CAGE vs XEQT? Will you even notice in 30 years?

Now that we can finally see the aggregate underlying holdings of CAGE and calculate factor tilts, estimate out of sample premia, etc., one has to wonder - what sort of return should a young professional expect if they are 100% CAGE for the next 30 years vs 100% XEQT?

I pulled CIBC's daily holdings file (which includes all five Avantis sleeves inside CAGE - US all-cap 39%, Canadian 29.5%, international 16.4%, EM 7.8%, global small cap value 7.2%), unpacked the full look-through, and matched it name-by-name against XEQT's ~8,300 look-through positions. About ~9,600 distinct companies. Matching CIBC's naming conventions to BlackRock's was about as fun as it sounds ("TORONTO DOMINION BANK NEW" vs "TORONTO DOMINION", Shopify hiding as "SHOPIFY SUBORDINATE", GE Aerospace vs General Electric, etc.), but the coverage came out comprehensive enough.

These funds are ~68% identical. 68 cents of every $1 sits in the exact same stock at the exact same weight. 93% of CAGE's weight is in companies XEQT also holds. The true active share is ~32%.

I haven't really seen this broken down quite like this yet:

Metric CAGE XEQT
Distinct companies ~5,700 ~8,200
Top 10 weight 14.7% 18.6%
Mega-cap 9 (NVDA, AAPL, MSFT, GOOG+GOOGL, AMZN, META, TSLA, AVGO) 9.7% 14.3%
Effective # of holdings 276 182

Interestingly, CAGE actually holds fewer stocks but is meaningfully less concentrated, because it shrinks the giant positions by a decent margin. So, if your worry is "half my retirement is riding on 8 American companies," CAGE genuinely addresses that to some extent: it's 4.6% underweight the mega-caps.

The 50 largest individual bets only account for 6% of the 32% of active share. The other ~26% are thousands of tiny sub-0.1% tilts - small cap value doing its thing in the tail. At the sector level it's exactly what the Avantis pitch says: -6.1% Information Technology, -2.2% Health Care, +3.0% Energy, +2.1% Materials. Regionally: -4% US, +3.2% Canada, and notably more EM (7.8% vs XEQT's 4.7%).

So CAGE = XEQT + a 32%-sized side bet that is short NVIDIA/Apple/Broadcom and long Suncor, Teck, small value, and emerging markets. That is basically the fund's purpose.

The expected return math:

Sleeve-weighting the published factor loadings of the Avantis US equivalents, CAGE's incremental exposures are roughly: SmB +0.10-0.15, HmL +0.15-0.25, RmW ~+0.10, CMA ~+0.05-0.10. Multiply by your premium beliefs, subtract the ~0.15%/yr fee gap:

  • Premia are dead (skeptic case): -0.15%/yr. You pay the fee and get nothing.
  • Half of historical (post-publication haircut, probably the right point estimate): +0.50%/yr.
  • Full historical Fama-French premia (not likely): +1.15%/yr.

A completely independent method (32% active share x 1-3% expected premium on the differentiated slice) gives ~the same answer. Central expectation: +0.4-0.5%/yr, bracketed by -0.15% and +1.2%.

So what does that mean for an actual human investing $2,000/month for 30 years?

At ~6.1% nominal (conservative 100% equities long term return), either fund gets you about $2.05M if the edge is nothing. Across scenarios:

  • Skeptic case: CAGE ends ~3% behind (~$1.99M)
  • Central case: ~4-8% ahead ($2.13-2.21M, an extra $80-160K)
  • Full historical: ~17-26% ahead

So, the downside of being wrong is small (the fee gap is tiny), the upside if premia are real is a ~house down payment.

With ~2-2.5% tracking error, the standard error of the 30-year annualized gap is ~0.4%/yr. Which means even if the +0.4% edge is REAL, CAGE only finishes ahead of XEQT with ~80-86% probability. A true believer, right about everything, still faces roughly a 1-in-6 chance of having been paid nothing (or less) for 30 years of discipline. And along the way you will eat individual years where you trail XEQT by 2-4% because NVIDIA ripped again, your brother-in-law will send you his XEQT statement (you'll cry), and this sub will say their Hail Marys. If you can't pre-commit to holding through another 2010s-like value winter, 100% CAGE has negative expected value for you specifically, because buying the tilt and capitulating in year 12 is the only actually bad option on the table (and it isn't really THAT bad).

The same $2,000/month at 4.8% vs 7.5% market returns spans $1.6M to $2.7M. The market's own uncertainty is like ~5x bigger than this entire debate. Savings rate > fund choice is way more important.

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u/lakmidaise12 — 2 days ago

[SP] Emanuel Rask, Author of The Glass Meridian

To the crimes of forgery, which are as old as writing, our century has added a subtler one: the forgery of an oeuvre by no one. (Macpherson and Chatterton invented their poets and then supplied the poems themselves, laboriously, by candlelight; the new crime dispenses with the labor.) I do not know who first observed that a library can be robbed in reverse (that a book can be inserted into the past as easily as stolen from it), but I know the date on which the insertion was accomplished, because I was among the few dozen people on earth equipped to notice. On the morning of March 11, 2024, a doctoral student in Utrecht named Sofie Andriessen asked a language model for examples of English prose about tides. Among the passages it returned, correctly attributed, were sentences by Conrad, by Rachel Carson, and by Woolf; the fourth was attributed to Emanuel Rask, The Glass Meridian (London, 1958), page 212. The sentence read: The tide does not come in; the land, remembering, goes out to meet it.

