u/gabeg777

Kara Zor-El character analysis

I have character analyses for pre-Crisis Earth-1 Kara Zor-El, post-Crisis Kara Zor-L, post-Crisis Matrix, post-Crisis Maxima, and other super family characters at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HRpHOx4wala71bgT9QExSVKWTo-qONDH?usp=drive_link

I have versions which can be edited and where additional analyses can be added if anyone likes this idea and wants to make this a group project at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1d6TRaOXoPf17dI95NovGjvr4qSwj_xbp?usp=drive_link

Matrix is upset with herself when she hurts people (2).

Matrix likes helping people with their requests (1) though she doesn't always understand them.

Matrix trusts Jonathan and Martha Kent (3). She considers Kal-El to be a friend (4).

1: The Adventures of Superman (1987 series) #448, 450, 454, 456

2: The Adventures of Superman (1987 series) #450

3: The Adventures of Superman (1987 series) #453

4: The Adventures of Superman (1987 series) #488

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u/gabeg777 — 3 days ago

civilian opinion of the bats

Children enjoying being around Bruce when he's Batman. They feel comfortable around him. Authors vary as to how comfortable adults are around Batman. The first story in Batman Chronicles #19 showed Batman wanting civilians to be scared of him but other stories, including the Tim story in Batman: Urban Legends #10, show them being nervous and wary of Batman. Bruce focuses on his goals over interacting with people.

Dick is very skilled at handling civilians and they like him as Nightwing. People are very comfortable around him, he's able to calm people down, and children like learning from him.

Jason is helpful with women, whether he's Robin or Red Hood.

Tim, whether he's Robin or Red Robin, is very good at helping people verbally but, like Bruce, he focuses on his crime-fighting goals over helping people. His main goal is to help Bruce and the other bats but he does care deeply about protecting the people of Gotham.

Damian as Robin is rarely shown with civilians and his assassin training means they could be uncomfortable with him at first but I expect his compassion, especially obvious when he's around animals, would make people more comfortable with him.

Duke enjoys helping community groups and civilians are comfortable around him when he's Signal. Unlike most of the bats, and most heroes at pro-police DC, Duke focuses on requests for help from civilians instead of requests from honest police officers. He didn't even trust Commissioner Gordon at first.

Gotham's people love having Barbara's Batgirl protecting people. She gets along well with them and is trusted. She ran as a political candidate and won. There was a young girl who enjoyed spending time with Batgirl in pre-Crisis comics. When Batgirl was shot by an assassin, that girl was worried about her safety.

Stephanie is a very good babysitter. She knows how to calm children down, whether she's Spoiler or Robin or Batgirl, and children have been shown worrying about her safety, as in Batgirl (2009) #24.

Helena, as the Huntress, is very skilled at handling children and her job as a teacher helps her know how to help them. She listens to civilians and is more willing to take their requests seriously than she is to respect police officers, even honest ones. She takes people seriously even when they disagree with her.

Cassandra, like Damian, is scary at first sight with strange instincts and less knowledge of societal expectations than Damian has, but Gotham's civilians are shown as being comfortable around her whether she's Batgirl or Orphan. She takes requests for assistance from people very seriously and, like Duke and Helena, shows more respect to children and other civilians than she does to honest police officers. Her cape is an extended shoulder for getting her attention. She's not good at making people feel better verbally but her impulsive protectiveness and attentiveness to their feelings are appreciated by people. People are comfortable arguing with Batgirl. She enjoys teaching people how to protect themselves. Civilians worry about her safety when she gets injured. It's never been shown but, looking at how seriously she takes requests from civilians for small tasks and having fun and how little she liked her father's controlling her decisions, I think she'd enjoy indulging children's curiosity and letting them drag her off to show her things they find interesting or help them with tasks that they consider to be important. She's willing to risk her health in order to make people feel safe even when protecting their lives doesn't require putting themselves at risk.

Superman is the only major hero I know of who has scenes where civilians worry about their safety. Barbara, Cassandra, Dick, and Stephanie also have that type of scene which says how important they are to Gotham's and Bludhaven's populace.

