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Conditional Scholarships- Data

The ABA requires every law school to report how many students entered with a conditional scholarship and how many had it reduced or eliminated. Here is the complete 2024 vs 2025 comparison for every school that reported it. No links, just the data.

▲ = got worse | ▼ = got better | → = stable | NEW = first time in the data

🔴 HIGH RISK — 50%+ elimination in 2025

  • Western State, Westcliff — 77% → 66% ▼ 
  • Texas Southern — NEW — 67% ▲▲▲
  • California Western — 68% → 63% ▼ 
  • Touro University — 60% → 61% 
  • Barry University — 59% → 58%  
  • New York Law School — 23% → 54% ▲ +31 points 
  • St. Thomas (Miami) — 57% → 54% ▼ 
  • Hofstra University — 52% → 53% 
  • Southwestern Law School — 51% → 48% ▼

🟡 MEDIUM RISK — 25–49% in 2025

  • Illinois–Chicago — 49% → 47% ▼ 
  • Chapman University — 34% → 43% ▲ 
  • Pace University — 36% → 42% ▲ 
  • San Francisco — 38% → 38% 
  •  Southern University — 54% → 38% ▼ 
  • Mississippi College — 31% → 34% ▲ 
  • Pacific — 31% → 34% ▲ 
  • South Texas — 39% → 34% ▼ 
  • Santa Clara — 43% → 29% ▼ 
  • Catholic University — 14% → 27% ▲▲ +12 points 
  • New England Law/Boston — 27% → 26% 
  • Seattle University — 17% → 26% ▲ +9 points 
  • Memphis — 38% → 25% ▼

🟢 LOW RISK — Under 25% in 2025

  • Ave Maria — 27% → 23% ▼ 
  • Pepperdine — 20% → 23% ▲ 
  • Belmont — 20% → 21%  
  • Louisiana State — 23% → 21% ▼ 
  • Seton Hall — 24% → 21% ▼ 
  • Brooklyn Law School — 20% → 19% 
  • Washburn — 22% → 19% ▼ 
  • Kansas — 23% → 18% ▼ 
  • Florida International — 23% → 18% ▼ 
  • Loyola Marymount (LA) — 13% → 17% ▲ 
  • UC Hastings (UCSF) — 24% → 16% ▼ 
  • Baltimore — 17% → 16%  
  • New Mexico — 8% → 15% ▲ 
  • Roger Williams — 14% → 13%  
  • Drexel — 23% → 13% ▼ 
  • Missouri — 25% → 12% ▼ 
  • Indiana Univ–Indianapolis — 74% → 12% ▼ −62 points 
  • Loyola New Orleans — 4% → 11% ▲ San Diego — 13% → 11% ▼ 
  • Georgia State — NEW — 7% 
  • Quinnipiac — 8% → 7% 
  • Samford — 13% → 5% ▼ 
  • Wyoming — 23% → 4% ▼

✅ ZERO eliminations — 2024 and 2025

  • Baylor (dropped from 2% to 0%)
  • University of Denver — 0% both years 
  • Elon University — 0% both years 
  • Howard University — 0% both years 
  • Liberty University — 0% both years 
  • University of Montana (dropped from 3% to 0%) 
  • University of North Dakota — 0% both years 
  • West Virginia University — 0% both years

The headline number: New York Law School jumped 31 points in one year. 54% of students who entered NYLS with a conditional scholarship in 2025 lost it. That is up from 23% the year before. If you have a conditional offer from them, ask admissions what changed.

The other headline: Indiana dropped 62 points. 74% to 12% in one year is unusual. Could mean they changed their GPA threshold or curve policy. Worth asking before assuming it sticks.

Before signing any conditional scholarship: ask the admissions office what GPA is required to keep it, what the curve typically produces, and what percentage of students in the last three cohorts kept theirs. They are required to know. They may not volunteer it.

Drop your school below and I'll pull the trend going back to 2011 if we have it.

u/nowherenearalawyer — 5 days ago

Rug Pull Scholarships (conditional scholarships)

The ABA requires every law school to report how many students entered with a conditional scholarship and how many had it reduced or eliminated. Here is the complete 2024 vs 2025 comparison for every school that reported it. No links, just the data.