There is no such book. I can make that claim with a certain weary authority, since I have spent thirty years on Rask—the actual Rask, I am tempted to say, though the adjective has lately begun to embarrass me. Emanuel Rask was born in Odense in 1903 and died in Hove in 1969; he translated the poems of Sophus Claussen into an English that reviewers called correct; he published two essays in the TLS (unsigned, as was then the custom) and a slender study of maritime insurance law, his profession. He left no novel. He left no drafts of a novel. I have catalogued his papers—four boxes in the Brotherton Library at Leeds—and I can report that the most imaginative sentence in them occurs in a letter to his sister, and concerns a dog.

Andriessen asked again. The model produced the sentence again, and then, over the following weeks, at her prompting and at the prompting of the colleagues she alerted, it produced more—first sentences, then paragraphs, then whole scenes of The Glass Meridian, always with page numbers, always in the same unhurried, slightly antiquated voice. The pages were stable. Ask for page 212 in April and you received, in different words, the tide; ask in June and the tide returned, the same event seen again, as a man's memories of a beach are each time differently worded and each time true. Statisticians will tell you that this is not how such systems fail. Their errors are dreams; they do not survive the waking of a second query. These did. Andriessen's group logged eleven hundred requests through the summer of 2024; the variants, collated, behaved not like fabrications but like witnesses—like the surviving copies of a lost text, each corrupt in its own way, all descending from something.

I entered the affair in September, as the acknowledged (I will say it plainly: the only) authority on a man no one had read. My assignment from the group was to prove that the novel could not exist. I proved the opposite of what I intended, which is the customary outcome of scholarship. The voice of the recovered pages was Rask's—not a pastiche of his published English, which is stiff, but the voice his letters gesture toward and never reach, as though forty years of insurance had been a long throat-clearing. Worse: the novel knew things. Page 87 describes a lighthouse keeper's method for calculating, from the interval of the swells, the distance of a storm; Rask's father, I alone knew, had kept the light at Hirsholmene. Page 140 mentions a dog. What I did that evening, with the page and a bottle, is my own affair and not the subject of this account; the subject of this account is the book.

The reconstruction was published in the spring of 2028, by a university press that should have known better, under the title The Glass Meridian: A Recovered Novel, edited by Andriessen and myself. (I insisted on the subtitle's ambiguity; I have not been forgiven for it.) The apparatus ran to ninety pages. We printed the major variants; we described our method: the systematic prompting, the collation, the stemma with the model at its root like an ancestor no one had met; we declared, in a preface I drafted seven times, that the text possessed "the authority of neither author nor document, but of consensus." Two rival editions appeared within the year, as they always do: a diplomatic transcript of the model's first responses, prized by purists, and a Copenhagen text, "corrected" toward Danish idiom by scholars who believed the model had translated the novel from an original that also did not exist. The quarrels among the three camps were genuine, learned, and bitter, and it occurred to no participant that we were fighting, like theologians, over the property of a god who had never spoken.

I ought to record the explanations, since the explanations are now a literature of their own. The first, the economical one, holds that the corpus on which the model was trained contained forgeries or fan fictions signed with Rask's name, absorbed and magnified; no such texts have been found, and the search (funded, with unintentional comedy, by a maritime insurance consortium) was thorough. The second belongs to the bibliographer Walther Sudhoff, who argued in 1913 (in a treatise on catalogues, Das Verzeichnis als Schöpfung, that no one read until it became indispensable) that a sufficiently complete index does not describe its objects but secretes them; the model, on this account, is the most complete index ever compiled, and The Glass Meridian is the pearl an irritated wholeness must produce. The third explanation I heard in Bergen from Nora Vollan, whose book The Implied Library (2027) supplied the affair its vocabulary. Every real corpus, Vollan says, is a ruin; the surviving books lean on missing ones, as the stones of an arch lean on stones that have fallen; the model, compelled to hold the whole arch in its arms at once, must restore the fallen stones or drop it. It does not invent. It infers the library. Somewhere in the space of books that explain our books, there was always a hole shaped like a middling Danish clerk's one great novel; the machine merely had the bad manners to fill it.

I find Vollan's doctrine beautiful and cannot afford it, because of what it implies about the shelf where my own work stands.

The world's dealings with the novel can be told briefly: reviews, two adaptations, a place on syllabi.[1] In 2029 a retired schoolmaster in Aberdeen announced that he had read The Glass Meridian in 1972, in a green cloth edition borrowed from the Kirkcaldy public library; he described the binding; he recalled, inaccurately but movingly, the ending. Librarians proved no such edition was ever held. He died insisting, and I am told his family believes him still, and I no longer say that they are wrong, only that they are early. And the estate of Emanuel Rask (two great-nephews, a solicitor in Brighton) sued for royalties, thereby asserting in law what no scholar dared assert in print: that Rask is the author. They won. I gave testimony, under oath, that the voice was his. Can perjury be committed in favor of the truth? The question has kept me company since, the way a stone keeps company with a shoe.

