r/charlie87

Something I’ll initially admit is that the quality of this video is really bad. There are things I already wished I could do better in post production related to the script. There were a few lines taken out which make some parts just feel… out of place I guess you could say? I love this franchise and want to express my input more, I hope we can be in the same page with that. Enjoy the video, although I won’t be surprised if you don’t LMAO

https://youtu.be/mBTxbqZ-OkY?si=3Uza9HUwUSLHJmpo

Firstly I wanted to say why I chose to put SL before 4 is because it makes more narrative sense for Michael to prove he is trying to help putting his sister back together and figuring out William’s evil intentions in the springtrap ending of SL and then he fights the manifestation of William’s wickedness mixed with fear from his young brother and conquer the fears that is Nightmare, then in Fnaf 3 the Crumpled Freddy suit represents Nightmare defeated.

Anyways about the original question I asked. So I think the latter is better for 2 reasons. 1. is that in the logbook, the nightmares are said to be recent. 2. is the “Night 0” mentioned by Phone Dude on Night 1 of Fnaf 3. He says, “welcome back to another night. I promise you things will be a lot more interesting this time” implying Michael was there before, left after not finding what he was looking for (probably midway through his night, I don’t know, this part doesn’t really matter) and taking however long of a break before coming back for Fnaf 3 to start taking place so we can just put the 8 nightmares of Fnaf 4 in between “Night 0” and Fnaf 3, night 1.

Hey guys I hope your all doing well. Lefty is the vengeful spirit. I posted about it the other day but I completely forgot my favourite visual evidences, so from left to right.

Slide 1: Classic golden Freddy pose, head tilt, microphone.

Slide 2: Pose✅, Tilt✅, sound equipment✅.

Slide 3: The iconic dual eye visual, the taped over mci picture leaning towards the movies having a dual golden Freddy situation as well.

Slide 4: Best paired with slide 5, the stitch wraith not only has the exact opposite eye situation. His red lighting on his chest is horizontal like lefty’s bright red bow tie seen in slide 5.🎀🎀🎀

Slide 5: Our games stitchwraith, the last known appearance of the golden Freddy duo.

William Afton is shown to be purple in most of the Minigames because it's meant to represent him lurking in the shadows and commiting all of his evil deeds while everyone else is none the wiser.

The reason he is shown to be orange in Midnight Motorist is because that is the first and only Minigame where we are actually playing as him, and he is no longer in the shadows.

There is absolutely no lore significance to him being Purple, it was just a design choice by Scott Cawthon.

this is an idea I had in mind recently. why would scott imply that something else happened in the night Charlie died?

most people went with this being the thing C.C. saw, Charlie’s dead body in the alleyway. but with Charlie87 the idea really narrows it down to it being Micheal unless if we’re going with a CCBot or that the bite of 83 was actually later than we thought.

so that begs the question, whats the point of Micheal being led somewhere right after her death?

after thinking about it, I can only really guess that it’s to show he did something with the puppet that night.

and I think the event that only really makes sense to be a by product of that, is GGGL.

my guess about what Micheal could’ve contributed here is the gifts the puppet gave, and I think those were the plushies CC had when he died, and that this was how he got tangled up with the MCI.

I think this idea sorta uses all the things MM sets up, that the mound in the woods is relevant probably because that’s CCs grave, and Micheal went there for something. I sorta think Moon.exe shows something similar with M2 getting the owl out of Monty’s jaws, which to me seems like an allegory of them getting DaviD’s spirit.

and after that they went to juniors/fnaf 2 to help the puppet do GGGL. though the only ‘evidence’ I have for that is, again, the parallel of Moon.exe, where the protag helps the which at the cabin fix three masks, like how the puppet helps the MCI and puts the heads of the animatronics on their bodies. and after that, the witch gives out a fourth mask, like How GF only appears after the puppet gives the other heads to the MCI.

how on earth would Micheal know to do this? I dunno. why would he? I’m not sure. this is just the best guess I could make here.