▲ = got worse | ▼ = got better | → = stable | NEW = first time in the data

🔴 HIGH RISK — 50%+ elimination in 2025

  • Western State, Westcliff — 77% → 66% ▼ 
  • Texas Southern — NEW — 67% ▲▲▲
  • California Western — 68% → 63% ▼ 
  • Touro University — 60% → 61% 
  • Barry University — 59% → 58%  
  • New York Law School — 23% → 54% ▲ +31 points 
  • St. Thomas (Miami) — 57% → 54% ▼ 
  • Hofstra University — 52% → 53% 
  • Southwestern Law School — 51% → 48% ▼

🟡 MEDIUM RISK — 25–49% in 2025

  • Illinois–Chicago — 49% → 47% ▼ 
  • Chapman University — 34% → 43% ▲ 
  • Pace University — 36% → 42% ▲ 
  • San Francisco — 38% → 38% 
  •  Southern University — 54% → 38% ▼ 
  • Mississippi College — 31% → 34% ▲ 
  • Pacific — 31% → 34% ▲ 
  • South Texas — 39% → 34% ▼ 
  • Santa Clara — 43% → 29% ▼ 
  • Catholic University — 14% → 27% ▲▲ +12 points 
  • New England Law/Boston — 27% → 26% 
  • Seattle University — 17% → 26% ▲ +9 points 
  • Memphis — 38% → 25% ▼

🟢 LOW RISK — Under 25% in 2025

  • Ave Maria — 27% → 23% ▼ 
  • Pepperdine — 20% → 23% ▲ 
  • Belmont — 20% → 21%  
  • Louisiana State — 23% → 21% ▼ 
  • Seton Hall — 24% → 21% ▼ 
  • Brooklyn Law School — 20% → 19% 
  • Washburn — 22% → 19% ▼ 
  • Kansas — 23% → 18% ▼ 
  • Florida International — 23% → 18% ▼ 
  • Loyola Marymount (LA) — 13% → 17% ▲ 
  • UC Hastings (UCSF) — 24% → 16% ▼ 
  • Baltimore — 17% → 16%  
  • New Mexico — 8% → 15% ▲ 
  • Roger Williams — 14% → 13%  
  • Drexel — 23% → 13% ▼ 
  • Missouri — 25% → 12% ▼ 
  • Indiana Univ–Indianapolis — 74% → 12% ▼ −62 points 
  • Loyola New Orleans — 4% → 11% ▲ San Diego — 13% → 11% ▼ 
  • Georgia State — NEW — 7% 
  • Quinnipiac — 8% → 7% 
  • Samford — 13% → 5% ▼ 
  • Wyoming — 23% → 4% ▼

✅ ZERO eliminations — 2024 and 2025

  • Baylor (dropped from 2% to 0%)
  • University of Denver — 0% both years 
  • Elon University — 0% both years 
  • Howard University — 0% both years 
  • Liberty University — 0% both years 
  • University of Montana (dropped from 3% to 0%) 
  • University of North Dakota — 0% both years 
  • West Virginia University — 0% both years

The headline number: New York Law School jumped 31 points in one year. 54% of students who entered NYLS with a conditional scholarship in 2025 lost it. That is up from 23% the year before. If you have a conditional offer from them, ask admissions what changed.

The other headline: Indiana dropped 62 points. 74% to 12% in one year is unusual. Could mean they changed their GPA threshold or curve policy. Worth asking before assuming it sticks.

Before signing any conditional scholarship: ask the admissions office what GPA is required to keep it, what the curve typically produces, and what percentage of students in the last three cohorts kept theirs. They are required to know. They may not volunteer it.

Drop your school below and I'll pull the trend going back to 2011 if we have it.

u/nowherenearalawyer — 5 days ago

Scholarship Rug Pull (Conditional Scholarships

The ABA requires every law school to report how many students entered with a conditional scholarship and how many had it reduced or eliminated. Here is the complete 2024 vs 2025 comparison for every school that reported it. No links, just the data.

▲ = got worse | ▼ = got better | → = stable | NEW = first time in the data

🔴 HIGH RISK — 50%+ elimination in 2025

  • Western State, Westcliff — 77% → 66% ▼ 
  • Texas Southern — NEW — 67% ▲▲▲
  • California Western — 68% → 63% ▼ 
  • Touro University — 60% → 61% 
  • Barry University — 59% → 58%  
  • New York Law School — 23% → 54% ▲ +31 points 
  • St. Thomas (Miami) — 57% → 54% ▼ 
  • Hofstra University — 52% → 53% 
  • Southwestern Law School — 51% → 48% ▼

🟡 MEDIUM RISK — 25–49% in 2025

  • Illinois–Chicago — 49% → 47% ▼ 
  • Chapman University — 34% → 43% ▲ 
  • Pace University — 36% → 42% ▲ 
  • San Francisco — 38% → 38% 
  •  Southern University — 54% → 38% ▼ 
  • Mississippi College — 31% → 34% ▲ 
  • Pacific — 31% → 34% ▲ 
  • South Texas — 39% → 34% ▼ 
  • Santa Clara — 43% → 29% ▼ 
  • Catholic University — 14% → 27% ▲▲ +12 points 
  • New England Law/Boston — 27% → 26% 
  • Seattle University — 17% → 26% ▲ +9 points 
  • Memphis — 38% → 25% ▼