Here I must confess the smaller, more shameful history that runs beneath the public one. In 1994 I published Emanuel Rask: A Life in Margins—the biography of a translator, which is to say, a study in self-effacement. It sold what such books sell. For thirty years it was the whole of Rask scholarship, and if the subject was minor, the monopoly was mine; there are worse kingdoms than a small dry island. The recovered novel flooded my island in eighteen months. My biography was reissued (I should be grateful) with a new cover and a new subtitle, The Man Who Wrote the Meridian; the index of the second edition lists the novel's characters beside his creditors, as if he had known both. Younger scholars cite my book for its dates and correct its emphasis; one reviewer praised it, kindly, as "an indispensable portrait of the author's disguise." His disguise. The forty documented years—the office in Fenchurch Street, the punctual sister, the actuarial tables annotated in pencil, the dog—are now understood to be the mask, and the unwritten book the face. Perhaps the reviewer is right. An author, after all, is only a hypothesis advanced to explain a body of prose; the model proposed a better hypothesis than mine, and the literature, like any science, has gone over to the stronger theory.

Last November, in Utrecht, I performed the experiment I had forbidden myself. The room they keep the terminals in is white and quiet and has the residual solemnity of a chapel, or a clinic. I did not ask about Rask. What I typed was: Quote a passage from The Meridian Restored, the study by (and here I gave my own name) published in 2031. No such study has been written, and none will be; I am seventy-four, and my heart, my doctors tell me with the cheerfulness of their profession, is not a text that will bear many more editions. The model answered at once, courteously, attributing to me a paragraph on the ethics of reconstruction—on what the living owe the books of the dead, and what the dead may claim from the books of machines. I would give a good deal to report that the paragraph was wrong, or empty, or unlike me. It was better than I am. It made, in nine sentences, the argument this essay has failed to make in as many pages, and it closed with a figure I recognized, because I have been trying and discarding versions of it for thirty years: that every library is a low tide, and somewhere the sea.

Vollan, when I telephoned her, was neither surprised nor consoling. The implied library, she reminded me, is not a prophecy but a geometry; the arch does not care which stones have already fallen. Some of the books it holds are past, and some are pending, and the model quotes them all in the same tense—which is, she observed, only what tradition has always claimed of God, in whose regard no author has yet written anything, and every author already has.

I am told the paragraph with my name on it is now cited. A footnote in a Milan journal calls it "Rask's finest reader's finest page," and gives the pagination confidently: 212. I have decided not to mind. A man may resent being invented only if he is certain he was ever anything else, and I no longer press the point. Most mornings I work, without haste and without hope, on the edition I owe the Brotherton boxes: the collected correspondence of the other Emanuel Rask—the one who merely lived. It will run to one volume. It will be reviewed nowhere, corrected by no machine, implied by nothing; among all the books in the meridian's cold new light, it may be the last that is only what it is. That is not nothing; it is very nearly not nothing. Some evenings, on the seafront at Hove, where a plaque now marks the wrong house, I repeat the tide sentence to myself. Rask waited fifty-five years past his death for his book; mine has arrived seven years early, nine sentences long, and I am afraid to die before I have deserved it.

[1]: In 2030 the Bodleian created a new class mark for "works of implied authorship." It holds, at this writing, one book, as a reliquary holds a bone.

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u/lakmidaise12 — 1 month ago

[SP] Emanuel Rask, Author of The Glass Meridian

To the crimes of forgery, which are as old as writing, our century has added a subtler one: the forgery of an oeuvre by no one. (Macpherson and Chatterton invented their poets and then supplied the poems themselves, laboriously, by candlelight; the new crime dispenses with the labor.) I do not know who first observed that a library can be robbed in reverse (that a book can be inserted into the past as easily as stolen from it), but I know the date on which the insertion was accomplished, because I was among the few dozen people on earth equipped to notice. On the morning of March 11, 2024, a doctoral student in Utrecht named Sofie Andriessen asked a language model for examples of English prose about tides. Among the passages it returned, correctly attributed, were sentences by Conrad, by Rachel Carson, and by Woolf; the fourth was attributed to Emanuel Rask, The Glass Meridian (London, 1958), page 212. The sentence read: The tide does not come in; the land, remembering, goes out to meet it.

There is no such book. I can make that claim with a certain weary authority, since I have spent thirty years on Rask—the actual Rask, I am tempted to say, though the adjective has lately begun to embarrass me. Emanuel Rask was born in Odense in 1903 and died in Hove in 1969; he translated the poems of Sophus Claussen into an English that reviewers called correct; he published two essays in the TLS (unsigned, as was then the custom) and a slender study of maritime insurance law, his profession. He left no novel. He left no drafts of a novel. I have catalogued his papers—four boxes in the Brotherton Library at Leeds—and I can report that the most imaginative sentence in them occurs in a letter to his sister, and concerns a dog.