Cassandra's Batgirl and Clark's Superman are the only heroes I know of where their capes are shown in comics to be used to comfort civilians and get the heroes' attention. Cassandra, Helena, Peter Parker in modern comics where civilians aren't scared of Spider-Man, and Wally West are the only heroes I know of who are shown with civilians calmly arguing with them without hating them or worrying that the hero will arrest or attack them. Batman and Superman are more often shown with people being nervous when they disagree with the hero though both of them are willing to take the argument seriously and Superman has been shown changing his stance.

Cassandra, Kara Zor-El in Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow, Peter Parker, and Raven of the Teen Titans are the only heroes I know of who are willing to put themselves at risk in order to cheer people up and not just to save lives.

It seems to me that Barbara (before she was shot by the Joker), Cassandra, Dick, Duke, Helena, and Stephanie are the favorite bats of civilians and the ones who people most enjoy being rescued by and spending time with.

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u/gabeg777 — 3 days ago

Cass as big sister

Cass is a big sister but there are a few stories that agree with my thinking that, if children need more support from her, she'll supply it even though she has a hard time thinking of herself as a good person and sister, let alone a parent.

The story, "Woof woof, it's the sound of the police" at https://archiveofourown.org/works/82767411/chapters/217904971 has Cass serving as a caretaker for homeless Jason by supplying him with food and teaching him how to protect himself.

"Untrimmable Lights", at https://archiveofourown.org/works/48048418/chapters/121153249, puts more focus on the parenting aspect. Most readers, and Alfred and Bruce in the story, only caught Tim parenting Cass as that's the explicit element but it looks to me like the author was also writing Cass as becoming Tim's parent through her emotional support of him. In chapter 17, Tim gets upset at the idea of Cass not being with him every day. In chapter 18, Tim is stressed at Cass not being with him. In chapters 20-21, Cass accidentally hurts Tim while helping him with his katas and runs away. He gets stressed and goes to find her, partly because he's worried about her but also because he's upset at not having his sister. Cass as Tim's parent is hard for me to not consider official after chapter 26 where Tim comments that Jack and Janet's disapproval doesn't bother him and that he only needs Cass' approval. Tim is trying to follow social conventions and claim that Jack and Janet are his parents but he only cares about Cass' approval, which sounds more like a parent than a big sister. In chapter 5 of Except by Addition, the sequel, Tim is worried that Cass will stop needing him. In chapter 3 of Except by Addition, Jason calls them "Tim-and-Cass", recognizing their influence on each other. In that same chapter, Cass comments that Tim only sleeps deeply when he's with her, no matter how physically uncomfortable their location is. In chapter 4 of Except by Addition, Jason comments that street kids always sleep together even though he regularly teases Tim as being a stupid rich kid. That feels like considering Tim to have elements of being in poverty as that's the condition of his actual parent. In chapter 6 of Except by Addition, Jason is insulting Jack Drake, possibly because he can't respect someone who lost their child to a homeless girl who couldn't speak. In chapter 5 of Except by Addition, Bruce comments that J'onn is invested in Cass' wellbeing, for some reason.

In "Darling's Girl" at https://archiveofourown.org/works/74190446/chapters/193598431, Cass gains a daughter. In chapter 3, Caly hides behind Cass' legs for safety and comfort when she encounters her father. In chapter 4, Cass' friend notices that her younger sister, Caly, accepts scolding from her and from Cass. In that same chapter, Caly asks her older sister if she can have both Cass and her as mothers.

These stories agree with my thinking from my AU of Cass encountering homeless children and ending up as their parent that, if people need more from her than being their big sister, she'll step up to the role, or at least the emotional support portion. Cass as a single parent would definitely go badly though.

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u/gabeg777 — 6 days ago

heroes who risk their lives to protect emotional and physical health

I know that superheroes generally risk their lives to protect people's lives. The vast majority also worry about helping people feel better emotionally but I'm uncertain how common it is to consider people's emotional health to be just as important as their physical safety. I know that Cassandra Cain and Raven have both been shown putting themselves in danger and, in Cass' case as a stealthy bat, refusing to hide in the shadows because people are scared or unhappy but saving lives didn't require risking their personal safety. Raven heals people even though she receives the pain and injuries of the people she's healing.

