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People won't give up statism because it's tied to myth and identity

I think Murray Rothbard put it well when he said that once upon a time, wars between rulers were seen for what they are: wars between rulers. But the rise of nationalism, particularly after the 1800s, helped obfuscate the nature of political conflict and make people believe that wars were between nations; essentially, my tribe vs. yours. It tapped into a very primitive and hard-to-quell aspect of human nature, and the result is that now, people view criticisms of the state as criticisms of their nation, their family, which needless to say is not easy for many to handle.

Mythology is also a powerful tool in the maintenance of state rule over their cattle. Myths are frequently told in order to add a touch of magic to otherwise ordinary phenomenon which would not be tolerated if people viewed them literally, such as in the case of state extortion. You'll hear all sorts of myths depending on where you are about how the nation was born, how the state was born out of a unanimous agreement between the government and the governed, etc. What's sad is that even among libertarians, who are often minarchists, people will tell stories about how the birth of a state allowed for law and order which allows people to have wealth and political freedoms that otherwise would not have come about, implying that if you enjoy the life you have now, you owe your gratitude to the state.

I think the difficult task here, for voluntarists that is, is getting people to disconnect their emotional ties to their nations from the idea that you need a state in order to have it. You can have cultures, civility and economic luxuries without a violent ruling class imposing their demands on everybody. It's a difficult task, but one that's imperative in the effort to create a free world.

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u/Drakosor — 1 day ago

waxing poetic on ALPR's

Nothing political isnt personal, mainly because our view points are created by our lives as a whole. This assumes it's not work. Only the human creature will suspend it's own belief to benifit it's self in other ways, as best we know so far. Lobbyist will lobby for things they dont believe in even hate, just to cash that check. They swallow the personal. Set them self aside. The better part of nobility perverted on the macro to serve the micro. Usually family.

The money helps me pay for better college. A better school better house an home while society takes the hit. The social equivelent of you cant breath profits.

What does this have to do with flock? Well this is the engine and those are the gears of our demise, in our attempt to stop the skynet esq police state it seems the oligarchy wants.

There is a saying "capitalism owns the rebellion against it". The way we win is we make the rebellion worth more than the panopticon. Maybe some one will be kind enough to give us the market cap of ALPR security companies in the US.

An then we must own that rebellion.

There's more but I have other things to do, isnt that how they really get us time. This is there job its just our want for the nature of society. They have 8 hours a day we have what 2 at each end. shit im trying to start three companies and run an existing thing. so i have 1 here and there. Any way I'd love to hear ideas.

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u/Critica0 — 2 days ago

Do y'all treat minarchists as premature ancaps or as any regular statist?

I am a minarchist , randian minarchist to be specific. Do y'all treat minarchists as soon to become ancaps(because a lot of ancaps used to be minarchists) or as just other statists?

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u/WillingnessSad8354 — 2 days ago

Does ancap economics reject the use of empirical evidence? If so, why? And how can we know if any economic assertion is true if it can't be tested?

One of my problems with a lot of ancaps I talk with when it comes to economic discussions is that they seem to discuss economics purely on a theoretical/hypothetical level and are dismissive of any empirical evidence that may contradict their views, such as the evidence that we have for the efficacy of many government interventions such as various effective tax and redistribution schemes that many wealthy governments run that we know from the evidence is effective at alleviating societal ills such as poverty.

From my understanding, ancaps draw from Austrian Economics for their economic views which relies on praxeology, which to my understanding attempts to derive economic prescriptions from logic. The problem with this is that logic alone can never lead to us any kind of proofs for human action on its own, because all logic does is give us a system of rules to formalise arguments. As long as an argument does not violate the three known laws of logic, you can make pretty much any claim and it would be logically valid.

For example, consider these two propositions: "Government welfare reduces poverty" vs "Government welfare does not reduce poverty". Neither of these propositions are logically contradictory on their own, nor do they violate the law of identity, nor do they violate the law of the excluded middle. Hence neither claim violates the laws of logic, so you necessarily need to use something OTHER than pure logic to demonstrate that either claim is true or false.

I'm interested to know what I'm missing here, as I'm a utilitarian so I don't find ancap ethics to be very persuasive at all but I could be convinced to becoming an ancap if there is a good argument for why an ancap economic framework would be superior.

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u/-vexy- — 4 days ago

Do you guys agree with this? This seems to be the only non-arbitrary way to get around giving animals rights under an ancap framework

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u/-vexy- — 7 days ago

In-kind instead of cash: could universal free food (run as a regulated utility) work better than UBI?

A thought experiment I've been developing: instead of

distributing cash, guarantee food itself as a public utility — an automated supply chain

with near-zero marginal cost — and place capitalism on top for scarcity and experience.

