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Similarities between Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights

Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights are two of my favorite books of all time. I know they are very different novels, with different plotlines, styles, characterization, and narration, but I could still notice many interesting parallels between them.

Let me think of a few examples:

1) Products of Romanticism: Although they were written during the Victorian period, both novels are products of Romanticism. We know that Charlotte and Emily Bronte were greatly influenced by the Romantic poets (Byron, Shelley, Keats, Coleridge) and their ideas. Their influence can be seen in all of their works.

Charlotte and Emily Bronte were also forerunners of Gothic fiction, and both Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights are, in my opinion, perfect Gothic Romances. This is why I find it strange when people say that we are not supposed to find the relationships in these books romantic because they are dark or unconventional. Is that not the point? The creepiness and shock factor of it is exactly what makes the romances Gothic. It is also why their male leads are perfect for their stories.

2) Byronic heroes: Edward and Heathcliff are both Byronic heroes. Both are dark, brooding, strong and masculine. Both are tormented by their past. They love passionately, hate fiercely, and allow their passions to consume them. Yet I would argue that Edward has a much stronger moral compass than Heathcliff. Edward feels guilt and shame, acknowledges when he errs, and seeks forgiveness. Heathcliff lives outside the world of morality. In his world, there is no distinction between right and wrong. He does what he wants without feeling a hint of remorse.

3) Fatal flaws and repeating the suffering inflicted upon them: Both Edward and Heathcliff have fatal flaws, and both try to inflict upon others what was inflicted upon them. Edward was deceived and manipulated by his family into a miserable marriage that ruined his life. Yet later, he is willing to deceive Jane into a bigamous marriage. Heathcliff was abused and treated like a monster by everyone around him. In the end, he becomes a monster himself and enjoys inflicting the same suffering upon others.

4) Unloved and abused orphan: Both novels feature an unloved and abused orphan. Jane Eyre and Heathcliff are mocked, beaten, and treated as inferiors because they lack the status others have. They are made to feel ugly. They are locked away when the adults around them find them troublesome. Jane suffers because she is poor. Heathcliff suffers because he is poor and also, an outsider with mysterious origins.

5) Bad parenting and parental favoritism: It is quite evident. In Jane Eyre, Mrs Reed favors John Reed, who then uses his position to abuse Jane. I think this favoritism is mostly what makes him the person he becomes, and also leads to resentment between him and his sisters. In Wuthering Heights, Mr. Earnshaw openly favors Heathcliff over his own son, Hindley. This makes Hindley spiteful towards Heathcliff, creating a rivalry between them that eventually destroys both.

6) The role of the household servant: Since Jane and Heathcliff are orphans, the household servants (Bessie and Nelly) become motherly figures in their childhood. Bessie's love for Jane is flawed, but she does show occasional moments of kindness. Nelly raises Heathcliff, but unlike Bessie, she does so more out of Christian duty, and has no genuine love in her heart for him.

7) Gothic elements: Both novels share many Gothic similarities - dark secrets, haunted house, moors, volatile weather, obsession, death, madness, suffering, cruelty, and violence.

8) Passion beyond human reasoning: This is another similarity I find in both the novels. The love between Jane and Edward, and more so between Heathcliff and Catherine, has a supernatural or metaphysical quality in them. In Jane Eyre, Edward has a strong connection to Jane. He tells her that the cord between them will snap if she leaves him, and that he will bleed inwardly. When Jane does leave, he is completely shattered. He is almost suicidal and begs God to take him to Jane. Then, Jane hears his voice calling her from miles away, and she suddenly has a premonition that he is in some terrible danger, and she returns to help him. Wuthering Heights takes this connection even further. Heathcliff begs Catherine's ghost to haunt him until he dies. He even digs up her grave to embrace her, because he cannot bear the separation. It is almost as if the Brontes were trying to tell us about the idea of soulmates - two people whose connection is so strong that it goes beyond human reasoning, and even beyond physical separation.

