would be hard to skip any of it... but at least show me kris struggling to keep things together in a mandatory scene.

I thought about it, and we could technically skip Susie's fountain since all the panels can appear again in the 3rd fountain, not to mention skipping Susie and ralsei conversation wouldn't matter here because how the WR want to focus on Noelle more... and it could be one of those scenarios where they had that conversation off-screen... idk, anything to fit the vibes.

Ch5 (hope): it gave me hope for what to comes, the idea of skipping ch5 dark world and the ch6 fully is interesting... but at this point, it made me realize that up until this point, you could very easily just watch all WR changes on YouTube instead of replying the game again without any changes.

I realized that I don't care about the WR now, which is a shame. It could've been a cool experience to go through... after ch2, it just drags with nothing new to offer aside from mostly new optional dialogue.

So overall, good idea, bad execution.

(I wrote this when I watched the leak and it wasn't in English)

There is no point in stalling. Let's get into it:

I think the best thing I could do first is list the positives really quickly and my overall thoughts on this episode.

From a production stand point, it's what I expect from an episode of this show, good animation, lighting, and even if I didn't hear the English VA, I am sure they will be fantastic, and the version I watched the episode of, the VAs were pretty good.

Now from a writing stand point, I did like some moments here and there, pretty much any scene between 2 characters (except Jax, don't worry ill talk about it) like pomni and ragatha, pomni and kinger, gangle and zooble etc.

And even some moments from Jax, who I consider to be my least favorite character and I could say I am a "hater" of his character, still manged to give a good moment, when he said to pomni "I don't want to go" I felt that, I didn't feel sadness, but I did feel something which is a good sign.

And as an ending, it was a happy ending, I can get behind that. There is nothing wrong with that... so like my overall thoughts on it, I will probably give it a 5/10, it was enjoyable, but to me it had many problems with the writing and pacing, and admittedly, I think the whole show suffered from those things.

So let's start with my main problem, not just in this episode, but the whole show, Jax.

I am not sure if this is a hot take or not anymore, but Jax (to me) is NOT that interesting or deep or complex as a lot of people try to put it, I think he had potential, but the show pacing just wasn't good and it made me loss interest in the character.

For the first 4 episodes, he is nothing but an unfunny asshole abuser that never gets called out for his behavior, then in the next 4 episodes he keeps doing the same thing, saying the same thing and feeling the same thing.

Like I get it, he has trauma, he has panic attacks, he is still an asshole and i kinda figure out by now he treat this as fiction so he is above consequence, can we do something new? Have a deep discussion about his behavior rather than any character trying to do that get shut down or actually explore his backstory? No? Oh sure, put it all in the finale. That's definitely not a terrible idea!

I knew he would eat up all the screen time of this finale, but man, it sucks to actually see it.

It just doesn't set right with me, Gangle, the person Jax abused the most, barley gets any dialogue in this episode, I mean how can she? When the show is busy, reveling Jax backstory in the most obnoxious way possible.

Like, did we really need pomni to suicide jump into Jax abstracted body and conveniently connected to his mind to have one last conversation with him and see his backstory? Like that's how you gonna do it? Not to mention how it's annoying to cut between his memories and that loud abstraction sound in between the memories, like why couldn't you just let ragatha talk about it, or jax before his abstraction.

Speaking of which, that abstraction was super clunky, like seriously, you couldn't animate him? Just cut to him already abstracted, i gusse.

And then the cherry on the top, Jax backstory, is lame as fuck, it's your typical parents issues, and all of that, but then he was talking to Ribbit and she was super supportive of him but then out of nowhere he started to push her away and led to her abstraction and kaufmo, like WHAT THE HELL MAN? He created a non existing problem, and his solution to it is to kill people?

It genuinely surprised me to see people being upset that Jax abstracted and that "he wasn't saved" because that's the message? Being that person being Jax, is gonna lead you into a path of a tragedy, Jax wasn't a role model or someone who was welling to change, nobody failed Jax, Jax failed himself. And I can appreciate the writers for at least not fucking this part up.

