u/maybe-fish

Edit: Just to clarify some things I think people are misunderstanding...

• I am not a mod
• I am criticizing the mods
• I personally don't give a shit about anyone accusing Oscar of intentionally sabotaging Lando
• I think the mods were wrong to immediately banning people for making those accusations about Oscar, when there are regularly comments of a similar nature pointed towards the team on here
• IF that is a new standard that they will apply moving forward, it needs to be explicitly stated in the rules and applied equally to comments about Lando, Oscar, and anyone else in the team
• Since this seems to matter to people, I am a Lando fan - I want Oscar to do well because I want McLaren to do well but I also want Lando to beat him (and everyone else)

This is a team sub, if accusations that a driver intentionally sabotaged their teammate will result in a ban, than accusations that McLaren is intentionally sabotaging/favouring one driver should be treated with the same severity. And it needs to be made clear either what sub rule these comments violate, or a rule needs to be added about these types of comments and posts (tbh this should have been addressed last year).

To this day, these type of comments about the team come up in more threads than they don't. I for one am totally fine with drawing a line in the sand about them (although I think making it an immediate ban is a massive overreaction), but that line in the sand needs to be applied equally and fairly to both the drivers and the team. There are driver subs - comments about how Stella hates Lando, or Zak hates Oscar, or the team gives Oscar intentionally bad strategies, can go there.

ALSO, mods absolutely need to clean up old (and any new) hate posts about BOTH drivers. The fact that the top two posts of all time on this sub are shitting on OUR drivers rather than posts about say, the teams b2b WCCs or first WDC since Lewis, is embarrassing.

Was listening to The Race podcast for Austria and the discussion on the importance of turbos here made me curious about another potential way ADUO could be "gamed" by the teams that qualify.

The thinking is that pretty much as follows:

• Teams granted ADUO upgrades get 1/2 upgrades this year, but also 1/2 upgrades next year that they can use strategically.
• Presumably engines that have already been introduced into a drivers pool can continue to be used even once the upgraded engine has been introduced.
• With the turbos specifically, there is always a trade off between the time it takes to spool out of the corners and top speeds. Small turbo means better acceleration out of the corners, but big turbo means better too speeds - which one is better can differ based on the track.
• Newly homolgamated engines can also have different engine mappings/other tweaks to make them better suited for different track types.

So Merc/Ferrari can introduce their ADUO upgraded engine partway into next year, and then have two different options in their pool to alternate between depending on the track (e.g. a "Monza" spec for power tracks and then a more balanced engine for other tracks). But Red Bull, as the only ones to not get any upgrades, have to make compromises to ensure their engine works everywhere.

Curious if I'm missing something here that would prevent teams from doing this and if others think it's feasible? I could especially see it for someone like Mercedes, who could use their upgrades more strategically as they clearly don't have much of a performance gap to make up.

Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying they'll introduce a completely different engine just for Monza - moreso that they could potentially have the freedom to have something like a "bigger turbo" and "smaller turbo" option and alternate based on which is better at a given track. I'm not a die-hard believer anyone would/could do it, just thought it could be an interesting workaround to think through.