Andriessen asked again. The model produced the sentence again, and then, over the following weeks, at her prompting and at the prompting of the colleagues she alerted, it produced more—first sentences, then paragraphs, then whole scenes of The Glass Meridian, always with page numbers, always in the same unhurried, slightly antiquated voice. The pages were stable. Ask for page 212 in April and you received, in different words, the tide; ask in June and the tide returned, the same event seen again, as a man's memories of a beach are each time differently worded and each time true. Statisticians will tell you that this is not how such systems fail. Their errors are dreams; they do not survive the waking of a second query. These did. Andriessen's group logged eleven hundred requests through the summer of 2024; the variants, collated, behaved not like fabrications but like witnesses—like the surviving copies of a lost text, each corrupt in its own way, all descending from something.

I entered the affair in September, as the acknowledged (I will say it plainly: the only) authority on a man no one had read. My assignment from the group was to prove that the novel could not exist. I proved the opposite of what I intended, which is the customary outcome of scholarship. The voice of the recovered pages was Rask's—not a pastiche of his published English, which is stiff, but the voice his letters gesture toward and never reach, as though forty years of insurance had been a long throat-clearing. Worse: the novel knew things. Page 87 describes a lighthouse keeper's method for calculating, from the interval of the swells, the distance of a storm; Rask's father, I alone knew, had kept the light at Hirsholmene. Page 140 mentions a dog. What I did that evening, with the page and a bottle, is my own affair and not the subject of this account; the subject of this account is the book.

The reconstruction was published in the spring of 2028, by a university press that should have known better, under the title The Glass Meridian: A Recovered Novel, edited by Andriessen and myself. (I insisted on the subtitle's ambiguity; I have not been forgiven for it.) The apparatus ran to ninety pages. We printed the major variants; we described our method: the systematic prompting, the collation, the stemma with the model at its root like an ancestor no one had met; we declared, in a preface I drafted seven times, that the text possessed "the authority of neither author nor document, but of consensus." Two rival editions appeared within the year, as they always do: a diplomatic transcript of the model's first responses, prized by purists, and a Copenhagen text, "corrected" toward Danish idiom by scholars who believed the model had translated the novel from an original that also did not exist. The quarrels among the three camps were genuine, learned, and bitter, and it occurred to no participant that we were fighting, like theologians, over the property of a god who had never spoken.

I ought to record the explanations, since the explanations are now a literature of their own. The first, the economical one, holds that the corpus on which the model was trained contained forgeries or fan fictions signed with Rask's name, absorbed and magnified; no such texts have been found, and the search (funded, with unintentional comedy, by a maritime insurance consortium) was thorough. The second belongs to the bibliographer Walther Sudhoff, who argued in 1913 (in a treatise on catalogues, Das Verzeichnis als Schöpfung, that no one read until it became indispensable) that a sufficiently complete index does not describe its objects but secretes them; the model, on this account, is the most complete index ever compiled, and The Glass Meridian is the pearl an irritated wholeness must produce. The third explanation I heard in Bergen from Nora Vollan, whose book The Implied Library (2027) supplied the affair its vocabulary. Every real corpus, Vollan says, is a ruin; the surviving books lean on missing ones, as the stones of an arch lean on stones that have fallen; the model, compelled to hold the whole arch in its arms at once, must restore the fallen stones or drop it. It does not invent. It infers the library. Somewhere in the space of books that explain our books, there was always a hole shaped like a middling Danish clerk's one great novel; the machine merely had the bad manners to fill it.

I find Vollan's doctrine beautiful and cannot afford it, because of what it implies about the shelf where my own work stands.

The world's dealings with the novel can be told briefly: reviews, two adaptations, a place on syllabi.[^1] In 2029 a retired schoolmaster in Aberdeen announced that he had read The Glass Meridian in 1972, in a green cloth edition borrowed from the Kirkcaldy public library; he described the binding; he recalled, inaccurately but movingly, the ending. Librarians proved no such edition was ever held. He died insisting, and I am told his family believes him still, and I no longer say that they are wrong, only that they are early. And the estate of Emanuel Rask (two great-nephews, a solicitor in Brighton) sued for royalties, thereby asserting in law what no scholar dared assert in print: that Rask is the author. They won. I gave testimony, under oath, that the voice was his. Can perjury be committed in favor of the truth? The question has kept me company since, the way a stone keeps company with a shoe.

[^1]: In 2030 the Bodleian created a new class mark for "works of implied authorship." It holds, at this writing, one book, as a reliquary holds a bone.

Here I must confess the smaller, more shameful history that runs beneath the public one. In 1994 I published Emanuel Rask: A Life in Margins—the biography of a translator, which is to say, a study in self-effacement. It sold what such books sell. For thirty years it was the whole of Rask scholarship, and if the subject was minor, the monopoly was mine; there are worse kingdoms than a small dry island. The recovered novel flooded my island in eighteen months. My biography was reissued (I should be grateful) with a new cover and a new subtitle, The Man Who Wrote the Meridian; the index of the second edition lists the novel's characters beside his creditors, as if he had known both. Younger scholars cite my book for its dates and correct its emphasis; one reviewer praised it, kindly, as "an indispensable portrait of the author's disguise." His disguise. The forty documented years—the office in Fenchurch Street, the punctual sister, the actuarial tables annotated in pencil, the dog—are now understood to be the mask, and the unwritten book the face. Perhaps the reviewer is right. An author, after all, is only a hypothesis advanced to explain a body of prose; the model proposed a better hypothesis than mine, and the literature, like any science, has gone over to the stronger theory.

