Ah! Time’s Rift!

It always bothered me that the apostrophe never got used.

Did you know Theia has two spellings? The other is Thea, so just missing the “i.” Like how the Under-King confirmed at the end of HOFAS that Urd and Wyrd are the same but spelled differently based on the world/time its used in.

Ah! Time’s Rift!

I Am the First.

But if we use the apostrophe…

I’m Thea First

…wtf

Also— Theia vs Thea and Wyrd vs Urd, kind of like how Elena, Helena, and Oleanna are the same name, just different variants of Helen (as in, Helen of Troy). Only, Vesperus never mentioned High Priestess Oleanna (or Helena), and when asked if she was related to Hesperus, replied with “I am the Evening Star.” And a reminder, Dorian has Elena’s raw magic, and he’s a shifter. Meaning, Elena herself was likely also a shifter... The Queen with Many Faces.

Once again, I must make a PSA that Silene has nothing to do with the moon. Instead of “Selene,” daughter of the Goddess Theia, “Silene“ is the feminine form of Silenus, who raised the Greek god of wine, Dionysus. Alluding to the sloshing of wine, the name often refers to the sticky or slimy secretion from insects-like that of a spider. Dionysus is also the god of theater and ritual madness, with a link to masks.

Silene is probably a Kharankui.

Bonus: Feyre describes ad nauseam Rhysand and the Inner Circle’s wearing and removal of masks. Daemati have the ability to drive people insane.

I've read all the acotar books so far, but haven't read cc. I have been spoiled and know Bryce goes to prythian so do I need to read cc before the next acotar book comes out?

My wife and I were talking about how all the series crossover at some point in time. We’ve had a mini crossover with CC and ACOTAR, but will get a series where ALL three series are actually intertwine?

Like a complete NEW series?

Do you think Nesta could eventually challenge Rhysand for the title of High Queen of Prythian?

We know that Rhysand may become High King of Prythian (which… I have a million and one issues with) but I just get the sense that if anyone rules Prythian, it won’t be him. I think there’s every chance it’s Nesta. And if not her, I think she will absolutely challenge any attempt he makes if that ultimately becomes his goal, which it might.

Not saying she wants power in the traditional sense, but I find the textual evidence that Rhys is deeply unsettled by her and her power so interesting. Even back in A Court of Silver Flames, he repeatedly tries to control or contain her, and the HOSAF bonus chapter only reinforced that dynamic for me. Nesta is one of the only characters who genuinely does not back down from him.

And honestly, power wise, she might be one of the few people in Prythian with the potential to rival him. Even after giving some of her power back, the narrative still treats her as something ancient and terrifying. There’s also the repeated emphasis on death, the Dread Trove, and people reacting to her with fear (much like how people react to Rhys. They have so many mirrored qualities!)

So I’m wondering whether SJM could eventually build toward a political fracture in Prythian rather than a united front. Not necessarily “Nesta / Rhys becomes evil,” but more of an ideological divide. Rhys represents secrecy, control, and centralised authority, while Nesta represents autonomy, defiance, and refusing to be managed.

Could we end up with a kind of Marvel esque civil war between courts/factions in future books? Could we see characters like Bryce come back to assist Nesta? We know how she feels about fae overlords.

Or do you think the narrative is ultimately heading toward unity?

(Not a hate post!)

You know how SJM has said she was surprised by who is going to be the next POV? She also said when she first announced the next ACOTAR books way back whenever that there might be one set before the events of ACOTAR. I’ve also read somewhere, but can’t confirm, that she’s always wanted to write an LGBTQ love story in-depth. To move the plot forward and wrap-up some much needed unanswered questions from the past, we need the POV of someone who  had simultaneous involvement with both the Autumn and Spring courts to narrate what went down with Mor and Eris, Tamlin and Rhysand’s families, Lucien and Jesminda, and Tamlin taking him in. It’s also very clear that she’s set Lucien and Eris up to be major players, but neither of them would be particularly surprising POV’s.

Remember during the flashback of ACOFAS, Mor heard that other anonymous voice talking to Eris, wanting to help her, when they found her left at the Autumn Court border? Clearly Eris did have someone in his life at that point who was a decent person, one comfortable enough with him to speak up and protest Eris’s direct orders to not touch Mor. But Lucien wasn’t born yet, and it’s doubtful that was the voice of one of the other Vanserra bros. 

You know how Eris said he anonymously got word to Tamlin to get to his border to save Lucien, and how he seemed to know Tamlin would take Lucien in? 

