PSA: Downgrade with Advanced Data Protection left my iCloud data inaccessible
▲ 52 r/iOSBeta+2 crossposts

PSA: Downgrade with Advanced Data Protection left my iCloud data inaccessible

Disclaimer: this is a long post, but I'm going to try to explain exactly what happened, step by step. I’m sharing as much detail as I can because I really hope this can help someone else avoid making the same mistake I stupidly made and potentially losing access to their data.

If you're on ADP and running iOS 27 or another beta, back up anything you can't afford to lose before you erase, restore or downgrade. That's really the point of this post.

TL;DR: I downgraded an iPhone Air from iOS 27 to iOS 26 while Advanced Data Protection was enabled. Afterward my iCloud data became completely inaccessible, including through iCloud.com, even though iCloud still shows the storage in use and things like my photo count. I've tried multiple iOS 26 and 27 betas plus the public releases, no change. Apple Support has escalated the case but has no fix, and support outside the U.S. has been close to nonexistent. If you have ADP enabled, back up independently and copy your data before you erase, restore, or downgrade.

I know there are people who'll read this and think "you should have had a backup." Honestly, they're right. I had more than twelve years of data in iCloud and trusted it far too much as the one place everything lived. I didn't keep an independent backup of everything, and that's on me.

But I'm still sharing this because nothing in the process I followed gave me any indication this could happen. My ADP-protected data is technically still there, iCloud says so, I just can't get to any of it.

What happened

I had an iPhone Air on iOS 27 with Advanced Data Protection turned on. Photos, Notes, passwords, passkeys, everything was syncing normally. I decided to downgrade back to iOS 26, using the same process I'd used for restores in the past: log out of iCloud, erase all content and settings, put the phone in DFU mode, restore to iOS 26, set it up again.

At no point during that process was there any mention of Advanced Data Protection, or any warning that logging out and erasing the device could cut off access to ADP-protected data. So I went ahead.

After the set-up, that data was gone. Not deleted exactly, just unreachable.

The data still shows up in iCloud, but I can't open it

This is the part that's been hardest to emotionally accept. My iCloud storage page still shows the space being used and the number of photos in my library, so the account clearly knows the data is there. I just can't access any of it, not from the phone, not from another device, not even through iCloud.com. It's not like ripping a band-aid, you see it right there and you can't do anything about it.

I've tried multiple iOS versions

To make sure this wasn't tied to one specific build, I restored through several iOS 26 betas, several iOS 27 betas, and the public releases. Same result every time. This isn't a matter of finding the right version to restore to.

On Advanced Data Protection

I understand why ADP works the way it does. Apple doesn't hold the encryption keys for ADP-protected data, so even Apple can't simply access it if something goes wrong. That's the whole point of the feature, and one of the reasons I enabled it.

What I find less clear is what happens in a situation like mine. When setting up ADP, Apple warns you about losing access if you forget your passcode or recovery methods. But I didn't forget my passcode, lose my recovery methods, or delete my data. I followed a device restore/downgrade procedure, and ended up unable to access my data anyway.

Apple doesn't hold the keys, but neither am I given a copy of them. So if something goes wrong between the account, device and ADP keys, there doesn't appear to be any user-accessible recovery mechanism.

I've contacted Apple Support, the case has been escalated, and so far there is no recovery path. I'm still hoping they find one.

The bigger impact

For me, this isn't just about a folder of random photos. I've used the same Apple Account for over ten years, and my email, notes, passwords, passkeys and photos were all tied to it. I've had to start moving my access everything to a new account to have a functioning set-up.

I'll say again that an independent backup would have prevented all of this. But I also think it's fair to ask: if an erase, restore or downgrade can leave ADP-protected data stranded like this, shouldn't there be an explicit warning before you start? Right now there isn't one, and I would have done things differently if there had been.

Support outside the U.S.

I'm based outside the U.S., and the support experience here has been rough. As soon as I mention this happened on beta software, I get told there's no support for beta users. I get that Apple can't guarantee beta software will behave perfectly, but this isn't really about a beta feature not working right. It's iOS, iCloud, ADP and Apple's own erase and restore process interacting in a way that's left my data stuck, with no way back to it.

Paying indefinitely for iCloud+

There's also a rather frustrating side effect of all this: I'm still paying for the iCloud+ plan on the affected account.

I basically have two options: keep paying for the subscription indefinitely, hoping that Apple eventually finds a way to restore access to my data, or cancel it and lose whatever chance there is of recovering it.

So I'm effectively paying to keep storage for data that I currently cannot access, simply because I don't know whether Apple might eventually be able to recover it.

I won't even get into the financial side of this, but there's another issue: I had a significant Apple Account balance on the old account. That balance can't simply be transferred to my new Apple Account, and with the old account essentially unusable, I can't meaningfully use it for apps, services or other purchases either.

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If you've been through something similar, especially an iOS 27 to iOS 26 downgrade with ADP on, I'd like to hear about it. And if you've managed to get your data back or gotten a real technical answer from Apple, please let me know what happened.

u/hauteware — 8 days ago
▲ 18 r/Anytype

Considering Anytype and looking for honest experiences before I commit

TL;DR: First time using a tool like this, want to pick one and build on it long term without losing data. Need to handle quick notes, creative writing, and basic finance tracking (spending/subscriptions). Not fully clear on the real differences between Anytype, Notion, and Obsidian, but Notion's interface felt the easiest on first try, so I'm trying to figure out if Anytype's learning curve is worth it for the privacy side. Privacy is actually the main reason I'm looking at Anytype in the first place, and from what I've read, Notion's heavy push on AI features is something I'd rather avoid too.

Hey everyone,

This is the first time I'm actually trying to set up a system like this for myself, so please excuse me if some of my questions are basic. I want to pick one tool and actually stick with it and build on it over time, so I would like to get this right from the start.