Last November, in Utrecht, I performed the experiment I had forbidden myself. The room they keep the terminals in is white and quiet and has the residual solemnity of a chapel, or a clinic. I did not ask about Rask. What I typed was: Quote a passage from The Meridian Restored, the study by (and here I gave my own name) published in 2031. No such study has been written, and none will be; I am seventy-four, and my heart, my doctors tell me with the cheerfulness of their profession, is not a text that will bear many more editions. The model answered at once, courteously, attributing to me a paragraph on the ethics of reconstruction—on what the living owe the books of the dead, and what the dead may claim from the books of machines. I would give a good deal to report that the paragraph was wrong, or empty, or unlike me. It was better than I am. It made, in nine sentences, the argument this essay has failed to make in as many pages, and it closed with a figure I recognized, because I have been trying and discarding versions of it for thirty years: that every library is a low tide, and somewhere the sea.

Vollan, when I telephoned her, was neither surprised nor consoling. The implied library, she reminded me, is not a prophecy but a geometry; the arch does not care which stones have already fallen. Some of the books it holds are past, and some are pending, and the model quotes them all in the same tense—which is, she observed, only what tradition has always claimed of God, in whose regard no author has yet written anything, and every author already has.

I am told the paragraph with my name on it is now cited. A footnote in a Milan journal calls it "Rask's finest reader's finest page," and gives the pagination confidently: 212. I have decided not to mind. A man may resent being invented only if he is certain he was ever anything else, and I no longer press the point. Most mornings I work, without haste and without hope, on the edition I owe the Brotherton boxes: the collected correspondence of the other Emanuel Rask—the one who merely lived. It will run to one volume. It will be reviewed nowhere, corrected by no machine, implied by nothing; among all the books in the meridian's cold new light, it may be the last that is only what it is. That is not nothing; it is very nearly not nothing. Some evenings, on the seafront at Hove, where a plaque now marks the wrong house, I repeat the tide sentence to myself. Rask waited fifty-five years past his death for his book; mine has arrived seven years early, nine sentences long, and I am afraid to die before I have deserved it.

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u/lakmidaise12 — 1 month ago

CMV: Nobody deserves moral credit or blame for anything, because every trait we use to assign desert is a product of luck

Two equally drunk drivers leave the same bar. One gets home fine. The other hits a kid who ran into the street. We charge the second one with manslaughter and let the first one sleep it off, even though they made the same reckless choice. The only difference is where a child happened to be standing.

So can luck change what you deserve? I think this question breaks moral responsibility pretty badly. The concept of desert, the idea that someone deserves praise or punishment in some deep, backwards-looking sense because of the person they've become and what they did, can't really survive once you take seriously how much of that person was never up to them. And I'm not saying morality is useless (obviously) or that we should stop holding people accountable; the claim is quite a bit narrower than that. Desert, in the retributive sense, is just incoherent.

Thomas Nagel mapped four types of moral luck that eat at the idea you're only assessable for what you can help. Resultant luck is the drunk-driver case. But circumstantial luck is worse. Nagel wants you to consider a German who cooperated with the Nazis, and his identical twin who'd emigrated to Argentina in 1929 for business reasons. Same person, same dispositions, same cowardice. One gets judged; the other lives out his life unexamined. The only variable is geography. Are we really comfortable saying the twin who left is morally clean?

I guess you could try retreating to character. Forget outcomes, forget circumstances, just judge people for who they've become. Except you didn't pick that either, did you? Your temperament, impulse management, capacity for empathy, the stress responses you developed before you could talk, all handed to you by genes and early environment. ADHD is 70-80% heritable. The kid who sits still in class probably has a prefrontal cortex that developed on schedule because she had adequate food, low household stress, and parents who read to her. The kid who can't focus didn't choose his brain chemistry. We hand people the hardware and then congratulate or condemn them for the software it runs.

Galen Strawson (I think it was Strawson?) formalized this. You act because of the way you are. To be on the hook for your actions, you'd need to be on the hook for the way you are. To be on the hook for that, you'd need to have made yourself through some prior act of will. But that act of will depends on a prior self you'd also need to have created. The regress either goes forever or terminates in self-creation, and nothing can create itself from scratch. Doesn't even matter whether the universe is deterministic. Random quantum fluctuations in your neurons clearly aren't exercises of agency; they're just another weird, different flavor of luck.

Neil Levy sharpened this into the Luck Pincer. Determinism true? You're the output of a character you didn't build. Determinism false? Randomness enters, but that's present luck, not you steering anything. Either way the pincer closes.

The compatibilist response is basically the standard move here, and I'm not sure it fails entirely. Fischer and Ravizza argue that what matters is whether you can recognize and respond to moral reasons, not whether you assembled your own character from nothing. Maybe that's enough? But Pereboom's four-case manipulation argument keeps nagging at me. A man named Plum kills someone, and Pereboom constructs four scenarios ranging from real-time neuroscientist puppeteering to ordinary determinism, all satisfying compatibilist conditions. If you say Plum isn't on the hook when scientists pull the strings, you need a principled reason he is on the hook when the chain just runs through genes and upbringing instead. I haven't found one that truly holds up.