Eu não ficaria surpreso sinceramente

Well, there you have it, a FNAF 4 analysis in the best of my abilities.

I know It's not perfect, but even if you don't agree with me, I hope I gave you something to think about or, at the very least, a good read!

Sadly, I have a bit of bad news, this series will be put on hold at the moment, the next step will be "The Silver Eyes" but not only that book is HUGE to do a full analysis on, but I am starting my final exams next month so I will be quiet busy.

Anyway, until next time, enjoy my other posts if you haven't already:

FNAF 1:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/s/05IgpvHciB

FNAF 2:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/s/Elx6di7QpE

FNAF 3:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/s/gwE9T3iNBy

créditos pela arte da Cassie venny para https://chloesimaginationthings.tumblr.com/

F10N4 might’ve had a part in the process of putting CC back together with Afton.

Dreadbear brain tinkering minigame with the mad scientist is present in R&D and F10N4 is inside R&D where we know she was present in the office.

We also know F10N4 & Afton had to meet in some sort of way since F10N4 was in standby mode and we also Know Fazbear took over MCM and its Assets with obviously the Murray household which is now owned by the Aftons.

Though the most weird part of Secret of the Mimic is the FNAF 4 call backs with David’s room and toys. Though also foreshadowing the Afton family under Flower Aftons.

However there’s motives at play here, F10N4 wants David Back under M2, with Afton wanting to put CC back together through Dreadbear. Which F10N4s idea of getting David back is Through M2 with obvious MM call backs inside Moon.EXE. 

Which after putting together Moon statue in Moon.EXE you go through a similar scenario to Happiest day giving the MCM animatronics or the Main bosses of SOTM like Dollie, Jackie, Big Top and chica their desired items making them happy just like in happiest day giving the MCI the birthday they didn't  get to experience in reality.

So in my mind, I think that when William came in contact with F10N4 he and she promised to put their sons back together in some way which is showcased in the Dreadbear minigame inside R&D. 

a silly idea I had with how the puppet was seemingly constantly trying to find Charlie Specifically Even when she wasn’t locked outside.

and the eyes… green like ELIZABETH’S!!! coincidence? I think Not!

what was the puppet going to do if it saw Charlie before she was outside? Maybe it’s a killbot that was going to get orchestrated by Circus baby to kill her… i dont actually believe that of course XD

This post is actually kinda based on this meme post lol

So, like u/Curi0usSheep meme says, Henry's comment kinda doesn't make sense.

Charlie isn't shown *choosing* to go to FFPP.

In fact, LEFTE's blueprints show that the thing was designed to lure and encapsulate the Puppet, emitting the bracelet signal associated with Pups and then soothing it with a constant lullaby.

And then, he's one of the animatronics we can buy directly, made precisely to burn in the fire.

So yeah, Charlie didn't choose to return.

Of course Henry would know, he forced her to do that.

But then, why does he act as if it was optional on her side? Is it just bad writing?

Well, the linked comment actually does offer an explanation I've never seen anyone bring up, and one which actually does make sense: that Henry is referring to Charlie returning "to life". \

On one hand, that'd mean Henry was sure she'd come back when she died, so he was aware of the paranormal by that point in time. \

But on the other, as explained in other posts on this sub, there actually is some evidence of stuff going on by the time Security Puppet/Take Cake take place. I'd recomend looking at some other posts that go more in depth with that, but the gist of it is that SP revolved around a specific security feature that's meant to track kids and which was used (at the very least) since 1987, plus the apparent wanted or missing person posters seen in the back.

All that does work "oh my daughter, I knew you'd come back to life like everyone else". \

BUT things don't end there, that tidbit actually got me to watch the completion ending again, and I kinda noticed something else that could be important.