🟢 LOW RISK — Under 25% in 2025

  • Ave Maria — 27% → 23% ▼ 
  • Pepperdine — 20% → 23% ▲ 
  • Belmont — 20% → 21%  
  • Louisiana State — 23% → 21% ▼ 
  • Seton Hall — 24% → 21% ▼ 
  • Brooklyn Law School — 20% → 19% 
  • Washburn — 22% → 19% ▼ 
  • Kansas — 23% → 18% ▼ 
  • Florida International — 23% → 18% ▼ 
  • Loyola Marymount (LA) — 13% → 17% ▲ 
  • UC Hastings (UCSF) — 24% → 16% ▼ 
  • Baltimore — 17% → 16%  
  • New Mexico — 8% → 15% ▲ 
  • Roger Williams — 14% → 13%  
  • Drexel — 23% → 13% ▼ 
  • Missouri — 25% → 12% ▼ 
  • Indiana Univ–Indianapolis — 74% → 12% ▼ −62 points 
  • Loyola New Orleans — 4% → 11% ▲ San Diego — 13% → 11% ▼ 
  • Georgia State — NEW — 7% 
  • Quinnipiac — 8% → 7% 
  • Samford — 13% → 5% ▼ 
  • Wyoming — 23% → 4% ▼

✅ ZERO eliminations — 2024 and 2025

  • Baylor (dropped from 2% to 0%)
  • University of Denver — 0% both years 
  • Elon University — 0% both years 
  • Howard University — 0% both years 
  • Liberty University — 0% both years 
  • University of Montana (dropped from 3% to 0%) 
  • University of North Dakota — 0% both years 
  • West Virginia University — 0% both years

The headline number: New York Law School jumped 31 points in one year. 54% of students who entered NYLS with a conditional scholarship in 2025 lost it. That is up from 23% the year before. If you have a conditional offer from them, ask admissions what changed.

The other headline: Indiana dropped 62 points. 74% to 12% in one year is unusual. Could mean they changed their GPA threshold or curve policy. Worth asking before assuming it sticks.

Before signing any conditional scholarship: ask the admissions office what GPA is required to keep it, what the curve typically produces, and what percentage of students in the last three cohorts kept theirs. They are required to know. They may not volunteer it.

Drop your school below and I'll pull the trend going back to 2011 if we have it.

u/nowherenearalawyer — 5 days ago

509Alpha.Beta.Release1.0 Comprehensive Data on All ABA Law Schools

We upgraded ABA law school spreadsheet — 15 years, 208 schools, 300+ metrics. Are the charts useful?

If you've been on this community for a while, you've probably seen (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iFHIkqiZ1_VdMkpblE4yvuOe0Q5PJuu6BZHXMDDtlqo/edit?usp=sharing) ABA data spreadsheet. Here is the new: (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PUvqEXyQp02Has5t2ko2cQWVoWtoB0DiQQuWHxiarXQ/edit?usp=sharing)

We built on top of it.

What the original had:

  • 208 schools, 2011–2025
  • LSAT/GPA percentiles, tuition, scholarship distribution, acceptance rates
  • A single dashboard showing one school at a time
  • Manual data entry over the course of a month

What we added:

  • 303 metric tables covering admissions, enrollment by race/gender, bar passage, employment outcomes (28 categories), attrition, transfers, faculty, curriculum, GRE scores, and JD-Next — all sourced directly from ABA 509 PDFs
  • Two dashboards: School Profile (176 rows, 20 sections, 15 years of trend data) and Student ROI Calculator (live formulas, not static values)
  • The ROI calculator uses the actual LSAC index formula (A×LSAT + B×GPA + C) from Blake's index coefficients to predict admission likelihood — and labels Yale/Harvard/Georgetown/etc. as HOLISTIC in purple because those schools don't publish their formula
  • Break-even timeline calculated as: 3-year debt with 7% interest accruing → divided by 50% of salary → three scenarios (Gov/PI, Boutique, BigLaw) using state-specific BLS attorney wage data
  • Closed/deaccredited schools marked and kept in the dataset so you can see what the data looked like before a school lost accreditation

Two questions for the community:

  1. Is the ROI calculator actually useful? Change your LSAT/GPA and the admission likelihood, expected scholarship, net cost, and break-even all update live. Is this the right way to think about the decision, or are we missing something important?
  2. What's missing? We have 15 years of data and 300+ metrics. What question do you wish you could answer that you can't?

The dataset is available to anyone in the community. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PUvqEXyQp02Has5t2ko2cQWVoWtoB0DiQQuWHxiarXQ/edit?usp=sharing)

Data sourced from ABA Standard 509 Required Disclosures, 2011–2025. Index coefficients via BLS Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics, 2023.

u/nowherenearalawyer — 10 days ago

509Alpha.Beta.Release1.0 Comprehensive Data on All ABA Law Schools

We upgraded ABA law school spreadsheet — 15 years, 208 schools, 300+ metrics. Are the charts useful?