When Eris left Mor that day, it cost him something— and most people think this something was actually a someone. Maybe the cost was that Beron would no longer give him room to be able to sneak off  to see his lover, possibly of another court, or, maybe, his lover had to flee to another court.  

A lot of people suspect that Eris is not straight. Personally, I agree, and have always considered Eris to be the Aedion of ACOTAR (Cassian is literally Chaol— which I’m only mentioning here because many compare him to Aedion, but I don‘t see it, and that’s also not the point of this post). That got me thinking about the Wolf of the North connection and Eris, and then I had a horrible thought. 

Many have also speculated that, like Lucien, Eris had a lover that was killed, likely by Beron, but what if it was done by someone else? 

I’ve noticed that, so far, Eris has had a VERY different attitude towards Feyre than Elain and Nesta. While even Feyre acknowledged that Eris was going easy on her and Lucien when he and the two other Vanserra brothers were chasing them in ACOWAR, when Eris slapped her and pulled her hair, that lowkey felt personal. It also felt similar to the same attitude she received from Lucien when arriving at the Spring Court. Lucien was, rightly so, very upset with Feyre for having killed Andras. They were clearly close. But maybe they had a connection before Lucien’s arrival in Spring. Maybe Andras was assigned to look out for him, anonymously, on someone’s behalf? 

Sarah has said before that Lucien and Dorian would be friends, and left many hints throughout the books that they are mirrors of each other, especially with how Jesminda and Sorscha were killed. 

You know who was also in the room when Sorscha was killed, besides Chaol? 

Aedion— the Wolf of the North. 

Does anyone remember The Short Second Life of Bree Tanner? What if SJM decided to take a cue from Stephenie Meyer?

What if the person who delivered Eris’s message to Tamlin to get to his border in time to save Lucien after Jesminda was killed was someone we were introduced to in Chapter 1, book 1 of ACOTAR? 

What if the ACOTAR 6 POV is Andras? And he and Eris were lovers…

When my now wife and I first started dating, she bought me ACOTAR ... I started reading it and immediately fell in love with Sarah's writing. I know I never thought I would read a book/series like this in my life. But here we are. After I finished the entire series, she told me to read ToG, which I really loved, it quickly replaced ACOTAR as my favorite series. I then started reading Crescent City, which is my least favorite of the three series Sarah has published. I don't know if its the modern tech or what, but I feel disconnected from the other two series.

Here's one thing I have thought about for a long time.

1. We know that all three series take place roughly at the same time. This was confirmed in KoA and Frost and Starlight when Aelin is seen falling through Night Court.

2. Each series is intertwined with the same mysterious Valg/Asteri/Daglan ...

3. How in the world do Rhys/Dorian/Ruhn all look alike, have similar powers? Is Dorian Fae? Are Rhys/Dorian/Ruhn the true princes of hell?

4. Who is Mama Archeron? Was she fae?

ok so im on like my third re read of throne of glass and i had never connected the dots until now, but in empire of storms when deanna takes over aelins body in skulls bay, rowan described her eyes as “turquoise ringed with silver“ and the light she emitted was “cold white light. tendrils flickered - silver flames”…. silver flames sounds familiar. AND THEN from aelins pov on the next page, she described her body being taken over as deanna “walking through the temporary gate hanging between her breasts and seizing her body as if it were a mask to wear”…. MASK?? not really sure if this has any bearing, but this sounds soooo familiar to how nesta changes when she puts on the mask, becoming death and having some other worldly, emotionless being take over her body, similar to how aelin felt with deanna. it’s been a minute since i read acotar so i may be missing something else but this connection seems wild to me

Just double checking before I buy a special edition. I'm halfway through the audiobook of Queen of Shadows and decided to switch to reading books. 😄

Some sources say there might be a continuation?

This is probably more for me than anybody else, but I have so many questions. I’m hoping ACOTAR 6 will answer. If you have any more, let’s hear I’ll add them to the list!

please don’t hit me with the “SJM leaves plot holes” i’d rather just get canon over time with new books or have theories lol