Is this common behavior and, if it isn't, what other heroes have been shown going this far to help people feel better?

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u/gabeg777 — 10 days ago
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heroes who risk their lives to protect emotional and physical health

I know that superheroes generally risk their lives to protect people's lives. The vast majority also worry about helping people feel better emotionally but I'm uncertain how common it is to consider people's emotional health to be just as important as their physical safety. I know that Cassandra Cain and Raven have both been shown putting themselves in danger and, in Cass' case as a stealthy bat, refusing to hide in the shadows because people are scared or unhappy but saving lives didn't require risking their personal safety. Raven heals people even though she receives the pain and injuries of the people she's healing.

Is this common behavior and, if it isn't, what other heroes have been shown going this far to help people feel better?

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u/gabeg777 — 10 days ago

character analyses, editable for collaboration

I have analyses of multiple heroes at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HRpHOx4wala71bgT9QExSVKWTo-qONDH?usp=drive_link

I have a second version where people can edit the analyses and add additional characters if anyone's interested in improving this project at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1d6TRaOXoPf17dI95NovGjvr4qSwj_xbp?usp=drive_link

Kal-El considers protecting people's lives to be important (1). He tries to obey laws but is willing to break them when saving lives (72). He tries to prevent civilians from being hurt when he's stopping enemies and prioritizes saving lives over catching criminals (10). When people are being threatened, he tries to become the target of the threat so that they'll be safe (5). He's upset with himself when he accidentally harms people or hurts their feelings (50). He's willing to sacrifice his happiness in order to protect others (60). He's angry with criminals and people who harm others (85). He dislikes people who cheat other people out of money they earned (41). He's not willing to be unfair or dishonest in his treatment of people (68). He tries to help people with their livelihoods without cheating them out of their income (3). Protecting property is something that he considers to be a priority (6). He usually is unwilling to let criminals die (9), but is willing to kill criminals who are especially cruel (43). When he was Superboy, he was willing to perform small tasks for people, but thought of them as meaningless (53). As Superman, he enjoys helping out with small tasks, like making meals and acting as a snowplow (38). Kal-El is obedient to requests that people make when they want his help or simply to spend time with him (46). He's upset when he sees animals and people who are hurting (66). He's determined to protect people even when he doesn't have his superpowers (65).

Kal-El enjoys cheering people up (19). He's willing to ignore minor crimes if they're done because the person is desperate (32). He dislikes lying (4) though he'll do so if it's necessary to avoid upsetting people (11) or to protect his secret identity (37). He's averse to breaking his promises (34). He's unhappy when people are scared of him (48). He enjoys helping people become wiser and more skilled and more self-confident (2). He sometimes plays tricks on people, often women, when he thinks they're being a brat (45). He doesn't remain upset with people who cause him problems while trying to help him or other people (58). He's willing to help criminals who are trying to reform find a law-abiding place in society as part of giving them a chance to change (24). He's able to perform medical operations if the doctor's equipment can't detect problems that he can (18). He pretends to be timid as Clark Kent in order to keep people from suspecting that he's Superman (8). He sometimes pretends to disrespect Superman as Clark in an attempt to keep people from linking him to Superman (29). He likes helping charities raise money (23). Kal-El was in an orphanage before the Kents adopted him so he likes helping orphans and orphanages (22). He's often willing to accept lighthearted teasing (35). He's prideful and is upset when other people are more competent than him (28). He's annoyed when he feels like people are not respecting him (55). He sometimes assumes people are lying or suspicious based on past mistakes they made that he assumes were on purpose, but is willing to apologize when he's wrong (31). He's enraged when people he loves are hurt (56).

When he was Superboy, Kal-El had fun with his powers and sometimes played with them while helping people (52). He was more impulsive and reckless as a teenager than he is as an experienced adult (80). He likes ridiculing criminals (71). As a teenager, he was willing to pull pranks (79). As a teenager, he enjoyed collecting minerals (57). He values his Kryptonian heritage (69). He doesn't need to sleep and tries to avoid boredom at night (73). He drinks milk instead of alcohol in bars (75). He enjoys beef bourguignon (81).

