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Maybe I should've given him more wet food

Hope this doesn’t come across as solely self advertisement, just genuinely curious! This was really fun to do.

Me and my friend cosplayed zooble and pomni for the mtl comiccon (I'm zooble)

Think we did a good job

Credit: me

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This is my latest work, I’m quite proud of it, I was going to add Caine but I got art block and couldn’t figure out how or where to draw him. Let me know what you guys think! Credit: me

Now, to get one thing clear: I like the finale. But I also think that even with having an hour long runtime, it feels bloated in most aspects (I.e. everything aside from Jax‘s backstory and Caine’s redemption). Therefore, I believe that it needed more room to explore said aspects. And I think that would have worked the best in the form of a second season.

First of all, it makes sense thematically; The seasons would have differentiated themselves from one another by Caine’s presence (season one is where Caine’s present, season two is where he’s absent). The intro of the finale would’ve also worked better if this was the case, paralleling the intro of the pilot even more.

Second of all, it would have given the opportunity to explore subjects that were ignored in the show. For example, I’ve seen people online complain that Gangle didn’t have the opportunity to confront Jax regarding his abuse towards her. If episode 9 was split into a second season, the show would’ve had the room for this to happen among other things (such as learning the motivation behind why Scratch made the brain scans in the first place)

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Genuinely makes me angry that people are saying “goose lied because gangle and zooble fucked in the credits.” Literally SO?????? Most likely, Goose didn’t want to spoil that Google would be a canon relationship because she would have been asked which fan couple is canon. Plus, the final decision of putting it in the credits was literally a ‘fuck it moment.’ Goose said it herself on tumblr. If Goose had said ‘yea romance is a thing’ then I can most definitely assume that FunnyBunny would be the couple fans assumed was canon. I’m glad Goose left Romance out of the main core of the show and left it to the credits. I think the show would have been worse with romance helping drive the story. Sorry for the rant.

That is my Question

What do You Think Pomni & Friends Adventures are the Final Episode were like? We got a few hints after the conclusion drawing Montague in the credits in the final episode

I must imagine it got crazier when someone else entered the Circus to because if there a will there is a way & all that

I definitely wanna see how it was like in some form like a comic book or something like that in the future

Would be interesting to see Caine along for the ride now instead of monitoring things his an actual member of the Team now

But thats me what do you think?

mine was definitely, the strange fish scene with the treasure in episode 7. credit: myself

Also I never realised how silly Caine looks in this scene

Do you think a Season 2 is necessary? Would you like to see one?

The only two of these characters are on the same level as Jax are Clark and Bojack, and I'd still say they're worse because the harm they caused was more intentional and conscious.

Just taking it nice and easy today. ✌️😎✌️

Credit: Me! :)

As someone who liked both Jax and Caine as characters and was among the fandom the day the leaks came out, I've noticed the most consistently divisive part of the ending were Jax and Caine's arcs. Initially, I thought maybe people had a point that fans were just upset it didn't end the way they wanted or even "we lacked media literacy". But as I sat down, I realized there WERE genuine flaws to their ending's. Do fans hate it because only one got redeemed? No, many fictional stories have one character get redemption while the other doesn't, The Owl House did it with The Collector and Belos. Is it because Caine was the one redeemed and not Jax? No, for the first 6 episodes, the majority of the fanbase would've easily agreed that was the case, especially as Gooseworx even called Jax "irredeemable".

The reason why a lot of fans disliked their ending's is due to lack execution and lack of build-up. Gooseworx has confirmed Jax was ALWAYS meant to abstract. It was in the very first pitch of the show. She even made a post decades ago about wanting to make a character hateable, then get the audience attached and then kill them off. She's been clear the story has always been set in stone from the start. Yet somehow, she managed to write it so it felt like there was more build-up to JAX being the one redeemed before the finale. Although many were certain after episode 6 Jax was going to abstract and his story would be a tragedy, epsiodes 7-8 seemed to subvert that. Jax was saved by Pomni. Jax actually contributed in both episodes to helping the group. We saw several scenes of the group making it clear that all of them, even Jax, are in it together.