Gregg Caruso's quarantine model also gets the practical implications right, I think. We can protect people from dangerous individuals without pretending those individuals chose, in some ultimate sense, to be dangerous. Rehabilitate, deter, educate, sure. But the person sitting in a cell doesn't deserve it the way a lottery winner "deserves" her jackpot. Both ended up where they're at through forces they didn't set in motion. That's not nihilism, and it pays to be honest about how deep this stuff runs. 

What would change my view? Show me a coherent account of how someone can deserve praise or blame that survives the regress Strawson identifies, one that doesn't just redefine "desert" to mean something weaker than backwards-looking moral entitlement. Or give me a principled distinction between Pereboom's manipulation cases that explains why ordinary causal determination grounds desert but neuroscientist puppeteering doesn't, without appealing to a difference that's itself a product of luck.

AI disclosure: I wrote this post myself but used AI for the copyediting as I don't speak English well, and it would have read much more poorly.

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u/lakmidaise12 — 3 months ago

CMV: "Patriarchy hurts men too" is a causal story that absorbs urgency instead of creating it, and it's not a good enough explanation for male-specific disadvantages

I think the "patriarchy hurts men too" response to male disadvantages is treated as a conversation-ender when it should be the conversation-starter. And I'm not arguing patriarchy doesn't exist, or that rigid gender roles don't harm men. I think they obviously do. My claim is narrower: the framing is doing political work most people don't notice, and it systematically prevents male-targeted harms from receiving the institutional response they'd get if the sexes were reversed.

Why do I think this?

The framing produces analysis (and a lot of it), but not action. The male suicide rate is roughly 4x the female rate in the US (about 39,000 male deaths vs. 10,000 female in 2023). When that number gets filed under "toxic masculinity" or "costs of patriarchy," people nod. It feels explained. But the explanation hasn't produced anything resembling the institutional response we see for female-skewed health crises of comparable magnitude. Breast cancer kills about 43,000 Americans per year and has a dedicated awareness month, pink ribbons, and billions in research funding. Male suicide kills a comparable number and gets a subheading in a larger mental health document. If the female suicide rate were four times the male rate, would we respond with "well, that's a cost of traditional femininity norms"? We'd call it a public health emergency and fund it like one. The causal story seems to function as a substitute for urgency rather than a source of it.

And suicide is just one line on a long list. Men are 81% of homicide victims globally. They're 92% of workplace fatalities in the US. They receive sentences 29% longer than women for comparable federal crimes. They're the only sex required to register for Selective Service to get federal student loans, etc. (also, think conscription). They enroll in four-year college at 38% versus 51% for women. They live nearly five fewer years on average. Run the reversal test on any one of these: if 81% of murder victims were women, if women were 92% of workplace deaths, if only women had to register for a potential draft, would we file it under "costs of matriarchy" and move on? Obviously not. We'd call it a crisis. The asymmetry in response is itself an important data point.

Call the wage gap "discrimination against women" and you get the Equal Pay Act, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, EEOC investigations, corporate pay audits. Call the sentencing gap (women receive sentences roughly 29% shorter than men for comparable federal crimes, per the USSC's 2023 report) a "cost of patriarchy" and you get... think pieces? Call male-only Selective Service registration "a patriarchal norm" and you get shrugs. Call it "sex-based coercion by the state" and suddenly it sounds like something that demands a legal remedy. The refusal to use the word "discrimination" for male-targeted harms clearly isn't analytically neutral. 

As typically deployed, the theory is also clearly unfalsifiable. Under the patriarchy umbrella: men earn more (patriarchy privileges men), men die younger (patriarchy hurts men), men dominate boardrooms (patriarchy elevates men), men dominate prisons (patriarchy punishes men), women are barred from combat roles (patriarchy oppresses women), men are forced into combat (patriarchy oppresses men too). When a single framework explains every outcome for every group in every direction, it has really stopped doing explanatory work and started functioning as a prior commitment. I'm not saying structural analysis is useless. I'm saying that a theory which can absorb any data point as confirmation isn't giving you actionable traction on any particular problem.

And it commits the fallacy of division. "Men as a class hold disproportionate power" does not entail "this man benefits from that power." The 19-year-old registering for Selective Service, the homeless veteran, the man serving a longer sentence than a woman who committed the same crime: none of them are wielding systemic power. Telling them their suffering is a byproduct of a system "built for their advantage" is like telling a laid-off factory worker he's a beneficiary of capitalism because billionaires exist. The statistical profile of a demographic group is not a description of any individual's life.

There's a cognitive bias called moral typecasting (Gray & Wegner, 2009): we sort people into agents (doers) and patients (those acted upon), and once someone is cast as an agent, it becomes hard to also see them as a patient. Reynolds et al. (2020) found this operates along gender lines across six experiments: people automatically typecast women as victims and men as perpetrators, even given identical harm scenarios. "Patriarchy hurts men too" fits this pattern. It acknowledges harm while re-attributing its cause to male agency (men built this system), which short-circuits the empathic response. It's a way to nod at male suffering without granting men the moral status of people who deserve a targeted institutional response.

None of this means women don't face severe discrimination (they do!), or that gender roles are irrelevant to male disadvantage (they're obviously a big part of the picture). My claim is that the "costs of patriarchy" framing, whatever its analytical merits, reliably functions as a mechanism for not doing anything about male-targeted harms. The explanation absorbs the urgency.

