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There probably is, but proportionally he doesn’t seem to be getting hated on as much as Nesta and Elain for his (lack of) contributions in the cabin.

Nesta and Elain get hated on for letting Feyre hunt and risk her life.

Nesta, in spite of doing all sorts of redeeming things after that, still gets hated for not helping Feyre and being rude. Never mind that as early as in the first book, she went looking for her at the wall/fae lands, even though it was known that it’s dangerous there.

Elain’s biggest crime is that she wasn’t doing industrial level farming. How dare she only plants the flower seeds Feyre got her as a gift, instead of yards of potatoes?

For me, the person who should be getting the most hate in this scenario is Papa Archeron. This so called “Prince of Merchants”, couldn’t find a single way of making money to help his family survive? All he did was mope around at home, making wooden figurines, while his teenage daughters had to take on all the burden.

Sure, Feyre was hunting, but we also find out that Nesta wrote to all their family and friends when they first fell from grace, which I imagine was very psychologically taxing for a teenage girl. As for Elain, it sounds like she always had to manage the emotions of everyone around the house and be the peacekeeper.

All it took was a generous financial boost from Tamlin, and suddenly he’s super rich and able to get a whole armada. We’re meant to think he managed all that from hustling with Tamlin’s money, but frankly with how incompetent this man was, he had probably burned through most of it buying houses and ships. Plus, how come none of the sisters seem to get any inheritance from him? Maybe that’s why Feyre is so concerned about Nesta drinking their money away, she now has to pay off all of her father’s new debt! Maybe in the next books we find out that Papa Archeron owes Koschei a bunch of money and his collectors are banging at their doors 🤷🏻‍♀️

For me, Papa Archeron needs to be hated the most in the cabin scenario. I completely understand disliking Nesta being rude back then. I can understand viewing Elain as though she was sitting back and letting others take care of her. However, out of all 4 people in that cabin, Papa Archeron was the only one with supposedly the real life skills to support a family financially.

And before people come and say “he had no money or other resources to use for hustling”, doesn’t Elain also get a ton of hate for not farming vegetables, when she would also need to get those seeds from somewhere?

At the end of the day, I do think that all that is due to poor world building and SJM’s lack of understanding of how poverty works. But still, it annoys me that after so many books, Nesta especially still gets so much hate regarding the cabin and letting Feyre hunt. When in the books it’s explicitly mentioned that she did try learning to hunt, but she couldn’t do it.

I’m also reading Spinning Silver by Naomi Novik now, where there is a similarly “incompetent” father, and seeing how he’s handled there just makes me extra annoyed both by Papa Archeron’s incompetence in the book, but also how he was written.

With the announcement of the new books’ covers and blurbs, I’m starting to wonder if the series is moving into a more epic fantasy, multi-POV format and away from classic romantasy where the romantic plots are at the center.

There was a lot of speculation on the next books being about Elain and who she will end up with. Now, it seems like the story will have a much broader focus and that Elain may not get her “own” book, the same way Feyre and Nesta did. I don’t really think the books will be a single POV at all. I do think it’s a bit unfair, as the other two sisters got their own focused books. At the same time, as a huge Nesta and ToG fan, I can’t help but feel excited that the new books may not focus on a single POV. 😅

So, I see quite often fanart for ACOTAR and TOG (haven’t read CC but I assume they probably have similar) where we see the characters after their endings. Those are usually AI generated and they will basically be a FMC heavily pregnant, with multiple kids.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t think the couples starting families and having children is necessarily a bad thing. Hell, if I had my happy ending with my hot immortal mate, and we were also filthy rich, I’d also probably enjoy having multiple kids together, as what is keeping me personally from that is finances.

However, I just find it strange when fierce characters like Aelin and Manon, for example, are just shown frolicking in a meadow with 7 kids and another one about to pop out. I’m sure Aelin would love being a mom and raising her kids, but I’d like to see it… differently. I’d also like to see more of them just being queens, leading their people, etc.

I know that the books themselves kind of have getting married and having kids as the ultimate happy ending, but still. Also, I often notice that the MMC aren’t part of those fanarts, and it just makes me wonder, is Rowan out having fun with the boys while Aelin is taking care of their 7 kids with a baby on the way?

Hey all! This post will include spoilers from Kingdom of Ash and Court of Silver Flames.

A friend and I have this crack ship and I just wanted to find like minded people.

So, the crack ship is Gwyn and Fenrys. The more I think about it, the more I wish something happens within the Maasverse that makes it possible for them to meet and have a romance.