Kal-El sometimes considers his role as Superman to be more important than his Clark Kent identity (70). He isn't too proud to ask for or accept help when he needs it (40). He greatly respects people who are brave while not having super powers (47). He sometimes envies people without powers and is lonely as Superman (74). He's only willing to marry if his wife knows his secret identity and he doesn't have to worry about her safety (44). He often underestimates the competence of females and is confused by their behavior (64).

Kal-El is clever when making plans (14). He's a very skilled general scientist and engineer (26). He's a skilled ventriloquist (21).

At first, Kal-El had no memories of his Kryptonian parents because the planet exploded when he was a baby (25). Later, he started gaining memories from when he was a baby (62). He wishes he could experience living on Krypton with his birth parents (42). He takes the advice and lessons from his Earth parents seriously (30). He's sentimental over the memories of his Earth parents (77). He's friends with Barry Allen (78). He admires Batman (33). He considers Bruce Wayne to be a friend (49). He admires Wonder Woman and her skill with her bracelets (83). He is friendly towards Diana (84). He's friends with Dick Grayson (54). He considers Jimmy Olsen to be a friend (36). He is protective of Jimmy Olsen's safety (7). He doesn't like hurting Jimmy emotionally (16). He cares deeply for his cousin Kara Zor-El (63). He was friends with Lana Lang when he lived in Smallville (39). While living in Smallville, Lex Luthor was a friend of his until Lex blamed him for the accident that caused him to lose his hair (67). He has romantic feelings for Lois Lane (12). He occasionally considers Lois' feelings for Superman to make his life harder (13). He sometimes considers Lois to be unable to protect herself without his help and to be unwise and impulsive (27). He's very protective of Lois' safety (15). He loves Lori Lemaris enough to stop being Superman for her (51). After Lori married Ronal, he still has great affection for Lori (61). He has strong romantic feelings for Lyla Lerrol (59). He considers Mr. Mxyzptlk to be very annoying (20). He considers Pete Ross to be a very good friend (17). Kal-El dislikes Steve Lombard's ego and pranks (76). He trusts Vartox and they're friendly towards each other (82).

1: Superman (1939 series) #91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 100, 101, 102, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 112, 113, 114, 115, 118, 119, 121, 122, 123, 125, 126, 128, 129, 130, 131, 136, 137, 139, 143, 144, 145, 147, 148, 150, 152, 153, 156, 158, 161, 163, 164, 169, 170, 171, 176, 178, 181, 184, 185, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 195, 196, 199, 200, 203, 204, 205, 206, 208, 210, 214, 216, 218, 220, 223, 224, 225, 228, 229, 234, 235, 236, 237, 240, 241, 244, 246, 249, 250, 251, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 273, 274, 275, 276, 278, 279, 280, 283, 286, 288, 289, 290, 292, 293, 294, 296, 297, 300, 301, 303, 304, 305, 307, 308, 311, 312, 313, 314, 316, 318, 319, 320, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 330, 333, 335, 336, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 350, 351, 352, 353, 354, 358, 359, 361, 362, 363, 364, 365, 369, 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 376, 379, 380, 381, 383, 384, 385, 386, 388, 389, 391, 392, 393, 394, 396, 397, 398, 399, 400, 405, 406, 408, 411, 412, 418, 422, 423, Annual 9, Annual 10, Annual 12, Special 1, Special 2

2: Superman (1939 series) #91, 93, 95, 101, 107, 109, 112, 116, 134, 152, 169, 170, 214, 236, 243, 247, 282, 290, 332, 334, 352, 367, 378, 380, 385, 386, 405, 408, 420, Special 2

3: Superman (1939 series) #92, 107, 112, 115, 124, 130, 131, 142, 198, 199, 210, 260, 280, 290, 373

4: Superman (1939 series) #92, 130, 138, 283

5: Superman (1939 series) #92, 97, 176, 210, 248, 270, 364, 393

6: Superman (1939 series) #93, 102, 114, 143, 144, 148, 154, 160, 165, 177, 199, 226, 240, 259, 287, 291, 298, 301, 310, 342, 354, 362, 371, 376, 378, 380, 383, 385, 393, 403, 406, 408

