r/BatFamily

First off Foxy is autistic, so pronouns are mess. Foxy will try to keep consistent. Also, Foxy is semi verbal, so has super hard time making understandable words (think early movie stitch from Lilo and Stitch) and struggles understanding others. So please, make small paragraphs and simpler words. 

Also AAC = Talky things on iPad. 

To be clear, Foxy adores Cass. She his favourite. But Foxy has seen things in fandom and comics that bother Foxy a lot so let’s go.

1. Foxy hates hates hates the telepath rewiring her brain thing.

To cure Foxy’s autism, you’d have to do something similar to Foxy. And Foxy considers that murder. Cause autism, and semi verbalness is who Foxy is. Big part at least. Semi verbal makes so many things different for Foxy. The same applies to Cass. 

Foxy is not against her eventually speaking. That happens all the time with autistic kids and people after strokes. Heck Foxy 

in speech therapy! Foxy would love it if Cass got speech through therapy (and used an AAC which is tangent for other day). Foxy hates that it was done to Cass not through her own efforts, but against her will too for some rando’s convience. 

Also why is there no AAC offered to her like ever? She’d probably be able to figure it out easy peasy, and AAC can help kids understand and talk better! She already uses gestures, and the way it works is similar. Action = reward. 

Foxy doesn’t know how to fully express how this grosses Foxy out, but Foxy hates it, especially cause there was better options.

Also Foxy hates hates hates the idea that she is too hard to write. Y’all wrote WallE. A robot who doesn’t speak, but still conveys emotion. How the hell are non verbal people harder to write?!

1. Cass is not silent, or really that mysterious.

 

Foxy understands there is trope of mysterious Asian assassin. But is she really that mysterious? Or silent? She’s very expressive. She gets to have thoughts and feelings. Foxy is not silent either. Foxy communicates just fine with people who listen/see. 

Also the fanon trope of her being perfect emotional support is stupid. She struggles with empathy eg. Understanding other people’s reasoning. She punched Steph for stopping her from doing stuff. Is it cause she’s semi verbal or a girl?

1. Cass cannot use sign language (at least not ASL) any better than English

Cass has big struggles in receptive (and expressive) language. Which means she can talk fine, but struggles to understand people. Even without the telepath, Foxy thinks she has slower understanding but need to fact check. ASL is a language. It is not just random gestures.

Foxy’s disability similar. Sometimes, words (both page and mouth) either are blurry/ don’t exist (eg can’t hear them) or don’t make sense. Foxy could hear doctor talking today  but can’t understand what is happening. Foxy’s carer had to tell them to take off shoe. 

 Foxy can’t learn ASL. Only reason Foxy so good at words is cause Foxy’s langauge got really bad only year ago. So Foxy learnt language and works off what he remembers. Foxy literally cannot learn new things well. 

Also if you really wanted sign, there is Makatron. It’s basically really simple toddler level sign language. It’s designed for people like Foxy and Cass who have language difficulty.

I read a fic (don't remember what it was) when Bruce was confronted by dark/evil variations of the Robins & Batgirls. It had me thinking, Batman has evil variations from the multiverse but what about the others? I thought of this:

• Dick Grayson - Talon Commander of the Court of Owls
• Jason Todd - King of the Untitled
• Tim Drake - Joker Junior/Joker II
• Cassandra Cain - The One Who Is All
• Damian Wayne - Ra's al Ghul, Leader of the League

I couldn't think of a variation for Stephanie & Duke. What evil variations would you make for them?

Most of us are aware that Batman's characterization changes between writers. In some characterizations, I think it would make complete sense for Bruce to be trauma informed - both as a foster parent and as a first responder.

Does anyone know of any fanfiction that depict Bruce/Batman in this way?

Comic ages are confusing especially among Batman characters but how old do you think each members are?

Something to note is that Batman was 25 when he started and Knightfall takes 10 years into his career so he was 35 during that time and at least 5-10 years have passed since then.