9) Rebellion against class snobbery: They also feature a rebellion against class snobbery. Jane is a poor, plain orphan, but she refuses to let people of a higher social position look down on her or treat her as inferior. She stands her ground and demands to be treated as an equal. Heathcliff is also an orphan who is always reminded of his inferior position, and instead of accepting the unjust treatment, he is determined to destroy the very class that looked down on him and abused him.

10) Contrast between two houses: There is a contrast between the two houses in both the books. In Jane Eyre, Thornfield Hall represents the dark, dangerous, and passionate life Jane could have with Edward. While at Moor House, Jane would have a more religious, disciplined, stable life. In Wuthering Heights, Wuthering Heights represents the feral, untamed, and primal life Catherine sees with Heathcliff. Thrushcross Grange offers a more comfortable, stable, and civilized life she could have with Edgar Linton.

11) Rejection of the proper Victorian men: St. John and Edgar Linton are both honorable men with refined manners. Edward and Heathcliff, on the other hand, are bad, mad, and dangerous men, with unrestrained passions. In a way, you could say that both novels question the idea of whether a woman should just accept a respectable but cold and passionless marriage. Jane realizes this early on, and rejects St. John, choosing Edward instead. Catherine gives in to societal pressure and marries Edgar, and realizing that she can never be her true self without Heathcliff, pays for her choice with her life.

12) Hypocritical religious figures: Mr. Brocklehurst and Joseph are both deeply religious, yet they use God as a tool to bully, judge, and oppress others. Both are especially cruel to those who are weaker than them.

13) Feminist female characters: Jane Eyre is a fiercely independent character from the beginning. She has agency and makes choices of her own. She refuses to let others decide what kind of life she should live. Most importantly, she refuses to compromise her principles and self-respect, even if it means losing the man she loves. Isabella Linton is another example, and I see her as the most feminist character in Wuthering Heights. She begins as a naive young woman, and falls for Heathcliff (I cannot blame her for this because of her sheltered upbringing). But once she realizes her mistake in marrying an abuser, she runs away to London and raises her son there entirely on her own. At a time when women were often treated as their husband's property, to be used and abused, Isabella's decision to leave her abusive husband was very daring for her time.

14) Maiming the Byronic hero: Neither Charlotte nor Emily allows her Byronic man to remain unpunished. Edward is eventually redeemed through Jane's love, but also through suffering and his own repentance. He changes from a selfish and impulsive man into someone much more selfless, who learns to put the thoughts and needs of others before his own. Not only does he try to save Bertha's life from the fire, but he also acknowledges his terrible sin of trying to commit bigamy against Jane. His redemption is moral, religious, and spiritual.

However, we never see Heathcliff atoning for his wrongdoings. Heathcliff is never redeemed, but that is because Wuthering Heights is not a book we are supposed to read morally. Unlike her sister Charlotte, Emily Bronte rejects that kind of moral framework for Heathcliff's story. Still, I think Emily maims Heathcliff well by killing him at the end, while also making us sympathize with him because of his tragic past.

15) Criticism then and now: Both books also attracted strong criticism when they were first published. Jane Eyre was criticised for lacking morality, for being anti Christian and for its negative depiction of Christian characters, for its unfeminine and unconventional heroine, and for an immoral, ungodly and flawed hero. The criticism of Wuthering Heights was even more brutal. It disgusted many Victorian critics and readers. The story was criticised for its complete lack of morality, its vulgar language, its wild and savage heroine, and its evil, almost demon like hero who seemed to have no redeeming qualities at all.

Fast forward to today, not much has changed. People still judge these novels according to the standards of their own time. Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights still remain polarizing, the latter even more so. They have their fans and haters alike. Now we hear that Jane Eyre is antifeminist, and that both novels romanticize unhealthy relationships and bad men. Then there is also the argument that Anne Bronte was the superior Bronte because she called out bad men in her novels, while Charlotte and Emily had terrible taste in men.

It is funny to me that Jane Eyre was once criticized for being too feminist and unconventional, while now people criticize it for not being feminist enough. How times and opinions change. The standards by which we judge books change as well. I would not be surprised if, some hundred years from now, people find even more things to condemn in these novels. Nothing stays the same, after all.

