Why do people believe Mohg wanted to create his own age?

This has been an argument I've seen constantly regarding Mohg and speculation on his ultimate goal. Many people seem to believe Mohg wanted to create the equivalent of an Age of Blood and had the ambition to embody the Lord role to (the assumption is) Miquella's hypothetical god of blood. But this seems a lot more complicated in the lore at least in my mind...

This situation is definitely complicated by Miquella's involvement and their likely contrasting goals so it's very hard to decipher what Mohg actually wanted vs how Miquella may have influenced and change his goals to serve him, but it seems more likely to me that Mohg becoming a lord was more aligned with Miquella's desires than his own. There's nothing to indicate they didn't share this aspect of their aspirations and simply diverged elsewhere (the blood vs compassion part is a pretty bug one) but I feel like it's suspicious, given Miquella's seeming intended use for Mohg as his consort ('s body).

Then there is the often ignored aspect of "Mohgwyn Dynasty". If Mohg wanted to create an age of blood, why would he simply not call it that? If Ranni called her age of stars the "Lunar dynasty", that would give off a very different impression to what her aspirations are, and likely mean something different in practice too. Why call it something so different if it's intended to just be a continuation of the same system under different management? This is the biggest thing that bothers me the most. Could there be a different explanation as to why he's chosen to do this? What might that be? Or maybe the explanation has more to do with Fromsoft trying to confuse us or make the story more layered?

While I don't know japanese and can't go further than this, his moniker of "Lord" also appears to be a different word from the one used to describe the Elden Lord in the original text meaning the word lord in this context isn't meant to connect the two.

Really curious to think how others feel about this.

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u/idk_ausername864f — 1 day ago

I DESPISE Cookie run Kingdom (and what it's done to Devsis)

I hate this freaking thing in every way shape or form, on every front! The gameplay is trash, it's painfully overated and it's presence has bogged down and actively ruined other Devsis games and made the company itself worse!

Right of the bat, I wanna say, it seems CRK was surprisingly successful and I'm actually glad that the company was able to gain popularity off of it, but you'd think this would lead to good things, like better quality games? NOPE! Instead we get insane bloat of extremely unoptimised new games every year or so, in a seeming desperate effort to recapture this thing's success, every other game living in it's shadow and being changed for the worse and a complete takeover of all spaces related to these games.

I've been a Cookie run ovenbreak player for 6-7 years now (ovenbreak was the main game then) and I didn't know that at the time, and it took years to really get it, but CROB is a fantastic game! It actually requires skill and strategy to get things you want or climb ranks with small exploits that may or may not even be intentional and it's an actual fun game to play, with interesting gameplay to it. I' have really gotten to apreciate this game over time, especially with the state of mobile games in general being pretty bad

The same cannot be said about Kingdom which, despite it's extremely mediocre and unoriginal gameplay (it's a boring rpg where, from what ive heard, pulling enough good characters in the gatcha will guarantee you a win with 0 though or skill necessary) has absolutely eclipsed OB and any other game they've made since with an enormous player base. This itself is extremely annoying given you cannot find any discussion or strategy guides about OB now without getting bombarded with stupid Kingdom content but is far from the only issue.

All Cookierun games are part gacha games, an obviously very obnoxious and problematic genera of games, but I personally didn't used to have an issue with that because these games are pretty generous with their drops and you could easily complete the whole roster of characters (upgrading them was another thing all together) using the system they had. The gatcha was NOT the main part of the gameplay. OB is no longer a gacha game at all (a shockingly positive change among all the other way way worse ones we'll get to) but Kingdom and it's popularity made the issue so, SO much worse. Kingdom used to also be pretty generous with it's gacha at first (im not sure how things have devolved over time since I've stopped playing) but apparently things got worse and worse leading to exorbitant prices for the newest legendaries, which are also ofc the most optimal characters in the game making the game heavily Pay2play, ofc dragging all the other games with it.

Ovebreak went through a series of very unwelcomed by the community changes that have made it heavily favouritist for paying players. You can still do well without paying, but it is a lot harder now and I definitely remember the game being miles better on that front earlier on. The game is a lot more frustrating now, despite maintaining it's solid gameplay. Paying players are basically given a huge boost that non paying ones have to wait moths to catch up on (by that time, new optimised characters have droped) and god forbid you are a brand new player... I don't even know how you can get into this game and hope to achieve something. Ofc I can't prove it but i feel like all of this is due to kingdom becoming so lucrative.

And lastly we have the newer games... Devisis every so often will release new cookie games that they eventually abandon once they realize they aren;t making kingdom money leading to what sounds like a pretty bad financial situation at the moment, with their latest game flopping, due it it ofc being an unbalanced, unoptimised crashing mess. The games are increasingly buggy and crash so frequently on older devices they can become unplayable with seemingly 0 intention of improving any of it and ofc let's not forget the introductions of increasingly more transparently pay2play gatchas.

Tower of adventures, one of the other cookie games i personally play has exclusive legendary gachas that are unobtainable unless you pay and crashes more and more frequently every upadate. I've gotten to a point where i have to have every setting set to its lowest for it to even have a chance of playing. I used to be a paying player on there too (yes im part of the problem) but i have since stopped and im hoping others have done the same, until they hopefully realize the state their game is in and do something

Appologies if this rant is a bit incoherent, I have so much pent up hatred for this game and everything it's done to everything around it. I don;t understand why people play this thing, and all I've gotten so far is that it apparently has a good story. I personally skip the story so i dont care for that but i suppose that's one redeeming quality in a sea of horrors that is Cookie run kingdom. And yes, maybe this is all a big conspiracy and the game isn't to blame but i firmly believe if the game wasn't as successful a lot of this would have been prevented

u/idk_ausername864f — 2 months ago

I've debated a lot weather I should post about this, because I really don't want to upset people, or seem like I'm trying to be a contrarian but it's all been bothering me and I would really like to understand what's going on... I keep seeing posts about how Ren's statement has contradictions and how it was disproven or that they've lied, but I have read both documents and have seen none of what people are talking about. To me they both seem to line up pretty well... I'd really rather not watch some dodgy youtuber with dubious motives on such a serious and sensitive topic so I wanna hear from people directly

Reminder to please be nice

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u/idk_ausername864f — 2 months ago