r/AgendaHotel

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What is the worst thing that can happen in Season 3?

Wait until Alastor finds out nobody gives a crap about Hell's royalty though.

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Charlie’s Plot Armor

Whenever another character makes mistakes:

Consequences

Damnation

Responsibility

Accountability

Punishment

Repercussions

Discipline

Conviction

Growth

Pain

Injury

Death

Whenever Charlie does something bad or wrong:

Gentle parenting

Comfort

Lesbian Sex

Songs

Enablement

Pardoning

Forgiveness

Pampering

Pity Parties

Rewards

And then people blame Charlie hate on sexism. Nah, we just don’t wanna root for a spoiled brat.

u/WRATH2005 — 3 days ago
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(For a future part of a fanfic) News from the front!

*“You know, when we first drove into Hell, we thought we would be fighting both Hellborn and Sinners. But every settlement we found, the few that weren’t ruins, only the sinners weren’t friendly, and they went pretty quiet when we bared our teeth. The Hellborn? They were friendly to us, and when we began giving out the excess supplies we’ve gotten, they god damn loved us. Who knew that giving some medical equipment, food, basic decency and law would make demons like us? Hell, they even love the D Rations. Nothing put a smile on me and my boys than seeing some Hellborn kids find the joy in a Hot Chocolate made from D Ration. As for Hell? Well it’s colder than Nevada, so being in full kit is actually pleasant. We haven’t encountered any hostiles yet, but when we do, we’ll let the M72s do our talking.”* -Staff Sergeant Gator, 11th ‘Sierra Sons’ ID

u/Sierra_Bit_Tails — 5 days ago
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In defense of Charlie

Yes this is my video lol i made it a while ago, don't mind the crappy editing

You better be pleased with me backgroundrich mod guy I'm posting something in favor of your agenda

Also disclaimer I made this a few months ago so if I said anything you know for a fact isn't true, I probably didn't figure that out until after I made the video

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u/FNAF_Professor — 5 days ago

The whole idea that 'Heaven is sexist because Abel got chosen over Lute' is stupid

Ok, was Lute much more qualified? Yes! She absolutely was! But that had nothing to do with it. Abel got the job because of SUCCESSION, not gender. It's clear heaven runs on a 'born into your role' kind of system. Where people are born into their rank, and in very rare cases, skill or experience matters.

For example, Emily clearly isn't meant for the brutality of politics, yet she's second only to the high seraphim and the speaker of god herself in heaven's court as far as we've currently seen. Emily is a heaven-born seraphim. She wasn't given her rank due to her skillset; she was MADE for it. Literally created as a seraphim for politics and court despite her not having any skills in that situation.

Abel being made leader of the exorcists because of his father instead of Lute because of her skill is no different than a prince inheriting the throne instead of a soldier who was loyal to the king for years

Also, you can't really use this argument when ALL OF ABEL'S SUPERIORS ARE WOMEN!!!

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u/Electronic_Theme_558 — 5 days ago

Show me the ships there's nothing inherently wrong with but you still dislike (and tell me why)

TW: mentions of abuse and SA

RadioApple: I can't understand why this ship is so popular, it's just really boring and corny to me. A lot of RadioApple shippers seem to greatly mischaracterize the two in order for the ship to work (AUs are fine ofc), and it's not even a fun enemies to lovers trope imo. They don't like each other in any way, they're just two grumpy prideful jackasses that wanna get one over the other every chance they get.

RadioJoy: I simply don't like the idea of shipping a sweet character with someone who's definitely gonna treat them like shit. If you have an AU where Emily "fixes" Alastor or something then ok, fine, but canonically I don't think Alastor would treat Emily well at all. I've also seen a lot of RadioJoy shippers make Emily secretly just as sadistic as Alastor which isn't my cup of tea, just let a sweetheart be a sweetheart 💔

AdamsApple: I fucking hate this ship gng 🫩 it's mostly because SO much of the AdamsApple art I've seen is always Lucifer tying Adam up and abusing him or something absolutely disgusting. It's genuinely shocking how much art like that you can find of this ship, I just happened to find this nice one. That's the main reason I started to really hate it, but I also dislike it because of my personal interpretation of Adam and Lucifer's relationship. Lucifer was way older and more knowledgeable than the humans, and he was an angel; a figure whom would be seen as trustworthy to the humans. He took advantage of Adam and Eve and tricked them into letting evil into the Earth. There's no way Lucifer didn't know that he was taking advantage of their trust. So yeah it makes me uncomfortable to imagine Adam dating the guy who tricked him and his wife and forever doomed their children.