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u/nellyimheathcliff — 4 days ago

I have mixed feelings about Misae

I understand that her husband, Hiroshi, is no better, but dear God, Misae sometimes drives me insane with the way she treats Shin Chan. She is always so harsh towards him, and often resorts to violence. Hiroshi, on the other hand, is a full blown pervert, and I do not appreciate how he shirks his responsibilities or refuses to lend Misae a helping hand with the home chores. He also comes off as extremely immature. But since I am talking about Misae in this post, I will leave the discussion about Hiroshi for another day.

Misae is always so moody and volatile. She constantly beats her husband as well, and we are supposed to see it as a joke and laugh it off? It does not sit right with me. I remember quite a few episodes where Misae beat Hiroshi so badly that he ended up covered in bandages, sometimes even bleeding as well. And that is not a one time thing, but a recurring occurrence.

Yes, Hiroshi is shown to be more perverted, but Misae cannot claim the moral high ground here, since she openly fawns over handsome men as well. Yet she gets appalled when Hiroshi does the same. Hah! But that is one reason why I believe they are perfect for each other. Both of them are so realistically flawed, yet they are still able to run a family together.

I also dislike how hypocritical Misae is. She can be a huge spendthrift herself, and waste money on superficial things, yet she gets furious whenever Hiroshi wastes even a small part of his monthly allowance on his hobbies. How can one act so moralistic while holding such obvious double standards?

That is not to say Misae is completely irredeemable. She has her good qualities as well. I love how resourceful she is when it comes to managing the household, especially on Hiroshi's modest salary. She is also fiercely loyal to those she loves. There have been many times when she has put her own life in danger simply to protect the people she loves. And I do believe that Misae loves Hiroshi and Shin Chan in her own way, even if her love is deeply flawed.

Also, can we appreciate how hard Misae works? She cooks, cleans and takes care of the children tirelessly. Being a 24/7 housekeeper must be so exhausting. So I can understand why she becomes frustrated and loses her temper, but that does not mean that she should take out all her anger on the people around her and create an unstable home environment.

I just cannot deal with her instability and hypocrisy sometimes. But then, the entire family is diabolical. Seeing the way the Noharas function, it is hardly surprising that Shin Chan is so perverted. And Himawari is, well, on her way too. It all runs in the family.

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u/nellyimheathcliff — 10 days ago

Happy 208th birthday to my idol and forever inspiration, Emily Bronte.

My love for the Bronte sisters began when I first read Charlotte Bronte's Jane Eyre at the tender age of twelve after my English teacher recommended it to me. I completely fell in love with it. And not long afterwards, I picked up Emily Bronte's Wuthering Heights. It was completely different from anything I had ever read before. I was immediately struck by the beauty of the prose, and by the heart-wrenching monologues of Heathcliff and Catherine, many of which have remained permanently etched in my memory. The abuse and rejection Heathcliff faced in his childhood reminded me so much of my own. I also understood Catherine's frustration with societal expectations, and her longing to be free. All of the characters in the novel are flawed - sometimes cruel, often times selfish - yet they felt incredibly human to me. I see it as Emily completely rejecting the conventional Christian and moral framework. In Emily's world, there are no moral lessons to be learned or redemption to be earned. Her characters are all entirely driven by raw, primal desires.

Since then, I have revisited the novel countless times, and every time I do, I discover something new, whether that be the exploration of class, race, social exclusion, trauma, abuse, obsession, revenge, cycle of violence, or merely the fierce, all consuming passion between Heathcliff and Catherine. Unlike many, I have never agreed with the idea that Heathcliff and Catherine were never meant to be romantic. I reject the notion that love has to be gentle or healthy. Yet theirs remains one of the most unforgettable relationships I have ever come across in literature. I also fell deeply in love with the lonely Yorkshire moors. In ways, the novel made me yearn for a place I have never even set foot in. And that is the genius of Emily Bronte, for she made the wild and untamed landscape feel as alive as the characters themselves. I also admire how Emily celebrated the spirit of freedom, passion, and rebellion throughout the novel, so deeply rooted in Romanticism, and Romanticism is something that I take a particular interest in.