I feel like the two of them parallel each other beautifully. They went through similar trauma. They both are victims of SA. They both have a fraternal twin that got killed. They both feel responsible for what happened to them. Furthermore, each of them seems to parallel the twin the other lost, personality wise. Fenrys was the wilder one, like Cathrin, whereas Gwyn is the more quiet and introspective one.

They could have a beautiful story where they go through their similar trauma together and help each other heal.

I’m at SF now, just finished reading the hike scene.

After following the discourse here, and also my feelings about a Court of Frost and Starlight, I expected to absolutely hate everyone in the IC. But at least up until the point I’ve reached in the book, my biggest problem is with Amren.

I get that she has some huge fight with Nesta and she’s hurt after being the one advocating for her the most. However, these 2 scenes happened that just made me lose all respect for her character:

1. After they retrieve the mask, she makes a comment along the lines that a desperate fool would only use the mask. This came across as SO insensitive considering that Nesta got SA’d by the kelpie and she would have died a brutal death hasn’t the mask showed up.

Nesta only used the mask enough to save herself and then took it out. She didn’t go around extracting petty revenge on anyone ago wronged her with an army of zombies.

The whole interaction just left a poor taste in my mouth… judging a SA victim on how they defended themselves. Yuck.

2. The magic weapons Nesta created. First Amren is adamant they don’t touch the blades and they don’t tell Nesta. Then 5 minutes later she’s in full war mongering conqueror mode, thinking how they can use the weapons and the Archeron sisters to make Rhys High King.

I appreciated that Cassian and Azriel stood up for Nesta there. And they are the people who actually interacted with her the most up until that point. It really goes to show that the people who are actually around Nesta see her improvement and can vouch for her.

I also appreciated Feyre’s attitude for the most part. She tells Rhys off, she agrees to tell Nesta about her powers and even after the baby reveal, she diffuses the situation and asks Cassian to take care of Nesta.

The only spiteful and hateful character in this book is Amren. Rhys too, but at the very least he doesn’t want to conquer the entire world like his second wants him to.

Also, I absolutely LOVE Nesta and I really resonate with her. And because of that, I can recognize that sometimes she gets overly defensive and takes some situations as a bigger slight than they are. All the “you chose this person over me” and the assumption that people have malicious intent and hate her. This is why this book really resonates with me and honestly I think it was done super well.

All that to say that I’m pro-Nesta biased but in some situations I did think that the IC people weren’t necessarily coming from bad intentions. Amren, though, has my dislike.

I’m halfway through A Court of Mist and Starlight and I now understand the dislike for this character. In the beginning I found him fun enough, then just boring, but now in this book he’s just annoying and petty.

First, the treatment towards Nesta. I get not liking your in laws, but I find it so harsh how he hyper fixates on hating her because she left Feyre hunt, whereas Elain gets a free pass for “being Elaine”. Nesta has just lost her father, she also has all this trauma from being at war, but to him she’s still some bitch. Nesta was the one who went looking for Feyre in ACOTAR! Sure she was not the best sister ever, but to make her out to be some monster is just unfair. Plus I can’t take seriously the whole plot with Feyre hunting to support her family. It is just so silly and juvenile. Their stupid father being the king of merchants supposedly and yet he couldn’t hustle some money for the family until Tamlin helped out.

Then the whole Spring Court/Tamlin handling is just so stupid. So I’m supposed to believe that everyone left the Spring Court? If everyone hated Tamlin so much, it would be much more realistic if they had dethroned him and put some 5th cousin as Spring High Lord in his place. It’s just so silly that instead everyone left to the point of having no servants and sentries. Surely there would be some loyal enough that they wouldn’t care about Feyre’s propaganda. Or just opportunists that like their jobs enough to stay. Doesn’t Tamlin have enough generational wealth to hire servants and mercenaries?

It’s tiring that everything revolves around Feyre and her golden vagina. (Because so much of Rhysand’s thoughts are how he wants to fuck her or where he fucked her) Whole geopolitical things happen because of her. She’s honestly not even that interesting of a character for me to care about this defense of her.

This series just feels so juvenile and stupid and honestly I don’t like the argument that it’s meant to be relationship focused or more light hearted or whatever. You can focus on these things while still having believable world building.

There is no hair salon with skilled hairstylists in Fromville, so all the characters have ugly hair. The anghkooey kids also have terrible hair, most of it is even missing from their heads!

The show been giving us clues all these seasons that hair is important. First Chrissy and now Julie, they have horrible hair! Not to mention everyone else! Only Fatima has nice hair and guess what happened… she was chosen to be Smiley’s mother!

