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In response to the /u/nexxwav post "A drastic realignment in US - Israel relations is necessary".

The Iran-(US-Israel) war known as Epic Fury and Roaring Lion may lead to entirely new military world order: one where Israel and America are the drivers.

The rhetoric from US and Israeli leaders, as well as recent broad and long running MOUs negotiated by the countries is the clearest sign yet that America’s military alliance system is undergoing a dramatic realignment.

The story of this war is about who proved useful, who hesitated, and who emerged as indispensable.

Israel’s performance changed the strategic conversation in Washington. After Israel’s earlier strikes on Iran, President Trump told ABC News, “I think it’s been excellent,” adding that there was “more to come.”

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth later put the operational relationship in even more blunt terms: “Israel’s been a really strong partner in this effort,” and when an ally has “both the will and the capability,” coordinated action produces “incredible effects.”

At the same time, NATO looked like an ineffective mess struggling to answer a new kind of war. Rubio singled out Spain for denying US use of bases and asked, “Well then why are you in NATO?”. Trump has said he is considering withdrawal from the alliance, and is also moving to shrink the forces it makes available to NATO in a crisis.

It is not so easy because Congress passed a law in 2023 barring unilateral withdrawal from NATO without two-thirds Senate approval. But even without a formal withdrawal, a president can simply hollow out NATO by shifting forces elsewhere, effectively making America's involvement in NATO more a paper thing.

CENTCOM Commander Adm. Brad Cooper said Epic Fury enhanced military relationships across the Middle East, with five partner nations “literally side by side with the United States in defense,” while also saying U.S. forces were “operating very closely with the state of Israel.”

Epic Fury points toward what could replace the old model: a new hard-power alliance built around countries that actually fight. Those two countries who fight are Israel and America.

That is the outline of a new world military alliance that may replace NATO: America and Israel as steering members; Gulf partners as defense, basing, and maritime-security; and other states joining issue by issue. Compared to NATO it would be faster, more regional, more missile defense focused, more technology and intelligence driven, and more willing to strike before threats mature.

The lesson of Epic Fury is blunt: America is discovering that NATO is useless. NATO allies debate. NATO allies deny access. NATO allies wait for consensus. But only Israel acts, fights, shares intelligence, and fights in the battlefield.

If NATO continues to behave like a committee while America’s real wars are being fought without NATO, NATO will simply dissolve away. America will not leave NATO in one dramatic legal act any time soon. But it may simply build something more relevant beside it, while the ineffective corpse of NATO works on the next DEI recruitment video.

Despite all the haters, Israel won second place in Eurovision 2026!

I really like the song and the staging, and of course, DARA is absolutely beautiful too. Well done!!

What is Israel and Palestine anyways? To understand the conflict, let's figure out what those identities are, how old they are, and how they were formed.

The modern Palestinian identity is tied to two major 20th century developments.

The first is the post WWI redrawing of the Middle East. The 1916 Sykes-Picot agreement was a secret British and French agreement for dividing Ottoman lands. Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq emerged from this. Arabs were cut into new political units oftentimes entirely arbitrarily.

At the time, Arabs living in the area earmarked for Palestine did not describe themselves as having a Palestinian national identity. In the Mandate period, leading Arab representatives in Palestine often viewed the land as part of Syria. The First Arab Congress in 1919 even declared that the very idea of a Palestine nation was a Zionist and British imperialist fabrication with no historical basis, and it truly was part of Syria and could not be separated from it.

Fast forward to 1964, when the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was founded. The PLO became the main political institution claiming to represent Palestinians as a distinct nation. They were Arabs and their descendants who had lived in the Mandate before Israel’s creation in 1948. The Palestinian identity to this day is entirely impossible to define independently of the Israeli one.

So Palestinian is largely a national identity formed recently and by the existence of Israel itself.

Israel, by contrast, defines itself as the nation-state of the Jewish people.

Jews are a people with an ancient definition and continuity. A Jew can be religious or secular. Jews are defined as a group continuing from the ancient Levantine Jewish people, descended from the Israelites of the Bible, with a formal and difficult conversion process.

The important thing to note about Jewish identity is that it is ancient and continuous. Palestinian national identity developed much more recently.

Why I made this post is because I very often see propaganda which attempts to over play the Palestinian identity and under play the Jewish one. This is part of a strategy to convince people that the more recently articulated Palestinian national aspirations are more valid or relevant compared to the Jewish aspirations, because they are somehow more authentic.

For example, I have even seen anti-Israel one staters say the country should be called "Palestine", not "Israel", and perhaps not "Syria" as the original Arabs wished. Or that Jews should go to Poland, as if they are not really Jews but rather part of the Polish nation. But Palestinians are treated as if they had a hard core nation here since the time of the dinosaurs. This is all part of the propaganda campaign being played against Israel.

There have been a lot of posts on this subreddit lately repeating the same argument in various ways. These posts are long, polished, and written in near-perfect English. Obviously it is just AI generating endless variations of the same talking points.

But setting that aside, the argument itself feels entirely wrong. It shows that AI can make huge well written 20 page posts that make literally no sense.

Israel is a Jewish state. That is why it exists.

The country was established so that Jews could have self-determination and the ability to govern ourselves after a long history of persecution and statelessness.

That’s the foundation everything else is built on. There is no other wider purpose for Israel.

So when people come in and repeatedly try to challenge or dismiss that core idea, it doesn’t really move the debate forward. You are not going to convince Israelis on it. I am not sure who you are trying to convince, maybe yourselves, but you are already convinced.

But this just circles back to the same basic disagreement over and over again. What is the point the debate if it won't go anywhere?

If you want to take away the Jewish people's state you'd have to fight it in war. But you'll are incompetent in war, everyone knows this. So maybe you think some combination of AI tokens will like convince the average Jew into enjoying Arab Muslim third world rule over his country.

It's not happening. You can debate policies, leadership, borders, or decisions. That's often worth discussing. But arguing against the reason the country exists, especially in these copy-paste, AI variations is just noise.

It would be more productive to focus on discussions that actually engage with reality as it exists, rather than trying to endlessly relitigate the premise of Israel's existence in ways that don’t lead anywhere constructive.