7: Superman (1939 series) #93, 95, 121, 172, 191, 355, 373, 396, Annual 10

8: Superman (1939 series) #93, 94, 101, 103, 127, 129, 138, 139, 142, 144, 155, 173, 174, 182, 209, 210, 211, 219, 226, 271, 274, 277, 285, 292, 311, 339, 344, 350, 353, 356, 357, 365, 370, 391

9: Superman (1939 series) #93, 113, 133, 142, 148, 164, 167, 171, 180, 186, 191, 204, 221, 248, 253, 257, 261, 265, 282, 287, 291, 298, 299, 302, 310, 323, 325, 331, 337, 338, 341, 355, 359, 363, 366, Annual 10

10: Superman (1939 series) #93, 97, 105, 106, 108, 110, 124, 136, 160, 172, 185, 190, 191, 208, 210, 219, 244, 248, 249, 253, 256, 257, 259, 267, 268, 269, 274, 276, 289, 301, 305, 330, 334, 340, 353, 355, 371, 372, 376, 378, 379, 383, 386, 387, 392, 393, 422

11: Superman (1939 series) #94

12: Superman (1939 series) #94, 99, 121, 124, 129, 135, 136, 192, 194, 210, 215, 216, 224, 287, 297, 298, 314, 322, 333, 335, 342, 347, 350, 351, 353, 366, 368, 382

13: Superman (1939 series) #94, 102, 119, 208

14: Superman (1939 series) #94, 97, 98, 101, 108, 109, 110, 112, 113, 115, 118, 128, 129, 130, 133, 140, 148, 155, 167, 169, 184, 208, 218, 226, 256, 291

15: Superman (1939 series) #95, 99, 104, 116, 120, 121, 123, 125, 129, 136, 138, 151, 156, 165, 169, 173, 180, 191, 201, 204, 209, 214, 216, 224, 237, 238, 244, 281, 287, 306, 311, 317, 321, 333, 335, 346, 353, 362, 363, 368, 381

16: Superman (1939 series) #95

17: Superman (1939 series) #270, 284, 374

18: Superman (1939 series) #96

19: Superman (1939 series) #96, 97, 99, 100, 109, 110, 112, 114, 116, 117, 122, 127, 130, 131, 133, 136, 139, 141, 142, 143, 147, 153, 161, 163, 166, 169, 170, 179, 180, 181, 184, 185, 215, 216, 218, 221, 225, 247, 254, 273, 280, 285, 351, 354, 359, 372, 405

20: Superman (1939 series) #96, 103, 105, 131, 135, 148, 150, 154, 169, 171, 174, 218, 283, 290, 335, 349, 351, 407, 421

21: Superman (1939 series) #99, 101, 108, 109, 111, 133, 138, 151, 152, 155, 156, 157, 161, 184, 185, 186, 190, 213, 216, 221, 228, 229, 261, 269, 279, 283, 287, 290, 302, 333, 357, 372, 395, 420, Annual 9

22: Superman (1939 series) #99, 110, 114, 122, 131, 144, 147, 216, 225, 275, 352, 364, 403, Special 2

23: Superman (1939 series) #100, 101, 102, 103, 106, 109, 112, 114, 116, 121, 123, 127, 130, 133, 136, 144, 147, 148, 152, 153, 160, 169, 177, 179, 186, 199, 219, 225, 248, 280, 291, 399, 406, 413

24: Superman (1939 series) #100, 157, 173, 403

25: Superman (1939 series) #100, 105, 106, 128, 130, 137, 146, 150, 172, 249, 255, 275, 328, 409

26: Superman (1939 series) #103, 116, 124, 128, 130, 136, 139, 140, 142, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 152, 156, 157, 166, 174, 177, 180, 181, 185, 186, 190, 192, 200, 201, 208, 213, 223, 224, 225, 249, 266, 267, 284, 329, 360, 379, 392, 414, 416, Annual 12