Rhys - valg? or ancestral Hel heritage?
Az/Lorcan/Cormac/Ruhn shadows?? Kaltain shadow fire?
Valg - princes of Hel? Or at least the same realm?
Miryam and Drakon artifact on cretea he used to make her immortal?
Koscheis black box?
Cauldron - wyrdstone?
CC city gates - wyrdgates?
Ramiel monolith - wyrdstone?
Prison & UTM mountain - top of mountain?
Ramiel - beneath mountain?
other spells like the magic suppression spell using three wyrd towers - ACOTAR mountains/CC gates???
ERIS???
Morrigan secrets??
TOG collars / CC black crowns?
Shifters descended from fae - whomst/wheremst was FIRST?
Book of breathings / walking dead in Jesibas library?
who were the Library of Parthos people?
Nestas power - Deanna?
bryce carranam with… everyone?
The Mother / 3 Faced Goddess - it’s mentioned that the ACOTAR “mother” has three faces (mentioned with the bones & stones scrying)… same one?
daglan = asteri we know that, but valg are parasites too, possibly asteri descendants?
iron hurts TOG fae but not ACOTAR fae….?
CHILDREN OF THE BLESSED AND THE GODS DAMNED MERCENARY
Why is Fenrys the only one that can winnow?
illyrian runes/tattoos = wyrdmarks?

some other things i highlighted in the books
asterion horses in TOG?
eight pointed star tatted on a high priestess’ brow in TOG
underking is…. barrow…wight??
HOF: “Emrys finished narrating the story of a clever wolf and a magical fire-bird.” Luuuucien? Vaaassa?
WINDHAVEN (Altun) AND THE THREE PEAKS mentioned in TOD?????!!!!!
Nesryn mentions a sword glowing with starlight in TOD?

I was thinking that we call the entire Sarah J mass universe as Massverse, but what name it could have like Cosmere of Brandon Sanderson, Shadowhunter Chronicles of Cassandra Clare, Lord of the Rings of Tolkien etc..

I think The Dread Trove could fit very well to connect the 3 series, what you think? Opinions?

Firstly I just want to say that gods while I can see that she isn’t the best writer in terms of literature her books are so addictive and the plot twists are so so good. I’m honestly stuck between re-reading Earth and Blood before reading Sky and Breath and I can’t get the last scenes out of my head!

I saw some people saying that it’s better to read her Court of so and so series before reading sky and breath but I just wanted to know if that actually adds much as I have the books up to Flame and Shadow but I have none of the Court series.

Hey friends! I’d recently responded (https://www.reddit.com/r/Maasverse/s/jc0jWCLaxH) to a post on Reddit where OP was basically like “I don’t plan on reading Crescent City, you can’t convince me otherwise, just please fill me in on the lore that I need before ACOTAR 6.” I gave (what I think is) a pretty good summary, which a lot of other people appreciated. I’ve decided to turn this into a 5 part series on tiktok explaining the key details for either people who read and can’t remember/don’t want to reread, or ACOTAR fans who really don’t want to read Crescent City. Technically, this will be a 10 part series since I’m also going to put together a memecut recap for each of the 5 sections lol. Anyway, part one is up now and the other 4 parts will be coming soon!

The parts will be (spoilers for CC, obviously): Midgard Crash Course, The Daglan Went WHERE???, Prison Party, Dread Trove Divas, and Prythian Problems.

Prepost edit: not sure if this goes against the advertising rules although that wasn’t my intention, so uh…. i deleted the tiktok link, and just know it’s out there lol

All the Fourth Wing adaptation talk has me thinking: if Throne of Glass got adapted, who are your picks? Drop your Aelin/Rowan/Manon/Dorian dream cast. I legit can only picture the AI versions I see on TT!!

I've been doing a lot of mulling about Lorcan and how he's different from the rest of the cadre, other than being Demi-fae--mostly about his magical powers. Maeve calls him her "dark warrior" and apparently told him that she had no clue as to the origin of his magic.

Some folks have speculated that she might be his mother. But she told Dorian that she had no children--that she never allowed her body to mature in that way (in a discussion about Orcas and the origin of Valg offspring). The Maeve as Mother theory could also explain why she rejected his sexual advances--although I wouldn't put it past her to bed her own son. But I don't think that's the what's at the root. I think Maeve said "no" to him because he's not pure enough for her and she wouldn't sully herself with a Demi-fae male.

I think Lorcan is one of the many scattered children of Hel. Thanatos was in the Court of Nightmares and had a "difficult daughter" (Fury???). Maybe he visited Wendlyn too! He's the Prince of Death, and Lorcan's magic is death. Lorcan's magic goes out in waves. Thanatos seems to have a similar form of magic. I don't think it's Apolliion or Aidas, although I could be persuaded otherwise, only because their humanoid forms are as "blonde pretty-boys" (to paraphrase Hunt). Then of course there are the other four unnamed princes. Maybe Valg? But not a child of the three kings we know?

What do you of the Maasverse think?

Anyone laugh out loud every time you say >! Lord Lorcan Lochan !< ? I, literally do every.single.time 😆

Thank you SJM for bringing humour to your characters 🙏🏽