In-kind avoids the "spent on the wrong things" critique and lets you direct nutrition,

but it raises its own problems: boundary arbitrage with the paid sphere, and the

concentration of power over both food and mass attention ("bread and circuses"), which

I argue is the real unsolved core. Curious what this sub thinks about in-kind vs cash on

the specific axis of long-run cooperation. Full write-up (essay + paper, JP/EN) linked in

comments. 

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u/Real_Squirrel_4055 — 6 days ago

Lets get a breakdown on Ancap Stuff

so in my last post here I asked what the different factions of Ancap are and I was able to get into a lot of interesting sources into how the majority of Anarcho Capitalists' perspectives and philosophy.

in my research ive come across some interesting concepts, terminology and ideas and would like to get these broken down to see if I got them correct or if perhaps there are multiple interpretations of the same concepts

to reiterate I am not an Ancap myself just interested in learning about this Aisle of the political spectrum. I do not claim to have masterful knowledge in fact these posts are more so to get that better understanding as I think hearing from the people that put stock into these ideals is better than just reading a book about it

so first of all "Statism": I think I understand this the least but from what I understand the Ancap consensus is that the State/Government is where corruption is. The Negative connotation towards capitalism in general comes from its interaction with the state and that is why the state is bad and the desire is to get rid of it. if that is done then capitalism is more or less fixed?

next the Taxes issue: Ive heard from some sources that some versions of Ancap believe that Taxes are theft and that they can build a society in which they don't exist. A hot take to say the least I can see for those that have a business high taxes are not ideal but no taxes whatsoever even in a more anarchist society is a wild claim and I would think it was probably a statement made out of context

Lastly "end all be all": Im really interested in this one because ive gotten two perspectives. Some Ancap people are saying that Anarcho-Capitalism is not to be the end all be all, that the desire for this sort of system is more so to be a transitional period before going into another system and it has varied from person to person as to what exactly but ive heard syndicalism and anarcho-socialism which seems like a complete 180 but again I have no idea. My question being that is the previous statement true? or is the idea that Ancap is the end all be all perfect system and why?

these are just 3 of the concepts ive been seeing around on the subreddit and a few other internet spaces, id like to hear some thoughts and feel free to propose some other concepts, questions and ideas for future posts

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u/JaydenFrisky — 6 days ago

Will the rich still be hated in a stateless society?

This is more of a social and psychological question than one about anarcho-capitalism, but I think it's an interesting one to ponder.

The world is an unfair place and some people have greater amounts of wealth than others. This is true and has been since the beginning of time. People who believe in statist myths will vilify the rich and view them as greedy, selfish thieves who need to have their wealth confiscated by the state. They look to government as a noble arbiter of justice to make everything "fair." Jealousy and desires of fairness are hardwired into the human psyche, so it's not surprising that many poor people hate the rich. And if you don't understand economics, which most people don't, you won't see that there are reasons—often very valid reasons—why some people have more than others.

Assuming the state is gone and we're living in ancapistan, what do you think people's view of the rich will be? Human psychology won't be any different and most people will still be economically illiterate and make false assumptions about rich people being greedy or stomping the poor in a "zero-sum game," but there won't be a belief in government for people to turn to to demand so-called "fairness." Do you think a society based on voluntary behaviors will lead to a shift in cultural mentality that softens antagonism towards the rich? If you're raised in a market and don't know any statism, will you be more likely to understand why the rich are rich and why you can't blame them too much?

Just some food for thought...

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u/Hxapcneh3_28 — 7 days ago

I have multiple questions.

  1. What is it like being an AnCap in 2026?

  2. What is the best example of a modern day ancap content creator?

(Dumb question) 3. Is a 7/11 burgerdog a hotdog or a burger?

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u/Inevitable-Memory-61 — 7 days ago

If the “USA” turned Ancap

Very stupid question (thanks for putting up with me)

But for the life of me with how dumb people are (I’m no genius myself) and how many straw man arguments are made about Ancap philosophy from people who couldn’t count to 5

Does the philosophy (in basic) stand a chance in your opinion of actually ever becoming realized?

If I’m being rude please account it to me being stupid not malicious. Thank you all

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u/Acceptable-Toe4766 — 9 days ago

are there subfactions of AnCap?

might be a strange question but as ive been watching this subreddit for a while there is definitely a division in the community as to what people say Anarcho Capitalism is and what its supposed to do.

In general of course in politics, you get people with their own perspectives and niche understanding of the bigger picture. Though every group can still be broken down to an even smaller group. you have your Leftists that can be broken down into socialists, communists among other things on the spectrum. but they of course can be broken down further Market Socialism, Anarcho-Communism, lots of isms

what are the different perspectives within this specific group of people that stand out from one another?

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u/JaydenFrisky — 11 days ago