27: Superman (1939 series) #104, 121, 132, 238, 244

28: Superman (1939 series) #104, 125, 172, 174, 223, 224, 308

29: Superman (1939 series) #104

30: Superman (1939 series) #105, 128, 137, 146, 156, 161, 352, 362, 381, 410

31: Superman (1939 series) #106, 120, 125, 157, 172, 340, 347, 373, 422

32: Superman (1939 series) #107

33: Superman (1939 series) #107, 158, 275, 285, 317, 339, 405, Annual 9

34: Superman (1939 series) #109, 126, 130, 139, 142, 147, 155, 167, 179, 223, 246, 254, 326

35: Superman (1939 series) #109, 115, 136

36: Superman (1939 series) #111, 115, 123, 127, 144, 150, 158, 164, 171, 172, 173, 177, 186, 219, 236, 328, 355, 387, 401, 410, 418, Annual 10, Special 2

37: Superman (1939 series) #111

38: Superman (1939 series) #112, 114, 127, 133, 142, 174, 290, 409

39: Superman (1939 series) #116, 380, 381

40: Superman (1939 series) #116, 126, 127, 156, 177, 206, 228, 240, 271, 285, 323, 353, 354, 402, 409

41: Superman (1939 series) #121, 128, 143, 151, 211, 341

42: Superman (1939 series) #123, 141, 158, 205, 307, Annual 11

43: Superman (1939 series) #123, 226, 229, 262

44: Superman (1939 series) #120, 121, 124, 162, 243

45: Superman (1939 series) #126, 142, 150, 151, 161, 163, 176, 180, 181, 210, 241, 261, 283, 334, 406

46: Superman (1939 series) #127, 134, 135, 142, 146, 161, 163, 166, 171, 198, 240, 243, 254, 307, 362, 372, 380, 399, 422

47: Superman (1939 series) #127, 226, 247, 422

48: Superman (1939 series) #128, 134, 168, 280, Annual 10

49: Superman (1939 series) #128, 132, 142, 156, 173, 186, 236, 258, 268, 279, 400, Annual 9, Annual 11

50: Superman (1939 series) #129, 130, 144, 154, 161, 174, 175, 189, 201, 226, 228, 229, 242, 244, 249, 254, 260, 278, 280, 301, 311, 312, 320, 355, 362, 408, 421

51: Superman (1939 series) #129, 135, 139

52: Superman (1939 series) #131, 136, 144, 359, 374

53: Superman (1939 series) #131

54: Superman (1939 series) #132, 156

55: Superman (1939 series) #135, 164, 169, 181, 221, 229, 235, 240, 308, 321, 322, 328, 337, 419

56: Superman (1939 series) #135

57: Superman (1939 series) #136, 146

58: Superman (1939 series) #136, 172, 174, 198, 214, 219, 246, 256, 267, 273, 276, 309, 345, 347, 372, 399

59: Superman (1939 series) #141, 156, 158, 189, Annual 11

60: Superman (1939 series) #141

61: Superman (1939 series) #146, 148, 157, 165

62: Superman (1939 series) #156, 172, 275

63: Superman (1939 series) #156, 158, 177, 179, 195, 309, 312, 313, 338, 365, 373, 376, 401, 414

64: Superman (1939 series) #126, 150, 156, 196, 201, 203, 244, 261, 334, 373

65: Superman (1939 series) #155, 158, 228, 229, 237, 240, 249, 263, 290

66: Superman (1939 series) #165, 246, 275, 288, 324, 409, Special 3

67: Superman (1939 series) #173, 175, 282, 292

68: Superman (1939 series) #133, 174, 177, 199, 289

69: Superman (1939 series) #176, 218, 414

70: Superman (1939 series) #182, 186, 224

71: Superman (1939 series) #233

72: Superman (1939 series) #234, 244, 256, 257

73: Superman (1939 series) #236, 258, 408

74: Superman (1939 series) #241, 243, 247

75: Superman (1939 series) #292

76: Superman (1939 series) #264, 265, 266, 267, 269, 270, 273, 277, 278, 280, 282, 286, 297, 302, 311, 328, 377, Annual 9