I think they need to find a hair salon in the forest and when they get nice haircuts, everyone will be free.

My relationship with the Maasverse started when a friend recommended I read ACOTAR, which I ended up DNFing because I found Feyre obnoxious. I decided to read the ToG series this year, after seeing that it was more “serious” than ACOTAR. I loved ToG. Sure, it had its YA-y moments, but I genuinely got invested in some characters and plot lines (Manon ❤️)

The algorithm on Instagram started showing me ACOTAR fanarts and I got intrigued and since I loved discussing ToG with that friend I mentioned, I decided to give ACOTAR another try. Tbh I mostly wanted to get to the Nesta pov book, as I felt I would resonate with her, at least from all the fanart I’ve seen of her.

I decided to listen to the dramatised audiobook for ACOTAR and I really enjoyed it. The voice actors are great! I decided to continue in this format with the other books cause honestly, I just don’t like them as a reading experience enough.

However, now I’m in the middle of ACOWAR and I’m getting SJM-fatigue. The plot is interesting enough, but it also feels like things are very repetitive. Phrases and words are overused. It feels very corny and juvenile. Rhys and Feyre are basically texting tongue sticking out emojis through their mating bond. Most of the characters are supposed to be 500-year-okd warriors but they talk like cringey millennials. (No hate to millennials btw, it just breaks the immersion) I skip through the Feysand sex scenes and I wish I could do the same with the IC’s silly meal hangouts. They all just strike me as a bunch of popular kids that peaked in high school.

I also can’t stand Feyre. She’s just very obnoxious and honestly kudos to the voice actress for portraying exactly how obnoxious I imagined her sounding the first time I tried to read the series. She does have some nice moments but overall I don’t like her. I think I would have enjoyed the series more if it had multiple POV chapters like in ToG.

I know, I know, no one is forcing me to read the books obviously. I only keep going because there are some parts I still like (some of the side characters) and because I genuinely love how I can bond about the fandom with friends and other women in my circle. I really feel like the fandom is what’s worth it with ACOTAR, because the books themselves are very juvenile. I will also give credit where it’s due and I do think Sarah is quite good at writing characters that feel relatable and I like how she tries to give voice to the “hated” characters (apart from Tamlin, I know, I’m thinking more of Nesta and Chaol here)

Apologies if this has been discussed already.
I just finished the show myself.

When the Hive first contacts Carol, they do it via the politician in the TV. He tells Carol that almost all the rest of the politicians didn’t make it, so they couldn’t get the president.

My theory is that the virus kills a host that can’t handle all that positivity and empathy. It doesn’t make sense that someone who was previously a serial killer would suddenly join the Hive and be super nice.

Real world politicians are often involved in terrible scandals, so by them being “bad” they couldn’t survive the joining process.

I’m listening to ACOWAR now and I’m having a hard time sympathising with Elain and Nesta’s adjustments to being fae. By all means, being fae is such a massive upgrade to their previous life. We also barely got to see anything of their human lives, so it’s hard to feel like they’ve “lost” something.

I understand that the circumstances around them becoming fae were traumatic. It’s not so much that I don’t understand where they’re coming from, it’s that I don’t find it was executed well. We don’t see any struggle now that they have become fae. It would be nice to see them struggle with their new bodies, get sensory overload due to their heightened senses.

In the previous book, the king of Hybern said something along the lines of “who wants to be next? Maybe you will also get a sexy fae high lord mate” to the queens and I found it hilarious.

I’ve also read the Throne of Glass series and >!Aelin has to “sacrifice” her human life to seal the Wyrdgate. It felt like a cheap deus ex machina as the fae life is objectively better than the human one. She has her fae mate and everything. If anything sacrificing the fae life and knowing she’s going to end up dying at some point would have been more poignant.!<

I read ToG first and I found the phrase “borrowed time” was very well used in Empire of Storms.

However I’ve noticed that it has been used both in ACOMF and ACOWR and it’s even more obvious now as I’m listening to the audiobooks. It feels like a lot of phrases and words are reused a lot.

So hear me out. Ethan told Julie story walking doesn’t change the story. But what if Julie has to story run? Since Randal is big on fitness he will tell Julie to start running and she will then change the story because the monsters can’t run.

Some of you guys need to have everything spoon fed to you. I think the next episode should just be a yellow screen for the whole duration with Jade playing the violin in the background.

I think I’m very unique in this opinion tell me your thoughts.