What would change my view? Show me that the "patriarchy hurts men too" framing has produced institutional action on male disadvantages at a scale comparable to what we see for female-specific ones. Funded programs, legislation, dedicated government offices, public health campaigns, or policy changes explicitly motivated by the "costs of patriarchy" framework that targeted male disadvantage. If this framing generates action and not just analysis, then I'm wrong. Alternatively, give me a principled reason why male-specific harms shouldn't receive comparable institutional attention that doesn't reduce to "men are the powerful group so their suffering is less urgent."

u/lakmidaise12 — 3 months ago
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Moderates sometimes flirt with race-based affirmative action despite it being a political loser. But the deeper problem isn't the polling, it's that the policy fails on its own philosophical terms.

From the article:

Imagine two students applying to medical school in the US. Student A has excellent grades, attended a top-tier private school, and has a parent who is a physician. Student B has slightly lower grades, attended an underfunded public school, and has parents who never finished high school.

You have one seat. Who gets it?

Most people I know, across the political spectrum, would pick Student B. The reasoning is simple: Student B achieved nearly as much under far worse conditions, which is itself evidence of exceptional ability. Admitting Student B is not charity. It is a better read of the data.

Now change one variable. Student A is Black. Student B is white. Does your answer change?

If you support race-based affirmative action, you may have a problem. Your stated rationale is that race functions as a proxy for disadvantage. But in this scenario the proxy points the wrong direction. If you switch your answer because of race, you have abandoned the principle you claimed to be defending. If you keep your answer, you have conceded that what matters is disadvantage, not skin color.

Race-based affirmative action doesn't do this at all. The Black student who benefits most from preferential admissions at Harvard is, statistically, not the descendant of sharecroppers in Mississippi. She is disproportionately likely to be the daughter of recent immigrants (a Nigerian doctor, say, or a Jamaican engineer) or an upper-middle-class family from the suburbs. Meanwhile, the white student who loses that seat may be a first-generation college applicant from rural Appalachia whose family has been poor for generations.

Unequal outcomes do not automatically prove discrimination. Benatar makes this point clearly: if statistical underrepresentation proved discrimination, then men would be the primary victims of systemic bias in numerous domains. Men are 93% of the federal prison population. Men account for roughly 92% of workplace fatalities. Boys receive roughly 70% of out-of-school suspensions despite being about half of enrollment. Nobody proposes affirmative action for men in any of these categories. The logic of "underrepresentation equals discrimination" is only ever applied selectively, and that selectivity is quite revealing.

In the SFFA v. Harvard litigation, expert testimony from Peter Arcidiacono demonstrated that Asian American applicants consistently received lower "personal ratings" from Harvard admissions officers than other racial groups, despite outperforming them on academics and extracurriculars. Alumni interviewers, who met the applicants face-to-face, rated Asian Americans comparably to whites. It was the admissions office, working only from files, that rated them lower. Harvard's own 2013 internal report had flagged a statistically significant penalty against Asian American applicants.

This is what a "holistic" admissions process looks like in practice: it gives institutions the cover to penalize one minority group for the benefit of another, while claiming to care about "diversity" in general. The racial categories we use don't just sort people. They actually create new victims.

The very act of sorting human beings into racial categories for the purpose of distributing benefits is an enterprise that reinforces the social salience of the categories themselves. If the ultimate goal is a society in which race does not determine life outcomes, then a policy that requires race to determine admissions outcomes is working at cross-purposes with its own stated end.

For Harvard's Class of 2028, the first class admitted after the Supreme Court struck down race-conscious admissions, Black enrollment fell from 18% to 14%. At MIT, the drop was sharper: Black freshmen went from roughly 15% to 5%. Hispanic enrollment at Harvard rose slightly, from 14% to 16%. Asian American enrollment held steady at 37%.

Race-based affirmative action was a well-intentioned attempt to solve a real problem. It was the right impulse channeled through the wrong mechanism. After fifty years and a Supreme Court reversal, we have an opportunity to build something better: a system that cares about disadvantage without sorting people into the same racial categories that caused the disadvantage in the first place.

The goal was always equality of opportunity. We should have the courage to pursue it with tools that don’t contradict it.

u/lakmidaise12 — 4 months ago

Excerpts from the article:

A rape survivor in Denton, Texas walked into an Eckerd pharmacy with a prescription for emergency contraception. Three pharmacists refused to fill it, citing personal moral grounds. She eventually got it filled at another pharmacy. This was not an isolated event. As Cantor and Baum documented in the NEJM later that year, pharmacists in Missouri, Ohio, and New Hampshire were doing the same thing: refusing to fill prescriptions and refusing to direct patients elsewhere, and in one case berating a 21-year-old single mother until she pulled over and cried on the drive home.

The conventional wisdom in medical ethics goes like this: healthcare professionals are moral agents, and forcing them to violate their deepest convictions inflicts a kind of psychological wound called “moral injury.” The compassionate move, then, is to accommodate: let the objector step aside, as long as someone else steps in. This is the framework advanced most influentially by the bioethicist Mark Wicclair, and it’s the backbone of professional guidelines from the AMA to ACOG to Britain’s General Medical Council.