77: Superman (1939 series) #270, 327, 359, 360, 362, 363, 369

78: Superman (1939 series) #274

79: Superman (1939 series) #292

80: Superman (1939 series) #292, 381

81: Superman (1939 series) #319, 381

82: Superman (1939 series) #356, 357, 373, 374, 375, 390, 392

83: Superman (1939 series) #376

84: Superman (1939 series) Annual 11

85: Superman (1939 series) Annual 11, Annual 12, Special 1, Special 2, Special 3

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u/gabeg777 — 11 days ago

Cass may be part of the cast in Absolute Catwoman. If that's true then, unlike with the Robins, DC isn't interested in promoting her presence though that may be because Scott Snyder wants to keep her as a surprise for now. Possibly Shiva and Cass are the assailants mentioned in the synopsis for issue 2.

u/gabeg777 — 15 days ago

This page from Batman: Pennyworth RIP, which James Tynion was involved in writing, says explicitly that Cass and Kate are not part of Bruce's family while Barbara is part of his family. This agrees with Chip Zdarksky's run on Batman. How does this comic get aligned with the idea that Batgirl (2008) #6 is still canon?

Instead, it glorifies Bruce with Dick quoting Alfred as saying that Batman's existence saved the world. Supposedly, the world would have died if Batman had never existed and everyone else is useless.

u/gabeg777 — 19 days ago

Most of the time Cass is very easygoing and willing to indulge people's requests especially when she's operating as Batgirl. When her protective instincts activate though, she's bossy as Steph knows very well. She's scary when she's in a rage, often over people being cruel to others, as the violence that her father taught her comes out. Most of the time though, she shows less need than other heroes to hide when she's uncertain how to handle a situation and needs help. Most of them only ask authority figures and people they're close to for help while Batgirl asks young children to help her read things and civilians get nervous when they realize she's unsure how to defuse a bomb. Batman and Spider-Man act more confident around civilians but civilians can trust that Batgirl is being honest with them. Civilians and Steph have more trust in Batgirl's compassion than she has in herself.

Cass rarely shows enthusiasm when interacting with people as Batgirl. She focuses on what will make other people happy instead of expressing any happiness she may have.

Civilians are also very comfortable with Dick when he's operating as Nightwing, Duke in his Signal uniform, and Steph whether she's Batgirl or Robin. They're better at sharing enthusiasm and happiness with other people.

Is it common, at least in DC comics where heroes are more trusted than at Marvel, for civilians to be willing to argue with heroes and order them around as Cass allows? Cass' letting children drag her around in Batgirl (2000) #16 and Batgirls #11 is fun to see. I'm especially curious if there are other heroes who follow civilians while distrusting the police. If it's uncommon, what other heroes have civilians arguing with them but not protesting their presence, as happens to Superman in 1970s comics and the recent Superman movie?

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u/gabeg777 — 23 days ago

Cass doesn't have any parent who tried to help her grow as a person consistently though Barbara did the most to help her. Steph's mother is more supportive of her than any of Cass'.

David is the only parent who has never abandoned Cass, which is probably part of why she's unable to completely abandon him emotionally. He caused her pain when she made mistakes but didn't run away from her. He treated her as a tool and left her with fighting as the only way she knew how to interact with people (she learned charades and how to read people's emotions on her own) but he never left her. Even after she becomes Batgirl, he still thinks of her as his daughter in his cruel treatment of children.

