r/AgathaAllAlong

Agatha binds Jennifer’s powers in the 1920’s as a job for the unnamed doctor from the Obstetrics Association in Greater Boston

However, she did not know it was Jen she was binding. Marvel’s extended cinematic universe doesn’t really go into how magic works. Basing this assumption on real world occultism and folk magic, cursing someone involves knowing their name; even more powerful if it is a full name. The name creates a focal point to concentrate your spell on. Old Dutch folk magic used poppets made to look like the victim and usually filled with items belonging to the victim (fabric from their clothing, hair, nail clippings, blood even). So without knowing who she is cursing, Agatha would need personal items from the victim.

Jen didn’t know how those doctors cursed her without being magical people. It is possible they stole personal items from her when they tricked her into attending their fake conference, then gave those items to Agatha. Although Agatha doesn’t seem to need or find analog magic as a valuable use of time. Poppet magic would be a little beneath her.

Agatha had the Darkhold at this time so it is possible that she would not have needed a poppet or a name to focus her spell on, she may have just needed a location to focus the spell on, and the unnamed doctor could have told her when and where and what time Jen would be present for the spell. Agatha could have cast her spell from a distance or set up runes where Jen would be to activate when she entered the room.

The other theory I have is Agatha was lying when she said she didn’t know it was Jen she cursed. She knew she cast a spell in Boston and at the same time news of Jennifer being bound would have circulated the witch community. It would have been easy for Agatha to put two and two together. Agatha could have suspected her curse was for Jen, but since she doesn’t get involved with other witches (except to steal their powers) she probably ignored Jen being bound until she was reminded when and where Jen was in 1920’s.

Hi sisters and brothers of the craft,
As you can guess by my presence on this sub, i have absolutely ADORED AAA. Best Marvel show i have ever watched and i have watched them all apart from DD and the punisher.
I loved it soooo much that for the first time ever, it made me want to read the comics! I was wondering if anyone on here had comic knowledge as in which issue to start with? Is there an Agatha Harkness dedicated comic or does she only appear in other people’s stories?
I know Wiccan has a big presence comic wise with his hubby and the young avengers but i mainly want Agatha content. She’s got me under her spell haha.
I’m guess the whole series is 99% imagination and is not find in the comics like Jen and Lilia are pure cinematic fiction but still i am beyond curious and i honestly cannot wait to read more, know more about our non straight lady!!
Thanx for your answers in advance,
Célina from France

Agatha is identified as a Spirit Witch, but the show doesn't really go into detail about what that role entails. The ouija board was more of a group task than a test for Agatha's abilities. I assume her draining power is unique to her, so what are your theories or headcanons on what most Spirit witches are able to do?

I will say, there seems to be some disagreement about whether Lilia ever actually perceived her own death given her ability to experience her life out of sequence. I don’t want to get into that here. For the purposes of this conversation, I’m assuming that there did indeed come a point where Death collected Lilia’s spirit like she does with everyone else.

Alice went on the road to find out what happened to her mom and consequentially break the curse she denied having. So why was she still on the road after having her curse destroyed?

When Jen finally unbound and got her magic back she disappeared from the road. So it makes no sense why Alice, who had already faced her trial and received what she wanted from the road, had to stay on the road until the end.

Having her die was part of Agatha’s story to regain power, but she did not control the road. >!And Teen did not realize he was controlling the road even when Jen disappeared from it!<. So any of the witches having to stay until the last trial to finish is a plot hole that let Alice die.

So to start, when Captain goes to return all the stones, he shall first go to Vormir to return the soul stone, which he will toss from high above but soul stone is not like other stones which you can just return back, hence a residual energy of soul stone shall remain with Steve, after that Steve would go to Asgard where he shall return Frigga, aether in the form of reality stone which Friga with her magic shall place it back into Jane's body and shall also return the Mjolnir.

Then Captain shall go to Ancient One and return the Time Stone, Space Stone and Mind Stone.

Ancient One with her magic shall put the time stone back into the locket, space stone back into the tesseract and mind stone into the septor and she shall also make the orb around the power stone and Captain places it back in the respective timeline.

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And after all these, when Steve shall go back to Peggy to fulfill his dance promise, this decision shall create a new timeline, because it's Loki now sitting in place of Kang as the custodian who is allowing for such timelines to be created and Russo brothers had long back cleared that any change in any time is creating a new branch timeline.

Now Steve trying to go to Peggy shall be teleported to Kamar Taj by Ancient One as now there are two Steves in the past timeline, one fighting the red skull and other trying to go to Peggy who is now teleported to Kamr Taj.

Now Ancient One has no problem with Steve fulfilling his promise but says him to wait till the promise happens in that timeline.

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Apart from that, the soul stone residue inside Steve was also creating disbalance in the universe. Now Ancient One explains him that this decision of his has created a new timeline but it shall not last long because the energy inside you shall not allow it to sustain, so if you want to live a life with Peggy then you would have to alllow me to finish this and Steve agrees.