If you've been on this community for a while, you've probably seen (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iFHIkqiZ1_VdMkpblE4yvuOe0Q5PJuu6BZHXMDDtlqo/edit?usp=sharing) ABA data spreadsheet. Here is the new: (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PUvqEXyQp02Has5t2ko2cQWVoWtoB0DiQQuWHxiarXQ/edit?usp=sharing)

We built on top of it.

What the original had:

  • 208 schools, 2011–2025
  • LSAT/GPA percentiles, tuition, scholarship distribution, acceptance rates
  • A single dashboard showing one school at a time
  • Manual data entry over the course of a month

What we added:

  • 303 metric tables covering admissions, enrollment by race/gender, bar passage, employment outcomes (28 categories), attrition, transfers, faculty, curriculum, GRE scores, and JD-Next — all sourced directly from ABA 509 PDFs
  • Two dashboards: School Profile (176 rows, 20 sections, 15 years of trend data) and Student ROI Calculator (live formulas, not static values)
  • The ROI calculator uses the actual LSAC index formula (A×LSAT + B×GPA + C) from Blake's index coefficients to predict admission likelihood — and labels Yale/Harvard/Georgetown/etc. as HOLISTIC in purple because those schools don't publish their formula
  • Break-even timeline calculated as: 3-year debt with 7% interest accruing → divided by 50% of salary → three scenarios (Gov/PI, Boutique, BigLaw) using state-specific BLS attorney wage data
  • Closed/deaccredited schools marked and kept in the dataset so you can see what the data looked like before a school lost accreditation

Two questions for the community:

  1. Is the ROI calculator actually useful? Change your LSAT/GPA and the admission likelihood, expected scholarship, net cost, and break-even all update live. Is this the right way to think about the decision, or are we missing something important?
  2. What's missing? We have 15 years of data and 300+ metrics. What question do you wish you could answer that you can't?

The dataset is available to anyone in the community. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PUvqEXyQp02Has5t2ko2cQWVoWtoB0DiQQuWHxiarXQ/edit?usp=sharing)

Data sourced from ABA Standard 509 Required Disclosures, 2011–2025. Index coefficients via BLS Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics, 2023.

u/nowherenearalawyer — 10 days ago

509Alpha.Beta.Release1.0 Comprehensive Data on All ABA Law Schools

We upgraded ABA law school spreadsheet — 15 years, 208 schools, 300+ metrics. Are the charts useful?

If you've been on this community for a while, you've probably seen (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iFHIkqiZ1\_VdMkpblE4yvuOe0Q5PJuu6BZHXMDDtlqo/edit?usp=sharing) ABA data spreadsheet. Here is the new: (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PUvqEXyQp02Has5t2ko2cQWVoWtoB0DiQQuWHxiarXQ/edit?usp=sharing)

We built on top of it.

What the original had:

  • 208 schools, 2011–2025
  • LSAT/GPA percentiles, tuition, scholarship distribution, acceptance rates
  • A single dashboard showing one school at a time
  • Manual data entry over the course of a month

What we added:

  • 303 metric tables covering admissions, enrollment by race/gender, bar passage, employment outcomes (28 categories), attrition, transfers, faculty, curriculum, GRE scores, and JD-Next — all sourced directly from ABA 509 PDFs
  • Two dashboards: School Profile (176 rows, 20 sections, 15 years of trend data) and Student ROI Calculator (live formulas, not static values)
  • The ROI calculator uses the actual LSAC index formula (A×LSAT + B×GPA + C) from Blake's index coefficients to predict admission likelihood — and labels Yale/Harvard/Georgetown/etc. as HOLISTIC in purple because those schools don't publish their formula
  • Break-even timeline calculated as: 3-year debt with 7% interest accruing → divided by 50% of salary → three scenarios (Gov/PI, Boutique, BigLaw) using state-specific BLS attorney wage data
  • Closed/deaccredited schools marked and kept in the dataset so you can see what the data looked like before a school lost accreditation

Two questions for the community:

  1. Is the ROI calculator actually useful? Change your LSAT/GPA and the admission likelihood, expected scholarship, net cost, and break-even all update live. Is this the right way to think about the decision, or are we missing something important?
  2. What's missing? We have 15 years of data and 300+ metrics. What question do you wish you could answer that you can't?

The dataset is available to anyone in the community. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PUvqEXyQp02Has5t2ko2cQWVoWtoB0DiQQuWHxiarXQ/edit?usp=sharing)

Data sourced from ABA Standard 509 Required Disclosures, 2011–2025. Index coefficients via BLS Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics, 2023.

u/nowherenearalawyer — 10 days ago