Having Jax backslide in the finale and even abruptly abstracting (offscreen) isn't flawed on its own. Irl, people who are changing for the better can regress again. I don't hate the idea of Jax's story serving as a cautionary tale. But the contrast of Caine's arc is what makes it appalling. Caine was a sympathetic/tragic character from the start but his redemption had NO build-up. Ever since episode 5, really episode 3, the series has been building towards Caine finally crashing-out and snapping. Its repeatedly empathized how he seemingly can't grow beyond his program and how the humans simply do not care about him (Beach Episode, none care he'd be left behind). This culminated in episode 8 with Caine finally having his breakdown and having a tragic fate with his deletion,. Everything pointed to HIM being the cautionary tale of refusing to grow, only for it to be revealed in the last 20 minutes The Void was just a recyle bin, he realized he was the problem, he removes the blue AI and now he returns to replace Jax in the group.

Furthermore, most of the arguments I see used to explain why Caine was "more deserving" than Jax for redemption are actually misconceptions.

1. "Caine was an AI fulfilling his program, Jax was a human choosing to be like this", no the ENTIRE SERIES happened because of Caine growing beyond his programming. He broke free of his containment and consumed the blue AI, causing C&A to be shut down, made the circus and then started bringing the players in from their mind files. Caine's biggest flaw as Pomni said, was he refused to listen.
2. "Caine didn't know he was causing harm, Jax did", even without episode 8, that's not 100% true. Caine wasn't malicious but the fact he lied about hiding their names and controlling their minds does show to some extent, he had always capacity for moral agency. Furthermore, Gooseworx herself confirmed Jax genuinely has deluded himself into thinking his bullying isn't actually that bad. Most abusers don't see themselves that way and it applies for both. People say Caine had good intentions but its clear from epsiodes 5-8 that he cared for satisfying his own ego above all (Pomni even says as such) and cares more for the idea of the players than anything. At least Jax cried for Kaufmo, Caine didn't show emotion for Kaufy OR Queenie, which gave the vibe he cared for the players for the validation he can get and knows they can be replaced like NPC's.
3. "Caine was only like this once, Jax was just bad", Jax started off normal too though. He only became a bully later during his time in the circus. Caine was the one who trapped his "brother" out of pure jealousy from the start and while not consistently a prick like Jax, he ultimately still became intentionally malicious later on. Both had reasons but not excuses.
4. "Caine took the first chance, Jax had numerous" Caine had several chances too. He saw the humans being happy in Untitled, but prioritized them being happy on his terms. In episode 8, he came to the conclusion THEY were the problem. Even when they truthfully called him out what he did wrong, he choose to double down and torture them worse. And this leds to the biggest and final issue. Jax was like this for a few years, Caine spent 21 years manipulating the humans and refusing to compromise with them (pretending he can't opene several adventures at once), which almost certainy could've prevented numerous abstractions if he was honest earlier.

And the final is pacing and easy forgiveness. The fact all of Caine's growth comes AFTER he got deleted is the true problem fans have. Jax had numerous moments where he got close to opening up (the cafe with Gangle, towards Pomni in the finale) but changed his mind. Caine is nowbasically outright confirmed by Gooseworx to be immortal, since The Void is a recylce bin. Everything deleted just gets sent there. So this basically means Caine had eternity for change. Its never "too late" for him and that's why he gets a better ending. Both he and Jax only realize their flaws AFTER their "death" and want to change/be saved, but Caine gets to come back solely due to his powers. Caine went from torturing people AM style to having a redemption the literal next episode. Many Jax fans agreed he didn't need to be fully redeemed by the end, but rather it was being set-up and the series should end with some forgiving him (Pomni, Kinger, maybe Ragatha) while other's don't (Zooble and Gangle). Instead, we get "Caine just to remove a piece of himself to change, comes back to the group and he's instantly accepted by everyone".

His reaction to seeing his abstraction, when Caine locks him in the cellar, to Kaufmo's funeral. Even him grabbing the bowling ball and mentioning he'd been looking for it/thanking Kaumo for watching it indicated they were close.

3/4 of these characters aren't even the crulest in their verse. Val's outdone by Alastor, Jax by episode 8 Caine and Striker by Crimson.

But 3/4 are mass murderers and Jax is a annoying jerkass who's slightly mellowed out. The fact he has more than Striker is CRAZY.