So, Ancient One finishes the energy which as a shock wave spreads in the earth in small amounts which triggers the X gene.

In 1945 X Men #1, Magneto first showcased his magnetic Powers.

So it was due to Captain that in this universe, that the entire mutant species got born.

We have seen how Wanda and her brother quicksilver hot their powers through mind stone. Now that time Marvel didn't have the rights of X Men, hence they couldn't be named as Mutants in MCU but they are mutants.

Coming back to Captain, after meeting Ancient One, she teleports him directly to the plane where the last fight between Captain and Red Skull occurs. Now here instead of Red Skull, the Steve of thay timeline picks up the tesseract and gets deported to Vormir and the Steve of our timeline who is time travelling captures Red Skull and ejects from the plane( as was suggested by War Machine in deleted scene of Endgame).

Now Steve becomes a National Hero and fulfills the promise of dance with Peggy and eliminates Hydra from it's roots and also finds Bucky who has been in control of Hydra

After that he meets Ancient One and asks about the Steve of that timeline to which Ancient One replies that Steve is lost in a way magic is also not able to find and hence the Steve of this timeline decides to live in that timeline and fulfill the needs of Captain America there. Now in that timeline, Tesseract is found but it's known to only 4 people:-

1. Steve

2. Peggy

3. Bucky

4. Howard

Now Steve starts his mission to create the world peaceful and warfree in which these 3 people help him and they also take help of U.S. Government. Now this Steve being from future, knows exactly of the threats that are about to come and hence preemptively neutralize all of them with his team. Howard alongside this mission also will be fulfilling his own quests and hence the King of Latveria asks Howard for help as Howard has created many futuristic technologies and weaponry from the energy of Tesseract. Now Steve knew Howard was a toxic father for Tony and hence advises him to be a different kind of father and advices him to tour Maria and Tony too with him wherever he goes and he does so simultaneously fulfilling the missions and when they go to Latveria, they realise this was a trap and The King of Latveria just wanted to steal Howard's research. When Howard refuses, Latveria has Howard and Maria killed in a deadly attack and Tony survives but half of his face burned. In this attack, many native Latverians also die(who are of Tony's age) and hence everybody think that Tony also perished but he didn't. Tony with his half burned face Romans here and there in Latveria but nobody accepts him until one day he sees a witch Hunting practice going on, on a lady named Agatha and Tony unable to control tries to save ethe burning lady and the process has the other half of his face burned to. After a while Tony and Agatha are disappeared through magic to arrive at a safe place by none other than Natalia Maximoff, the mother of Wanda. Here we understand that Agatha from acquiring magic powers by mistake got his son killed and hence doesn't wants to live anymore but then Natalia changes her mind and explains her how she lost her son for learning magic and the one who saved her was also a parentless boy who selflessly jumped into the fire.

Agatha having been understood, does a illusion on Tony's burned face where the world would see Agatha's son's face on Tony but only Agatha and Natalia would see the burned face of Tony.

Tony now happy of having a family starts living with them and becomes a guardian like figure to the Latverians helping them through his genius mind. He also starts learning magic. King of Latveria sees all this and decides to punish them.

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At the other side Steve wit his team is succeeding in his missions. Where in the real timeline, U.S. Gov having the Tesseract led to the creation of Captain Marvel, in this universe it doesn't happens because Steve keeps it hidden.

If No Captain Marvel, that means Nick Fury never starts the Avengers Initiative and hence in this universe there are no Avengers. And as Captain being in the frontline is fighting successfully alongside his team, this timeline also doesn't sees the recreation of Super Soldier Serum and hence no Hulk too. Other countries now try to solve the problem of Mutants which Steve was also handling.

Tony had said to Steve in Endgame that playing with time leads to time playing with you and hence it happens, Steve alone with X Men fight the Mutants.

Now coming back to Latveria, when Tony finds out about the inhumane attacks of The King of Latveria against the people he being enraged wages war against him.

In this process he understands about his Dad's inventions and more about Tesseract.

Hence Tony goes to talk with Steve about this but Steve is unable to recognise him because of the spell of Agatha but after Tony says some very secret stuff to him, he realizes it is indeed Tony. But suddenly Steve starts seeing the real burned face of Tony and Tony realizes it is not possible unless the enchanter is dying.

Realising that Agatha is dying he rushes to Latveria where Natalia informs him that King of Latveria got Agatha killed.

This finishes the final moral soul of Tony and he starts killing those soldiers mercilessly even killing some innocent people too

Natalia tries to stop him by saying he is killing innocents which is not what a Saviour does, to which Tony says:-

"I AM NO SAVIOUR, I AM DOOM"

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Natalia using the whatever remaining chaos magic inside her contains Tiny first and advices him to become Doom for the beings due to whom the universe has become so miserable at the first place.

She advices him to not become what Howard and Agatha died fighting and after that Natalia enchants him to the last core after which Tony, now Doom defeats and kills the king and his followers and becomes the new king of Latveria.

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Wdy guys think?