Bruce cares for Cass but he's not very supportive of her. After Infinite Crisis, Bruce and the Batboys left Gotham to find themselves but didn't think of what Cass needed. This is while Cass is thinking of herself as a failure in the aftermath of Batgirl (2000) #68-73. She needed emotional help and Alfred was apparently the only person who was there for her, helping her with ESL classes and convincing her that she's worthy of being Batgirl when she abandoned it and was considering not returning to Gotham at the end of Batgirl #73. Bruce left Gotham under Two-Face's protection instead of Cass' or Helena's, which furthered his abandonment of Cass. In Batgirl (2000) #58, he said that he thought of Cass as a potential heir to Batman but he then shows that he has more trust in villainous and supposedly reformed Harvey Dent then Cass. Bruce's abandonment of Cass and refusal to trust her made it easier for Deathstroke to drug and brainwash her. While Cass was drugged, Bruce knew what Cass was doing and that she was killing people as shown in Supergirl (2005) #14. He did nothing to stop Cass or help her and apparently thought that Cass was doing well as a murderer. After Bruce returns from the time stream, he tells Alfred that he sees no reason to contact Cass even though she's falling apart in Hong Kong and behaving abnormally, including leaving civilians in fear which she refused to do in Bludhaven and Gotham. There's no evidence that he ever interacted with Cass during the entire Batman Inc period. Bruce considered Steph to be more important than the daughter he adopted and claimed that he would never abandon, showing that claim to be a lie.

Shiva ignored Cass until she had become Batgirl. Unlike Cass' other parents though, she has good reason to not be a good parent to Cass. Cass' existence is a reminder of the trauma that David caused to Sandra. It's not surprising that it took a long time for her to figure out how to handle interacting with Cass.

Barbara is Cass' best parent but she also abandoned Cass instead of showing unconditional love as a parent should. Bruce Wayne: The Road Home: Batgirl and Red Robin (2009) #17 both state that Tim is the only person in contact with Cass. Barbara could have contacted Cass to see how she was doing in Hong Kong but she focused on her team and Steph over Cass. She also didn't do anything to help Cass while she was running the League of Assassins and killing people.

David is the only parent who has shown Cass unconditional love and is the closest she has ever had to a caregiver. It's not surprising that she doesn't know how to completely abandon the violence she learned from him. Batgirl (2000) #3 shows how she doesn't know any methods of comforting people other than how her father treated her. That's shown when she covers the child's eyes in an attempt to calm her down because that's what David did when she was too noisy. Cass' training of Steph and other people, after her first attempt in Batgirl (2000) #28, shows that she eventually figures out that David's ways aren't good for other people and realizes how bad she is with children on top of her lack of trust in herself.

Batgirl (2000) makes clear that Cass has no idea how to be a caregiver for children. I find it interesting to consider how Cass could learn to be one as it's easy to think of situations where she'd end up trying. If Cass ran into children left alone by their overworked parents working long hours at low-paying jobs to afford food, housing, school supplies, etc while patrolling as Batgirl, I can't see her leaving the children unprotected and without company. I'm certain she'd end up babysitting the children unless one of the other bats could come over and babysit instead. After learning that the parents regularly need to leave the children alone as they can't afford to pay a babysitter and the other parents in the neighborhood are also overworked, she'd either regularly babysit them herself if no other bat had time to do so. If she ran into homeless orphans who ran away from Gotham's badly run child services and horrible foster parents, she'd refuse to leave them without protection. There's no way she'd be an invisible guardian angel as she'd need them to know that someone cares about them instead of leaving them depressed. I can't see them not trusting her as she regularly checks up on them and keeps them from being lonely and feeling abandoned. Bruce gets discussed as a parent even though he's not a good one so I see no reason not to think of Cass' abilities and failures if she had to become a caregiver. At a minimum, Cass is unwilling to ask for help when she needs it but is very willing to request aide when other people are the beneficiaries and she thinks others are more able to provide assistance. I think she'd be more willing than Bruce to get help on being a caregiver or parent. He thinks he has to do everything on his own.

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u/gabeg777 — 26 days ago

character analyses for Flashes

I have character analyses for Pre-Crisis Earth-1 Barry Allen and Post-Crisis Wally West at https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HRpHOx4wala71bgT9QExSVKWTo-qONDH?usp=drive_link

Wally West likes making jokes (2). He has a lot of pride in his speed and doesn't appreciate being looked down on (4). He doesn't hide that he's the Flash from anyone (1).

Wally has an intense dislike of Mr. Mxyzptlk (3).

1: The Adventures of Superman (1987 series) #463

2: The Adventures of Superman (1987 series) #463

3: The Adventures of Superman (1987 series) #463

4: The Adventures of Superman (1987 series) #463

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u/gabeg777 — 28 days ago