StaticBelle: Same as AdamsApple, I don't think I've seen a single fanart depicting an actual healthy romantic relationship between them except this one (and this art might even be platonic so who knows), it's always Vox abusing Charlie and treating her in a really... Predatory way. Now look I get shipping toxic stuff for the interesting angst, like I ship FallenWings cuz I like the idea of Lute and Vaggi being bitter exes, but there's a difference between toxic ships for exploring a dynamic and straight up fetishizing abuse, which is what most StaticBelle stuff I've seen does. All the toxic fetishization of it just completely ruined any appeal I could've had for the ship. Also can anyone tell me why Charlie is called Belle in this ship? How is Charlie a Belle?

GuitarQueen: Same reasoning as AdamsApple tbh, but it's because in my AU, I go by what The Medieval Myth (Midrash Abkir & The Zohar) says Lilith did to Adam (in case you don't know, Lilith rapes Adam in his sleep). So yeah naturally, seeing this ship makes me uncomfortable, plus the fact she helped Lucifer trick Eve and later tried to lead a rebellion against Heaven so I don't think Adam would really wanna get with her again; matter of fact I don't think Lilith and Adam ever loved each other at all. But other than that I'm pretty much ok with the ship- except for the fact Adam is MINE!

HolyBlades: This ship makes me INSANELY uncomfortable. The idea of someone having a crush on some guy and then going after the guy's kid after he dies does NOT sit right with me. And yes ik Abel is way older than Lute and they are closer in age than she and Adam are, but tbh mentally Lute acts way older than him. Their relationship could also very easily become abusive judging by how Lute treats Abel at the moment. Maybe they'll get better but rn the idea of it makes me really uncomfortable. Especially the fanart. Most of it isn't making it out to be the relationship it could be (because it DOES have the potential to be a healthy relationship), they're just fetishizing Lute seeing Abel as a replacement for Adam and trying to get with him. I literally saw a fucking comic where Lute rapes Abel in order to "toughen him up like Adam", so yeah that completely killed any sort of enjoyment I could have for the ship.

CherriSnake: Never understood the appeal of this ship tbh, it came out of nowhere and felt so forced, especially in season one (the only reason it didn't feel forced in season two is probably because they were seperated). Pure fan service imo. You have all these other people Pentious actually has a deep and interesting dynamic with (talking about Emily and Sera, but I don't ship Pentious with either of them. I'm a Baxtious enjoyer), but no, we're shipping him with Cherri 💀 and tbh I really dislike Cherri Bomb in season one. She disregarded Angel Dust when he tried to vent about his day, then proceeded to peer pressure him into doing drugs with her despite him saying he didn't want to. She also let Pentious get dragged into the Sex Room and possibly SA'd even when he was very obviously screaming for help?? She was an absolutely awful friend and Pentious deserves way better. I liked her so much more in the pilot, it felt like she actually cared about her friends. Though Cherri did step up a lot better in season two, I enjoyed watching her and Husk become friends.

GuitarSpear: now I know what you're all thinking, no I don't dislike the ship JUST because I like Adam 🙄 imo they're very not good for each other. They bring out the worst in each other in fact. Adam seems to be the one to have taught Lute the violent behavior and beliefs she knows, and Lute constantly enables and encourages Adam's shitty behavior. Realistically they both need someone to help them heal, being with each other would just make them worse. I also really wanted Lute to be lesbian, and making her in love with Adam cheapens her character imo. Lute is ultimately a victim of Heaven's system. They created her to be a killer and then basically tossed her aside when they decided there was a better way, and completely disregard her feelings. I think it would be SO much more interesting if Lute was motivated by being terrified of losing the purpose she was created for and is trying to desperately hold onto the beliefs she was taught by her closest friend (Lute being a confused lesbian would make a lot of sense and be really interesting. Adam was her absolute best friend and she doesn't seem to do much socializing outside of him. It would make sense her brain confused this deep sense of care for him with "oh I must be in love with him" because she's never really bonded with anyone else, especially since she seems to harbor internalized homophobia). But in the show, it feels more like she's portrayed as "Lute loved Adam and she's mad he's dead so therefore she wants to kill everyone". Now obviously revenge can still be a motivator for her, but I don't think the show is focusing on the tragedy of Lute's position as much as it should. It would also make more sense for her primary motivator to be holding onto her beliefs rather than just avenging Adam if she's gonna be a slow burn villain like the show intends. But that's just how I would write her, she's still interesting nonetheless.