And it's not like he completely died, Jax in the Circus the one with the unhealthy mind set is the one who died, but the real world equivalent of him found a better ending, and I am glad for that... just wished the show explored that rather than just telling us.

Alright, enough talking about jax, let me talk about Caine, ummm how are you back?

Like, I am glad he came back, but i would've appreciated an explanation, you know? He was deleted but was just in the void and then came back? Feels contrived.

What else, oh yeah we didn't get much answer about the "world" surrounding the Circus, how they got brain scans from these characters and made them stuck in the Circus, what was the whole deal with C&A? you know stuff like that, but I guess goose is busy making fun of theorists on social media rather than answering these questions.

(WARNING: This next section is me being critical of gooseworx. I don't hate her or support people who harasses her)

This led me to a point about how the show is managed in general, i despise episode 7 man.. it was a good opportunity to answer some questions and build the world of this show, but turned into a massive fuck you to anyone who was paying attention, what makes it worse to me is the creator was genuinely so amused by it, writing posts like "the next episode is gonna piss a lot of people off 🤪".

and it's like, I get it, she is definitely someone who wants her show to be analyzed for its character, not the "lore" she doesn't want it to be FNAF... but it's like, why add these secrets and make people talk about them in the first place if it was all for nothing?

It really felt like she just added these thing in to make people talk about it and make the show popular, but because she herself doesn't want to explore them and focus on the characters she made E7,  a complete filler that even the final part of it, that could've been used to talk about jax and his actions was shut down and brushed off very quickly in the next episode.

But yeah... I'm glad this show is over, since as goose said, "i am never touching this series again"

But in the end, this is just my opinion. Tell me how YOU thought about it and what you would have done differently, that would be interesting to know.

Ok tbh, it's more of a question just to make sure.

Is the FNAF 1 location the same that is being described in TSE?

I mean, aside from the carousel, it seems like it right? There are hallways, party room, a kitchen, 2 stages, one for the 3 animatronics and one for foxy, and they are in different rooms.

I just wanted to make sure, so if anyone who memorized this book can confirm, that would be cool lol

I was super surprised while I was reading ch3 because no jokes I think I found like actual hints at memories being tied to supernatural things... here look at this dialogue:

“I don’t believe in ghosts.” “I do,” Charlie said.

“I mean, not ghosts, but … memories."

“Memory is in our brains. Like, literally stored in the brain; you can see it on a scan. It can’t exist outside of someone’s mind.”

“Think of all the places that have … atmosphere. Old houses, sometimes, places where you walk in and you feel sad or nostalgic, even though you’ve never been there before."

“I don’t know, sometimes I have little moments where it’s like there’s something I forgot, something I regret, or that I’m happy about, or something that makes me want to cry, but it’s only there for a split second. Then it’s gone. Maybe we’re all shedding our fear and regret and hope everywhere we go, and we’re catching traces of people we’ve never met. Maybe it’s everywhere."

"You’re talking about people having some kind of essence that can hang around a specific place after the person is gone,” Lamar said. “That’s a ghost."

like am I crazy or is this straight up an explanation for HD, we are directly being told that experiencing memories from someone else is possible in this universe and one of the characters is pointing out that this is tied to ghosts.

but what do you guys think? because it genuinely seems to me that Scott intentions for HD were always CC memoires.

There is no point in stalling. Let's get into it:

I think the best thing I could do first is list the positives really quickly and my overall thoughts on this episode.

From a production stand point, it's what I expect from an episode of this show, good animation, lighting, and even if I didn't hear the English VA, I am sure they will be fantastic, and the version I watched the episode of, the VAs were pretty good.

Now from a writing stand point, I did like some moments here and there, pretty much any scene between 2 characters (except Jax, don't worry ill talk about it) like pomni and ragatha, pomni and kinger, gangle and zooble etc.

And even some moments from Jax, who I consider to be my least favorite character and I could say I am a "hater" of his character, still manged to give a good moment, when he said to pomni "I don't want to go" I felt that, I didn't feel sadness, but I did feel something which is a good sign.