What I would like to use it for:

  • Quick notes on the go, mostly from my phone, so it needs to be fast and not require five taps to jot something down
  • Keeping my creative writing organized. I write short pieces and essays as a hobby and right now they're just scattered across random docs, I would like one place for all of it
  • Tracking personal finance stuff, subscriptions, spending, the occasional net worth snapshot of where things stand. Nothing fancy, just enough to actually see patterns

Basically I want one place for my personal life instead of juggling different apps for each thing.

I've also been looking into Notion and hear Obsidian mentioned a lot, and honestly I'm having a hard time understanding what really separates Anytype from the two in practice. From what I've read they all seem to overlap a lot on paper (notes, databases, linking things together) and the differences seem to come down to how the data is stored and how steep the learning curve is, but that's just from reading reviews, not from actually using any of them long term.

From messing around with the free versions for like an hour each, Notion's interface of folders and pages felt the easiest to just pick up and start using, and Anytype's object/relation system took a bit more to wrap my head around. But privacy is a big part of why I'm considering Anytype in the first place, so I'm trying to figure out if that initial friction is worth it once you're actually used to it.

Speaking of which, privacy matters to me, and I'll be upfront that I don't fully understand the technical side here. From what I've picked up reading around, Anytype's local-first, end-to-end encrypted approach sounds like a real step up over something like Notion, but I don't know how much that actually matters in practice for someone just using it for personal notes and journaling type stuff versus something more sensitive.

Also, and maybe this is a dumb thing to bring up, but part of what's pushing me away from Notion is how much I keep reading about it leaning on AI features lately. I don't have a problem with AI existing as an option, but from what people describe it sounds like it gets pushed on you a lot even for basic stuff like jotting down a note or checking your spending, and that's something I'd rather avoid. If Anytype stays out of the way on that front, that's a real point in its favor for me.

So a few things I'd love input on:

  • If you've used Anytype for a year or more for something similar (notes plus writing plus light finance tracking and general personal life upkeep), what's held up well and what's been annoying?
  • Anything that felt fine at first but became a pain once you had more stuff in there?
  • Any issues with losing data, syncing, or things breaking that I should know before I build this out?
  • How steep is the learning curve really, for someone who's completely new to an object/relation-based system like this?
  • Does the object/relation system eventually feel faster than folders and pages once you're used to it, or does it stay clunky?
  • Is there anything about collaboration or sharing that's a dealbreaker for personal use, since I know that's still limited compared to Notion?

Truly interested in hearing what's actually worked or not worked for you day to day. Thanks for reading this far.

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u/hauteware — 11 days ago
▲ 2 r/Notion

Considering Notion and looking for honest experiences before I commit

TL;DR: First time using a tool like this, want to pick one and build on it long term without losing data. Need to handle quick notes, creative writing, and basic finance tracking (spending/subscriptions). Not fully clear on the real differences between Notion, Anytype, and Obsidian, but Notion's interface felt the easiest on first try. Privacy also matters to me (heard Notion isn't great on that front) and I'm worried about the AI push getting in the way of basic tasks. Looking for real experiences from people who've used it long term.

Hey everyone,

This is the first time I'm actually trying to set up a system like Notion for myself, so please excuse me if some of my questions are basic. I want to pick one tool and actually stick with it and build on it over time, so I would like to get this right from the start.

What I would like to use Notion for:

  • Quick notes on the go, mostly from my phone, so it needs to be fast and not require five taps to jot something down
  • Keeping my creative writing organized. I write short pieces and essays as a hobby and right now they're just scattered across random docs, I would like one place for all of it
  • Tracking personal finance stuff, subscriptions, spending, the occasional net worth snapshot of where things stand. Nothing fancy, just enough to actually see patterns

Basically I want one place for my personal life instead of juggling different apps for each thing.

I've also been looking into Anytype and hear Obsidian mentioned a lot, and honestly I'm having a hard time understanding what really separates them from Notion in practice. From what I've read they all seem to overlap a lot on paper (notes, databases, linking things together) and the differences seem to come down to how the data is stored and how steep the learning curve is, but that's just from reading reviews, not from actually using any of them.

From messing around with the free versions for like an hour, Notion's interface of folders and pages felt the easiest to just pick up and start using, but I get the feeling that might just be because it's the most polished for beginners and the other two might make more sense once you're past the initial learning curve.

Privacy also matters to me, and I'll be upfront that I don't fully understand the situation here. From what I've picked up reading around, it sounds like privacy isn't exactly Notion's strong point, but I genuinely don't know how big of a deal that is in practice for someone just using it for personal notes and journaling type stuff versus something more sensitive.

Also, and maybe this is a dumb thing to bring up, but I keep seeing people mention how much Notion pushes its AI features these days. I don't have a problem with AI existing as an option, I just don't want it shoved in my face every time I try to do something basic like jot down a note or check my spending. If that's overstated I'd like to hear it, and if it's a real annoyance I'd rather know now.

So a few things I'd love input on:

  • If you've used Notion for a year or more for something similar (notes plus writing plus light finance tracking and personal life up keeping ), what's held up well and what's been annoying?
  • Anything that felt fine at first but became a pain once you had more stuff in there?
  • Any issues with losing data, syncing, or things breaking that I should know before I build this out?
  • How bad is the AI push in daily use, honestly? Is it something you can just ignore, or does it get in the way?
  • On the privacy side, should that actually factor into a decision for personal use, or am I overthinking it?
  • For someone who's never used Obsidian or Anytype, is the learning curve actually worth it for a personal use case like mine, or is that more of a thing for people with more advanced needs?

Truly interested in hearing what's actually worked or not worked for you day to day. Thanks for reading this far.

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u/hauteware — 11 days ago