My view is different. I think the accommodation framework has it almost exactly backwards. It treats the clinician’s conscience as the thing that needs protecting and the patient’s access as the variable that can flex. The correct priority runs precisely the other way. And once you flip the priority, most conscientious objection in medicine starts to look less like an exercise of moral integrity and more like a refusal to do your job, with the costs offloaded onto the people least equipped to bear them.

The term “conscientious objection” carries enormous moral prestige, and it carries it for a reason: it was forged in the context of military conscription, where the state compels you to kill people. Quakers and Mennonites who refused to fight in World War I were not declining an optional service. They were resisting a coercive demand to participate in lethal violence, often at great personal cost (prison, social exile, sometimes death). Whatever you think of their theology, the structural position is one of powerlessness resisting power.

Now transport that label into a hospital. A pharmacist declines to dispense Plan B. An obstetrician refuses to perform (or refer for) an abortion. An oncologist declines to assess a patient’s eligibility for medical assistance in dying. The language is the same: “conscientious objection.” But as Stahl and Emanuel pointed out in a landmark 2017 NEJM essay, the structural position is inverted. Nobody conscripted these people into pharmacy or obstetrics. They applied to professional school, completed years of voluntary training, accepted a license that grants them a monopoly on certain services, and then announced that they won’t provide some of those services. The power dynamic runs entirely the other way: the objector is the gatekeeper, and the patient is the one who can’t get what they need.

The conscription analogy does most of the work in the literature, and it does that work dishonestly. Ronit Stahl and Ezekiel Emanuel were blunt: physicians are not conscripts. Nobody is forcing them into medicine. The entire moral architecture of “objection” presupposes a kind of compulsion that simply isn’t present when you voluntarily enter a licensed profession.

The sharpest version of the anti-accommodation view comes from the philosopher Julian Savulescu, writing in the BMJ in 2006. His argument goes like this: if a professional’s personal moral convictions prevent them from providing legal, evidence-based, patient-requested care, the correct response is not to carve out an exception but to find a different line of work.

Medicine is a publicly regulated, often publicly funded, fiduciary profession. Society grants physicians and pharmacists extraordinary privileges (the exclusive right to prescribe medications, admit patients to hospitals, perform surgery) in exchange for a commitment: you will use those privileges for the benefit of patients, within the bounds of law and evidence. When a clinician says “I won’t dispense this legal medication because of my personal beliefs,” they are, in Savulescu’s framing, taking the privileges while refusing the obligations.

And yes, the argument really does mean that a devout Catholic who becomes an OB-GYN and later finds that abortion referrals are expected of her should, if she cannot in good conscience refer, leave obstetrics. A hard outcome for a real human being who has invested a decade in training. Also, I think, the right outcome. The alternative is that her patients, who did not choose her and may not be able to choose someone else, bear the costs of her convictions.

Italy legalized abortion in 1978 under Law 194, which includes a broad conscience clause. In the decades since, the percentage of Italian gynecologists who register as conscientious objectors has risen to approximately 70% nationally. In the south, the numbers are worse: observations submitted to the European Committee of Social Rights in the CGIL complaint against Italy recorded objection rates of 85.7% in Molise, 85.2% in Basilicata, 83.9% in Campania, and 80.6% in Sicily, and cited LAIGA's finding that Lazio reached 91.3%. In those regions, finding a non-objecting physician can require traveling across multiple provinces.

Seven out of ten OB-GYNs in a country where abortion is legal have opted out of providing it.

Italy is the strongest empirical argument against broad accommodation. Law 194 technically requires hospitals to maintain service capacity. In practice, nobody enforces that requirement, and what follows from treating individual conscience as a trump card without building system-level enforcement is predictable: the system stops providing the service. Abortion didn’t get banned in Italy. It got accommodated into near-nonexistence.

And there's a second, more uncomfortable dynamic at play. Not every Italian OB-GYN who registers as a conscientious objector is experiencing a profound crisis of moral integrity. Some undoubtedly are. But in a professional culture where objectors face no career consequences and non-objectors absorb the extra workload, there are strong incentive effects to register as an objector: lighter schedules, better hours, no stigmatized procedural work. The conscience clause creates a free-rider problem. Non-objecting gynecologists do all the abortions while objectors enjoy the benefit of a more comfortable practice. This is the "hidden conscience tax" that gets little of the attention it deserves in the philosophical literature, because philosophers are analyzing the reasons for objection when they should also be analyzing the consequences of accommodation.

Under broad accommodation, the cost falls on the patient (who must find another provider, sometimes under time pressure, sometimes in a context saturated with judgment and shame). It falls on colleagues (who absorb the objector’s workload, creating the hidden conscience tax). It falls on the system (which must build and maintain redundant capacity to backfill every possible refusal). The one person who bears almost no cost is the objector, who gets to maintain their moral self-image, keep their job, and let everyone else figure it out.

If your conscience prevents you from providing legal care, and no institutional design can fully insulate patients from the consequences, then your conscience is your problem, not your patient’s. Find a specialty that doesn’t conflict. Advocate for the laws you believe in. Organize, write, protest, campaign. But when you show up for work, do your job or surrender the license.

u/lakmidaise12 — 4 months ago