And as an ending, it was a happy ending, I can get behind that. There is nothing wrong with that... so like my overall thoughts on it, I will probably give it a 5/10, it was enjoyable, but to me it had many problems with the writing and pacing, and admittedly, I think the whole show suffered from those things.

So let's start with my main problem, not just in this episode, but the whole show, Jax.

I am not sure if this is a hot take or not anymore, but Jax (to me) is NOT that interesting or deep or complex as a lot of people try to put it, I think he had potential, but the show pacing just wasn't good and it made me loss interest in the character.

For the first 4 episodes, he is nothing but an unfunny asshole abuser that never gets called out for his behavior, then in the next 4 episodes he keeps doing the same thing, saying the same thing and feeling the same thing.

Like I get it, he has trauma, he has panic attacks, he is still an asshole and i kinda figure out by now he treat this as fiction so he is above consequence, can we do something new? Have a deep discussion about his behavior rather than any character trying to do that get shut down or actually explore his backstory? No? Oh sure, put it all in the finale. That's definitely not a terrible idea!

I knew he would eat up all the screen time of this finale, but man, it sucks to actually see it.

It just doesn't set right with me, Gangle, the person Jax abused the most, barley gets any dialogue in this episode, I mean how can she? When the show is busy, reveling Jax backstory in the most obnoxious way possible.

Like, did we really need pomni to suicide jump into Jax abstracted body and conveniently connected to his mind to have one last conversation with him and see his backstory? Like that's how you gonna do it? Not to mention how it's annoying to cut between his memories and that loud abstraction sound in between the memories, like why couldn't you just let ragatha talk about it, or jax before his abstraction.

Speaking of which, that abstraction was super clunky, like seriously, you couldn't animate him? Just cut to him already abstracted, i gusse.

And then the cherry on the top, Jax backstory, is lame as fuck, it's your typical parents issues, and all of that, but then he was talking to Ribbit and she was super supportive of him but then out of nowhere he started to push her away and led to her abstraction and kaufmo, like WHAT THE HELL MAN? He created a non existing problem, and his solution to it is to kill people?

It genuinely surprised me to see people being upset that Jax abstracted and that "he wasn't saved" because that's the message? Being that person being Jax, is gonna lead you into a path of a tragedy, Jax wasn't a role model or someone who was welling to change, nobody failed Jax, Jax failed himself. And I can appreciate the writers for at least not fucking this part up.

And it's not like he completely died, Jax in the Circus the one with the unhealthy mind set is the one who died, but the real world equivalent of him found a better ending, and I am glad for that... just wished the show explored that rather than just telling us.

Alright, enough talking about jax, let me talk about Caine, ummm how are you back?

Like, I am glad he came back, but i would've appreciated an explanation, you know? He was deleted but was just in the void and then came back? Feels contrived.

What else, oh yeah we didn't get much answer about the "world" surrounding the Circus, how they got brain scans from these characters and made them stuck in the Circus, what was the whole deal with C&A? you know stuff like that, but I guess goose is busy making fun of theorists on social media rather than answering these questions.

(WARNING: This next section is me being critical of gooseworx. I don't hate her or support people who harasses her)

This led me to a point about how the show is managed in general, i despise episode 7 man.. it was a good opportunity to answer some questions and build the world of this show, but turned into a massive fuck you to anyone who was paying attention, what makes it worse to me is the creator was genuinely so amused by it, writing posts like "the next episode is gonna piss a lot of people off 🤪".

and it's like, I get it, she is definitely someone who wants her show to be analyzed for its character, not the "lore" she doesn't want it to be FNAF... but it's like, why add these secrets and make people talk about them in the first place if it was all for nothing?

It really felt like she just added these thing in to make people talk about it and make the show popular, but because she herself doesn't want to explore them and focus on the characters she made E7,  a complete filler that even the final part of it, that could've been used to talk about jax and his actions was shut down and brushed off very quickly in the next episode.

But yeah... I'm glad this show is over, since as goose said, "i am never touching this series again"

But in the end, this is just my opinion. Tell me how YOU thought about it and what you would have done differently, that would be interesting to know.

No limits, give me a theory, and I'll review it and tell you how I feel about it. If I disagree or agree... idk.