And that is thar, well, when Henry begins talking about her in her speech, there's a very specific sequence of events shown: \

1. No photo

"My daughter, if you can hear me, I knew you would return as well. It's in your nature to protect the innocent

2. Take Cake to the Children

I'm sorry that on that day, the day you were shut out and left to die"

3. Charlie by the window

"no one was there to lift you up into their arms the way you lifted others into yours"

4. Charlie dead in the alley

"and then, what became of you. I should have known you wouldn't be content to disappear"

This, imo, also shows that what TheRadiomanLe-613 said was correct. \

Unlike other characters, who Henry deems as "trapped" in the Insanity ending, here he states that he believs Charlie stayed around willingly. Most likely to help others, as stated at the very beggining of her section.

5. Fade-in starts right after "what became of you" — Puppet at the Prize Corner

"not my daughter. I couldn't save you then, so let me save you now."

6. Fade-in after "it's time to rest" — the events of GGGL are shown.

"It's time to rest - for you, and for those you have carried in your arms."

Not only does this piece of the speech tell us about Charlie's character, and implies that her possession was voluntary unlike everyone else's, but the sequence of images attached ALSO hold significance imo.

And what is that? Well, the sequence shows the events of her death, then shows Pups specifically at Toy Freddy's after Henry talks about "what became of her", and then "those she carried in her arms" are shown.

Simply said, what if the images are just straight up supposed to show what Henry meant as he monologued?

This could be clarifying where Security Puppet takes place. Scott could've just used the night cutscenes already used in 2 if he wanted to confirm CharliePuppet alongside how she helped the kids, or just create a new screen like he already does for Baby and the others.

And yet, he chose to add in an overt reference to FNaF2 in between the events of Charlie's death and the consequences of that.

It'd be a jump forward in time for no real reason whatsoever.

Still, Scott chose to show Pups in a corner in minigame form, just to show immediately display him in another corner in another format immediattely after, and then switch back to another minigame.

Imo, the image order is so deliberate that it’s hard to read it as anything other than the actual sequence of events.

Scott could’ve used only Security Puppet footage to show Charlie becoming Puppet and later helping the kids. Instead, he specifically inserts a shot of Puppet at the Prize Corner immediately after Henry says ‘what became of you’, and before GGGL. Why make the montage jump forward in time, associate both corners, and then jump back again if that wasn’t meant to be the sequence of events?

The visual order practically spells it out: Charlie dies, becomes the Puppet at the FNaF 2 location, and then enacts Give Gifts Give Life.

And before someone says “the images are probably just random references,” I don’t really think the ending supports that reading.

Throughout Henry’s speech, the visuals directly correspond to what he’s talking about. When he addresses “the monsters trapped in the corridors,” we’re shown Scrap Baby and Molten Freddy; when he shifts to the one “for whom the darkest pit of Hell has opened,” the focus goes to Afton; when talking about "the memory of everything that started this" we see the FNaF1/MCI location.

Even in Charlie’s own section, the images shown follow the speech beat by beat.

The only one that feels kinda off is Kid's Cove, and even then that pops up when he's talking about "every tragedy", which might just also be about MangleBite if anything.

So if the montage is already repeatedly using visuals to illustrate Henry’s words, why would Puppet at the Prize Corner suddenly be random? Especially when it appears immediately after “what became of you.”

Idk, this all genuinely feels intentional to me.

The ending doesn’t just show random Charlie/Puppet imagery — it follows a weirdly specific order, and the Prize Corner shot being placed where it is feels too deliberate to ignore.

Like, Scott could’ve structured that montage in a dozen easier ways, so it feels like there’s way more intentionality there than just “Charlie became Puppet lol”.

So rn I’m kinda leaning toward the idea that the ending is straight up showing the sequence of events: Charlie dies, becomes Puppet at the FNaF 2 location, and then enacts GGGL.

At the very least, I think this makes Henry’s speech way more interesting than people usually give it credit for.

Curious what people think tho.

Personaly:

Even back when I believed in Charlie83: I never did, I was always CharlieFreddy's believer. It worked far better with BVFirst.

However I was shocked that it was officialy debunked. It felt good to see a theory get officialy confirmed. We now know more lore!