Were They Might Be Giants revolutionaries?

Were They Might Be Giants actually kind of revolutionary?

This is something I’ve been thinking about lately: They Might Be Giants have always struck me as much more musically and lyrically radical than their presentation would suggest.

On the surface, they can sound almost aggressively harmless: goofy, nerdy, understated, lo-fi-ish, melodic, and often deliberately silly. There’s no obvious rock-star posturing, no grandiose sense of importance, and very little of the “we are changing the world” attitude that usually accompanies the word revolutionary. A lot of their songs sound like little jokes, observations, children's songs, absurdist sketches, or deliberately trivial pieces of pop music.

But that's almost the point.

Their songwriting has this very strange combination of rationality, absurdity, sarcasm, deadpan humor, and genuine musical craft. They can take something completely ridiculous and present it with the seriousness of a scientific observation — or take something mundane and make it sound bizarre simply by looking at it from an unexpected angle.

Songs like Particle Man, Istanbul (Not Constantinople), Birdhouse in Your Soul, Don't Let's Start, Ana Ng, She's an Angel, The Statue Got Me High, etc. don't necessarily sound revolutionary in the traditional sense. But they seem to have helped establish a vocabulary for a kind of alternative songwriting where being clever, weird, funny, emotionally detached, and poppy could all coexist.

And I wonder if their influence becomes more obvious when you compare them to a lot of post-2000 indie music.

A huge amount of modern indie has that somewhat towned-down, understated, self-aware, sardonic quality. The vocals are often deliberately un-grand, the arrangements can be simple or slightly twee, the lyrics can be observational or ironic, and there's often a kind of “I'm making a song about this ridiculous little thing because why not?” attitude.

Obviously, TMBG didn't invent irony, nerdiness, lo-fi music, quirky songwriting, or indie pop. And there are plenty of other artists who were doing similar things before them. But they seem like an unusually early and concentrated example of something that later became much more normal in alternative/indie music: the idea that you don't have to be cool, macho, tortured, profound, or conventionally “rock” to make sophisticated music.

What's especially interesting to me is that their silliness doesn't necessarily make the music less sophisticated. In some ways, the silliness gives them more freedom. They can jump between genres, structures, lyrical perspectives, and subjects without having to maintain a serious artistic persona.

So I'm wondering: were They Might Be Giants actually more musically/culturally revolutionary than they get credit for?

Not “revolutionary” in the political sense, obviously, but revolutionary in the sense that they helped normalize a particular kind of intellectual, absurdist, sarcastic, deliberately uncool, pop-oriented indie songwriting.

Or am I retroactively giving them too much credit because their style happens to resemble a lot of indie music that came later?

I'm especially curious how people who listened to them in the '80s and '90s perceived them at the time. Did they feel genuinely weird and groundbreaking then, or did they mostly just seem like a particularly funny/quirky alternative band?

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u/devils_acolyte — 12 days ago

Guestbook hidden clues (Does Steven Read the Hounslow Herald? )

https://requiemforavillage.com/guestbook/ Link

1. "D. Harland" is the name of the first poster in the Guest Book. Now there's a certain guy who goes by the name of D. Harlan Wilson who wrote a cultography book about the movie "They Live". So I thought maybe there's a pattern there.

"Nice site, I can never leave" (27-03-1883)

2. One of the other posts is by "Margeret Cole", a British author, who wrote a book with the name Wilson in the title. "Superintendant Wilson's Holiday" .. it was posted on 2nd February 1924

= 24

3. 24th February 1964

Another entry in the Guest Book..

"I watch the birds for signs. They fly in perfect circles"

24th February 1964 is the 55th day of the leap year

"Lovely fête [feast] this year, even if the weather turned. Thank you to everyone on the clear-up crew. Already looking forward to next August." - 2nd-February-1924

4.. 24th March 1955

"Good to see the societies page up. Bowls club meets Mondays, flat shoes only, as it says! Secretary enquiries to the parish clerk." By R. Marsh (south park)

  1. Arthur Pendelton

2nd january 1977 Arthur Pendelton "My wife writes to say her Women's Institute presentation on the history on dark paganism was well attended in the Village hall. Splendid web site! Arthur"

25th August 1997 "Mrs. Pendelton's sampler talk was excellent. Competition entries on the table by 7:15 please."

The Whispering Woods: The Unsolved Disappearance of Arthur Pendelton https://hounslowherald.com/the-whispering-woods-the-unsolved-disappearance-of-arthur-pendelton-p32257-390.html

Next.

6. 7 November 1998 Mrs. P. Avery (The Zodiac Killer Hunter's wife, Mrs. Paul Avery)

A Cryptographer

"Lost dog: last seen running across the field behind the school playground. I can hear him howling. If seen please do not approach, but call in at post office."

A murder scene..

Because the Zodiac Killer would always message/send by post his information to the SFPD, who never caught him....

What are y'alls thoughts on this?

u/devils_acolyte — 1 month ago

LOL

That's not a coincidence. Lol. SW having some fun with the meme, eh. Or new Train-themed song on the album?

Trains

u/devils_acolyte — 1 month ago

Constant synchronicities.

Constant synchronicities. Like 20-40 times a day. Anyone else have this? It mostly happens to music, TV etc., but also IRL., people saying my thoughts out loud at random, lol, or ''responding'' to it.

Mandatory example.. Was just thinking about someone I like & haven't seen in a while.. Thought maybe I can meet up again etc. I put on a random podcast (that I've already watched) First thing I hear is ''That will never happen''

Another example I was listening to Tally Hall when I went shopping.. “And we arrive at the mega-mart” as soon as I park my bike outside the (large) store.. “We’re in the mini-mall, working the carnival” .. there was a Carnival in my town that week .. “Going once, going twice, every man here has a price” When paying my groceries at the counter..

“Step by step” when I saw a person on a step (Dutch word for scooter) pass by in an otherwise empty street late night

The cycle starts again” Haken 1985 every time I would get back on my bicycle (I live in the Netherlands it’s a common mode of transport here).

I also had a phase where every time I would leave the house, when I opened or closed the door the lyrics always said the word “door”. probably like 75% of me openings doors happened to the exact word “door”

I have many more of these but was wondering if other people experience these constantly as well? Yes these are mostly vehicle/transport related but the more emotional or profound ones are difficult to remember.

Anyone else recognizes this?

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u/devils_acolyte — 2 months ago

Why did you join Freemasonry?

Why do you join Freemasonry? What degree are you at and what do you think of it now? What expectations did you have? Do you want to further your career at Freemasonry, or quit where you are now?

Are you obliged to hide certain information and share other? What are your plans for the next 3 years?

What makes you want to quit or further your career in Freemasonry? Is there a level 33 secret? Is it exciting?

Just looking for answers here on a human level.

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u/devils_acolyte — 3 months ago