Moreover, it is not only Wuthering Heights that I cherish, but her poetry as well. "No Coward Soul Is Mine", "I Am The Only Being Whose Doom", "Hope", "Often Rebuked, Yet Always Back Returning", and "The Night Is Darkening Round Me", remain among my favorites. I love how she explores themes of liberty, individuality, and nature, in such great detail. As I learned more about Emily herself, the more I felt I understood her. Emily and I share a similar love for long walks in solitude, being in nature, and preferring the company of animals to humans. I also resonated with her sense of detachment from society, and her inner loneliness was something I could relate to. Perhaps you could say, Emily, in many ways, almost felt like a kindred spirit to me.

Emily Bronte had the courage to portray the darker side of human nature, which many Victorians preferred to avoid. I find it rather sad how badly the early critics failed her. They dismissed Wuthering Heights as a monstrosity, as something immoral and unnatural, when in reality it was far ahead of its time. What is even more saddening is that Emily Bronte died believing her novel had failed. Unfortunately, in many ways, people still misunderstand Wuthering Heights today. Its characters continue to be vilified, while much of the richness and complexity of the novel is overlooked.

Even more heartbreaking is the thought that this fiercely talented woman left the world far too soon. Her life was tragically cut short, and I cannot help but wonder what more she could have written had she lived longer. It feels like such a tremendous loss. I often wish there were more of Emily's works for me to read and learn from. Perhaps a few more novels, more poetry, or even more of her letters. We know very little of Emily, and much of what we know about her comes through Charlotte. Yet one novel was still enough to establish her as one of the most greatest literary geniuses to have ever lived. Even so, I cannot help wondering what else she might have given the world had life been kinder to her.

There will never be another Emily Bronte. I hope she continues to be cherished for generations to come.

u/nellyimheathcliff — 21 days ago

Why are sentiments like these so common online?

Moderators, please do not remove this post. I am not writing this to stir division or intentionally cause any malice. I genuinely wish to hear the thoughts on it, because this is something I have been observing for years now.

I do not wish to be that person, but I have seen this happen time and time again. It often feels as if everything about us is constantly scrutinized and criticized. Our faith is openly mocked. We are called "rice bag converts" and many other demeaning names, and I do not understand why. What is it about Christianity that brings out such hostility in mainlanders? Why are they so determined to hate our faith and everything we stand up for?

For instance, have a look at the screenshots I included. I know some people will immediately say that this is just Twitter, and that it does not reflect the majority. From my experience, however, that has not been the case. On almost every social media platform I have used, I have seen the same pattern and the same kind of hateful rhetoric directed towards Christians from Northeast. Even I have been personally called a "white man's bootlicker" simply because I defended my faith. It does feel though as if anti Christian sentiments are deeply rooted in the minds of these people, and nothing you say will convince them otherwise.

And I am not saying that we should stoop to the same level or respond with the same hatred. Personally, I have never dared to criticize anyone else's faith. But I often see people who are so eager to criticize Christianity all the time. These people constantly criticize Christian missionaries and undermine the work they did in our region. But why do they fail to acknowledge that they brought nothing but prosperity and development to our lands and people? They gave us biblical teachings that are very much embedded in our society now and have become a fundamental part of how we live our lives. Values such as empathy, loving thy neighbor, forgiveness, and civic responsibility were heavily emphasized by them. Many missionaries also emphasized education, healthcare, and helping the poor. They were among the first to establish schools and hospitals, and helped develop written scripts for many of our languages. Christianity has largely shaped us, and you need not be a Christian to recognize these influences. Western missionaries have uplifted many aspects of life here, and contributed significantly to our development. I never hear anyone in our communities complain about the presence of missionaries in our region. In fact, they only seem to be filled with gratitude. Then I wonder why these people who do not even have an ounce of knowledge about us love to criticize us.

