u/thinkdifferent23225

1.9M conversations across 150+ production agents. this is what a demo never shows you

we run 150+ sales agents in production. whatsapp, sms and instagram dms, real customers, real money. about 1.9m conversations through them at this point. one of them handled 50,000 in a single month during a client's launch.

every single one of those agents worked perfectly in testing. this is the stuff that only shows up once the volume is real. some learnings:

an agent with no stop condition will keep selling and talking to someone who already bought. this is the one that embarrasses you in front of a client. in production you need terminal state gates. when a "purchased", "booked" or "not qualified" flag flips, the agent stops, full stop, no matter how good the conversation reads. build this before you build anything clever.

the agent cant reliably report its own state. we spent weeks writing instructions like "set the booked flag to true when you schedule a call". doesn't work, and worse, it fails silently. the conversation looks perfect and the automation behind it never fires. what works is a separate evaluator that reads the transcript afterwards and sets the state. the conversational agent controls what it says. thats the whole surface. anything else you want it to do lives somewhere else.

follow ups are where the revenue is and where almost nobody builds. most leads don't answer the first message. the agent that books calls isn't the one with the best opener, it's the one that comes back on day two and day five without being annoying. one client's launch with 1k conversations, 47 of those conversations were recovering declined payments one at a time. that's not a conversational feat, its a workflow that fires reliably.

handoff to a human has to be a designed moment, not an escape hatch. "let me get someone to help you" with no routing behind it is worse than the agent just continuing. decide who gets pinged, on what channel, with what context attached.

the metric isn't response quality. this one cost us the most time by far. we spent months tuning conversations that read beautifully and booked nothing. booked calls (or sales) is the metric. once we started scoring on that, half of what we thought was good practice turned out to be the agent being pleasant instead of useful.

silent failures beat loud ones every time. a channel that disconnects but still shows "active" cost one client four days of leads. alerting on zero volume windows did more for retention than any feature we shipped that quarter.

none of this is about model quality btw. we changed models twice and it moved almost nothing. the machinery around the model is the product.

curious what other people hit, especially anyone running agents that touch payments or scheduling

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u/thinkdifferent23225 — 1 day ago
▲ 56 r/SaaS

quit my job 2 years ago with zero expectations. mid-year revenue:

this isn’t really about celebrating a win, it’s more to say that building saas and product is hard but if you’re there in the trenches every single day, putting in the work, it’s possible and you do start seeing signals. I’m just getting started.

a few things i’d share: product and marketing both matter, a lot. you need a north star of building a genuinely solid product that delivers real value, something that actually improves your customers’ business, their costs, or some part of their life when they use it. but you also need to understand how to communicate it, what channel to use, how to actually do marketing, whether that’s organic content or paid. knowing how to write, how to communicate, being able to make videos, being willing to show your face. it’s a combination of both sides.

in my case i got lucky finding an incredible team that has all of it. i work with two spectacular engineers, cofounders with real experience and leadership, and on my end i have a mix of marketing and product, but above all i’m good at going out and getting customers. that combination of everything is what i think matters most.

and the other thing is knowing that at the beginning, at least the first year or two, it’s a lot of work. you have to be there, taking care of your customers to a ridiculous degree, giving them your time even on weekends, staying in the trenches and just keep pushing.

hope it helps. i’m building ai agents for agencies btw, and just starting 🙌🏻

u/thinkdifferent23225 — 2 days ago
▲ 1.1k r/Meditation

7+ years of daily meditation. Here’s my conclusion

i've been meditating daily for the last 7 years, without skipping a single day, and i've experienced so many phases. sooo many. in fact, a little while ago i had one of the most extraordinary experiences since i started meditating... right after going through a very 'flat' period...

my conclusion: the most important thing is not the experiences in meditation themselves, not even how you feel on any particular day... the most important thing is the compound effect of doing it over and over again. if i look back at the person i am today and the one from day one, total transformation (and i know it will keep going, that's why i keep meditating). in fact it's literally the transformation of your cells through meditation

the first 3 years of meditation i was almost a monk, i followed a pretty strict diet, did 15 silent retreats where i meditated for hours, had 2 years of celibacy (natural, not forced) and i lived in a constant meditative state....

then i grew up and it was time to take responsibility for, my 'adult life'. i fell in love, went traveling, started enjoying the pleasures of food and coffee more, started building businesses and wanting to make money... but even so, i kept meditating. my experiences changed, they became more earthly, now my day to day was more 'superficial' (i put it in quotes because it's all part of the same thing)... and i accepted that, because if i looked at the whole movie, beyond the stress, the desires and everything... in my heart the feeling of peace and presence kept growing.

so from my point of view, keep meditating, no matter what happens. If you feel stuck, you can add more breathing techniques and yoga before meditating; it helps you reach a deeper practice.

lastly, i'll share one experience, which again, is just an experience, a gift. i don't cling to it and i keep meditating for the sake of meditating and for the long term, not to chase experiences like this one.

one friday night i was home alone, finishing up work, and i fell into a loop of watching instagram videos about conspiracy theories. a damn black hole. about the war, mass rituals, the music industry, among other things... they took my mind to a place of awe and confusion. how the hell can all of this be real? we live in a simulation!!

right after that i went to meditate, with that feeling. i was doing my breathing techniques and started observing thoughts like, what is all this? where are we? how can so many things exist, so much diversity?

the moment my meditation started, i began to observe other thoughts chained to the previous ones, 'who is the one thinking this?' 'where do these thoughts come from?' right after that i stopped feeling my body and started feeling empty space, absolutely nothing... and another thought, 'who am i?'

i started crying and laughing at the same time, with a huge smile. i had the feeling that i was remembering something, and i felt 'i am the creator of this world, everything that exists is part of the same thing'

i was in that space for about 30 minutes, and when i finished, i looked at my hands and my body like 'here i am again, i chose to be here and play this game'

reading through this community inspired me to put this into words for the first time

cheers!

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