No hate to anyone who ships these, these are just my opinions!! Please don't hate on anyone in the comments either, some of y'all gotta learn to respect some people just ain't gonna like your ship. All the art is super cute btw, no hate to the artists!

u/FNAF_Professor — 8 days ago
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Sera is a bigger misogynist than Adam

She and her constituents created women to have all these biological flaws. She is also the one who enabled Adam and sided with him over his wives in their feuds of dominion and control.

Adam cannot create life with magic. That is something that seems to be exclusive to Seraphim class angels. Sera was most likely the creator of the Exorcists, especially since no one else was to know about the Exterminations.

Sera is also a lesbian, a group that has notoriously high domestic violence rates. If Adam was abusing the Exorcists, it was most likely Sera teaching him a thing or two.

I don't think Vivzie realized the implications of making the top leaders of Heaven women instead of men.

u/GarlicLoose506 — 10 days ago
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I am genuinely curious how Lucifer defended himself in Heaven Court.

I don't he can beat the groomer allegations.

u/GarlicLoose506 — 10 days ago
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CHOOSE yo FIGHTER!:

On an oversized ROME’s Colosseum [There’s also a dome, so, they can’t escape flying] - The 7 Deadly Sins are Angelic Steel Chained. The task?
Defeat the 9 Main Dino Antagonists from each Film/Show:
• Rexy [1993’s]
• Buck and Doe [The Lost World]
• Snock/Asset 87/Spinosaurus [JP///-Camp Cretaceous]
• Darcy/Indominus Rex [JW]
• Indoraptor [Fallen Kingdom]
• Scorpios Rex [Camp Cretaceous]
• Zeb/Giganotosaurus [Dominion/Chaos Theory]
• Distortus Rex [Rebirth]

All of them with angelic steel teeth btw.
One of the 7 sins has to fight them, who are you choosing and WHY?
• King of Hell (Lucifer)?
• King of Wrath (Satan)?
• Queen of Gluttony (Beelzebub)?
• King of Greed (Mammon)?
• King of Lust (Asmodeus)?
• Queens of Envy (Leviathan)?
• Queen of Sloth (Belphegor)?

[YK… probably the last 2 since we know nothing of them, are practically cannon fodder till proven otherwise]

u/Sufficient-Eye-9040 — 11 days ago
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I wonder why no one has criticized the concepts she used in writing her male characters.

It's very common for people to mention her neglect in writing female characters, which is true. She doesn't pay much attention to writing female characters, for some reason. Some people even said she has some internalized misogyny or at least she's a Fujoshi (=Boy's love fans) and that's why her female character is flatter than male characters etc.

Which is pretty confusing to me. Just because Vivziepop doesn't neglected her male character, dosen't mean she doesn't seem to have prejudice(?) against them.

First of all, have you noticed that almost every male character in this story is consistently a terrible ​father/husband/boyfriend/FWB/friend/older brother​ or at least have potential to be one.

Like, almost all of them. Regardless of their intentions, whether they're deliberately behaving like that or not, whether they're trying their best, they always terrible in at least one of these roles.

Or if they don't, they always described as "well they're too coward or silly to be a threat" (Abel, Sir Pentious , Moxxie)

If they don't have family/partner or a friend it's always "They're just too evil to care about anyone and too selfish to have a family/partner/friend" (Alastor, Striker)

Meanwhile female characters are never defined to be evil because of these roles (mother/sister/girlfriend/friend) but it rather their "influence from environment make them evil" or "they have no choice but to be evil" all the time.

Take a look at Vaggi, (Even she is the morally grey one, not pure evil.) she was created to be an exorcist so she has no choice but to do her job. Or Loona, she maybe rude constantly but she was an mental unstable orphan that probably got emotionally neglected before.

So it's count as "they have no choice" and influence from environment is to blame.

Charlie is a terrible friend to Angel, sure, but it's dosen't present as "evilness" but it's more like "she doesn't mean to" all the time.

Velvette aren't good person either but it's rarely show that she is have anything against our main cast because she just went along with her friends. She is never defined to be evil because one of these roles (mother/sister/girlfriend/friend) either.

I don't know if this is what Viv's intention or just her subconscious but it's kinda weird to me that nobody brings this up before. I didn't try to nitpicking anyone but if they gonna criticise writing about character's gender then why no one addressed elephant in the room?

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u/Cartoonmenismylife — 13 days ago

Dad Joke about Alastor(I am Chuckling)

If Alastor were the overlord of newspapers,

his enemies would have been read to Sir Reindeer.

Yeah, that joke was a massacre.

That's all, folks.

u/Pleiades_Synced — 13 days ago