My guesses are:

Batman - early to mid 40’s

Alfred - mid 70’s

Catwoman - late 30’s

Nightwing - late 20’s

Batgirl (Barbara) - late 20’s

Red Hood - mid 20’s

Robin (Tim) - late teens to early 20’s

Batgirl (Stephanie) - early 20’s

Robin (Damian) - mid teens

Huntress - late 20’s

Batwoman - early 30’s

The results of the survey I posted a few days ago are in! Here they are, in powerpoint format for you all. Apologies if the graphs are confusing; the online tools aren’t really set up to handle graphs with so many options and a wide range of values. Things should still be clear enough by the numbers and color-coding provided.

I hope you all find this as interesting as I did!

This is purely out of curiosity. No personal data is collected, and you’ll be able to see the results at the end! Take it here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfmUdedZlnTCiT-oWC\_uYDA7ZMFSHeJRB7W4dHUEyHQMwkr9Q/viewform?usp=dialog

I love crossovers and Percy Jackson/Batman crossovers are particularly good. I've read some really good ones. But I've noticed that a lot of very similar plot devices are getting a bit annoying.

1. Percy loses his mother and gets adopted by Bruce.

2. Bruce is a long lost relative of Percy's

3. Bruce is a relative of Annabeth

Yes there are others, some of the pairings a cute but I'd like to propose some new prompts.

1. Percy couldn't get into New Rome University and gets into Gotham University instead (to be fair I think I have seen this one done). He doesn't want to be a superhero but can't help but get involved in a case.

2. Nico is sent to collect the Joker, who has pulled a Sisyphus and cheats Death and now Thanatos won't go to collect him, so Hades sends Nico and Nico asks Percy to come as back up.

3. Percy is sent on a quest by Dionysus to lift a curse on Arkham Asylum.

4. Gotham reads a both a Wild place and a civilised one and Grover goes to investigate as part of his role as Lord of the Wild. Percy and Annabeth come along as back up, because satyrs don't come back from Gotham. Gotham has some really strange naiads, dryads etc.

5. Percy decides to train his ability with poison by trying to clean out the toxic waste that has leaked into the waters and soil around Gotham. Instead of poison his power is actually anti toxins.

6. Annabeth, Katie and Piper go to Gotham to investigate Poison Ivy. They aren't sure if she is a child of Demeter. (She isn't a demigod, she's just weird).

7. Annabeth and Percy go to investigate rumours about the Court of Owls, to see if they are connected to Athena. Maybe at the request of Athena? Even the gods don't get involved in Gotham

8. Somehow either Percy or Nico were the ones responsible for Jason's resurrection. Percy, when they were there in TLT or the Sword of Hades thing, or Nico basically anytime he was in or out of the underworld. Jason sees them around somewhere and comes to investigate them.

9. The Joker is a new monster archetype. Like the Minotaur gets resurrected, so does the Joker. Only if he's killed with Celestial Bronze will he stay dead. At least for a little while.

10. Instead of no gods around, there are too many gods around. Two Face attracts Tyche, Poison Ivy - Demeter or Persephone, Catwoman - Hermes, Scarecrow - Phobos. The only way to tidy up the city is to determine a city Patron, so like the contest between Athena and Poseidon for Athens, there is a new contest to be Patron of Gotham. I suggest Dionysus for the winner.

11. Athena really likes Batman. (This might even be canon). She gifts Bruce with a new demigod thought-baby. He contacts Wonder Woman who sends Annabeth to him for a briefing on what he can expect when raising a demigod. (Basically nothing he hasn't dealt with before.)

Yes, I know a lot of these are focused on Percy but he is my favourite character. Use or change them as you please, but post the link because I'd love to read them.

I do like when Percy becomes part of the Batfamily but I'd like it if that came at the end of the fic, after they'd learned to trust each other rather than starting off as part of the family.

I would prefer that the Gotham characters are not Demigods. They don't need to be connected to the gods to be strange. Too many demigods just makes the world feel smaller in my opinion. Humans are weird too.