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Bonjour à tous,

​Je suis catholique et j'envisage de suivre un projet de formation dirigé par l'abbé Matthieu Raffray (Institut du Bon Pasteur).

​Étant donné ses prises de parole publiques et ses liens réguliers avec la mouvance de droite dure / identitaire sur les réseaux, je m'interroge avant de m'engager. Je ne cherche pas d'avis sur la doctrine ou le niveau théologique (que je connais déjà), mais des retours humains de personnes qui le connaissent ou qui ont fréquenté ce milieu de près :

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comment est-il en dehors des caméras ? Ses relations humaines restent-elles centrées sur l'apostolat et la charité chrétienne, ou l'idéologie politique prend-elle le dessus ?

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au contact de son cercle proche ou des fidèles de l'IBP, observe-t-on des dérives d'exclusion, des discours racistes ou une atmosphère identitaire pesante au quotidien ?

comment sont perçus et accueillis les profils qui ne partagent pas ces sensibilités politiques ou qui viennent d'horizons différents ?

​Je cherche des retours d'expérience honnêtes, factuels et vécus (les messages privés sont ouverts si vous préférez témoigner discrètement).

​Merci pour vos réponses !

Hi everyone,

​I have a very practical question regarding the situation of SSPX (FSSPX) faithful living in Germany or Austria, where the church tax system (Kirchensteuer) is in place.

​As you know, this tax is collected directly by the state and paid to the official (conciliar) diocese if you declare yourself "Roman Catholic" (römisch-katholisch) on your tax return. Since the SSPX is not recognized as a public law corporation, it doesn't receive a single penny from this tax and relies solely on direct donations from its faithful.

​I would love to hear your experiences, testimonies, or theological/practical views on two distinct periods:

1. How did you handle this before (during the era of Pope Francis' pastoral concessions)?

​Paying this tax meant directly funding German dioceses whose doctrinal or liturgical directions many traditionalists reject (especially with the Synodal Way).

​Did you remain registered as Catholics with the state to avoid the local bishop's sanctions (since the official diocese denies sacraments and funerals in case of Kirchenaustritt / formal departure from the Church)?

​Or did you officially declare your departure from the Church (Kirchenaustritt) at the civil level to give your money only to the Society, even if it meant being officially considered "excommunicated" by the local parish? What was the general advice given by the priests in your priories on this matter?

​2. And now, since the consecrations of July 1st, 2026?

​With the recent episcopal consecrations in Écône on July 1st and the subsequent Vatican declaration of schism/excommunication on July 2nd targeting adhering faithful more directly, the situation has changed. The 2015 pastoral concessions regarding the automatic validity of confessions and marriages (outside danger of death) by the SSPX are de facto void for Rome.

​Does this new situation change your relationship with the tax and the German state?

​Is this pushing even more people to do the Kirchenaustritt (civil opt-out), since the rupture with the official Church is now fully consumed anyway in the eyes of the Vatican?

​How are your local priories addressing this fiscal and canonical issue right now?

​Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts and experiences (let's keep the discussion respectful)!