They are often the same people who praise the Northeast for being cleaner, orderly, and having a strong sense of social responsibility. Yet they conveniently ignore the fact that Christianity has played a huge role in instilling many of those values in us. Even the cleanliness aspect, I believe, can be attributed to that influence. There is simply no other way for me to see it.

I also remember when Charlie Kirk passed away and people here chose to put up posters of him because they admired him as a Christian. I personally do not have any strong opinions about Kirk, but I also do not see the harm in people choosing to mourn someone they admired. Everyone is free to do so as they wish. However, these people were spitting venomous hatred against us, calling us all sort of names, using slurs, and making threats. Almost all of the racist comments came from our countrymen.

And that is not only the case here, but on almost any online space you go, if you happen to acknowledge your faith and stand up for your beliefs, you will often be showered with downvotes and criticism. Even people who identify as atheists argue that all religions are harmful, but then seem to reserve particular hostility for Christianity. How is that not coming from a place of bias? You call yourself an atheist, yet you spend far more time criticizing other people's faith instead of reflecting on your own misguided beliefs and assumptions. Also, just because you are an atheist does not mean you are a good person. Get off your moral high ground.

Anyway, if you have any thoughts to share, please do so. I am all ears. Because I do wish to know what causes so much resentment towards our people and our faith.

u/nellyimheathcliff — 1 month ago

Welcome to r/Wutheringheights!

Whether you are a long time admirer of Emily Bronte's novel or a first time reader, we welcome you to this community.

This community is dedicated to all things Wuthering Heights. Feel free to discuss the novel, share your favorite quotes, post memes, explore themes and characters, debate interpretations, discuss adaptations, ask questions, or simply share your thoughts.

There is no single correct way to read Wuthering Heights, so respectful discussions of different interpretations is always encouraged.

To get things started, here are a few things you can tell us:

• When did you first read Wuthering Heights?

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We hope you enjoy being a part of our community.

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u/nellyimheathcliff — 2 months ago
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Can I apply to BHU and DU without a degree certificate or migration certificate?

I have already completed my BA and wish to apply for MA admissions. However, I have not yet received either my degree certificate or migration certificate. At present, the only document that I possess is my consolidated marksheet.

Would it be possible to apply with the marksheet alone and submit the remaining documents later, or is the degree certificate required at the application stage itself?

I hope someone here may be able to advise me. Thank you.

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u/nellyimheathcliff — 3 months ago
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I feel sad after getting banned from one of my favorite subreddits

I know this might sound silly to some people, but I feel really sad right now. I was part of one of my favorite subreddits for quite a while, and yesterday I made a sarcastic, joking comment without really thinking twice about it. I had read the rules before, and tried to abide by it, but I guess the seriousness of them flew over my head.

And today I woke up to a permanent ban and permanent mute from the subreddit. What hurts the most is not even being able to appeal or properly explain that I was just trying to make a song reference without being serious or anything. It was just meant to be a joke, but now I very much regret posting it. Then, I went back and reread the rules and realized it was a silly slip up on my part. And honestly, a permanent ban was the last thing I expected 😢 I know it's just Reddit, but it still makes me sad because I liked that community and spent time there. I just want to vent a little because it has been too much on my mind, sorry.

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u/nellyimheathcliff — 3 months ago

Was Luka from Escape from Sobibor a real person? If so, what happened to her?

Recently watched the movie "Escape from Sobibor" and became very curious about one of the characters, Luka. Did she exist in real life? And if she did, what happened to her after the escape?

I also wanted to know more about Alexander Pechersky (known as Sasha in the movie). In the movie, it was shown that Luka fell in love with Sasha, but apparently he was already married and had children. She still offered him a shirt before the escape as a good luck charm, and that shirt is said to still exist in a museum. I don't know why, but I found that gesture very romantic :)

Unfortunately, sources about Alexander are few and far between, and besides the uprising itself, I couldn't find much more info about his life. Can anyone also suggest books or online sources that delve deeper into his life? I found him very inspiring in the movie, so would like to know more about him.

Thank you.

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u/nellyimheathcliff — 3 months ago