r/Ancient_Pak
Let me clear this discord surrounding whether Indus Valley Belongs to India or Pakistan
I’m a Pakistani
Let me clear this
The borders of both India & Pakistan are purely drawn on basis of religion, NOT that one is Indus & other is not, or for any genetic or civilizational reason
Both Civilizations are children of the Indus Valley
Pakistan however had the earlier and larger settlements,
India has (surprisingly) more recent & numerous but smaller IVC settlements & eventually the settlements moved into India & extended it to the Ganges
Pakistani nationalists think the Ganges is a different civilization but no, it’s the continuation of the same one & is more recent. So much so that the Indus Valley was later abandoned & Ganges became the successor. They did not exist at the same time.
It’s like how capitals move, Mecca to Madina to Kufa to Damascus to Istanbul
Just like our capital moved from Karachi to Islamabad
In the same way the Indus Valley extended into the Ganges
Indus Valley: 6000-7000 years old
Ganges: 3000-4000 years old
Indian nationalists think Indus valley were Hindus but that’s not true, while Hinduism did incorporate local beliefs of IVC, it was the steppe Aryans that migrated/invaded & brought their Vedic religion to the Ganges long after Indus was Abandoned.
Genetically the closest people to the Indus Valley are Brahuis, Sindhis, Rajasthanis, Seraikis, but their DNA is universally spread across the entire subcontinent
Here’s the fun part;
The IVC people are themselves an amalgamation; called Dravidians
The Dravidians are a mix of Iranian Neolithic Zagrosian Farmer & AASI (Ancient Ancestral South Indian)
Ancient Ancestral South Indian (AASI) is the oldest component of South Asia: 50,000-60,000 years ago
Dravidian(Iranian Zagrosian + AASI): 10,000 years ago
IVC: 6000-7000 years ago
Ganges: 4000 years ago
Aryan/Steppe Migration (Modern day North Indian & Pakistanis): 3500 years ago
Vedic Period: 3000 years ago
East Asian settlers (Tibetian, Nepali, Burmese): 2000 years ago
Scythian-Bactrian settlers (Afghans): 1500 years ago
Islam: 1200 years ago (brought by early Arab sailors, then later by Turkic & Afghan Invader)
The partition of Pakistan & India is literally NOTHING & has absolutely no relation to these ancient historical events
Yes, most of what’s called the Indus River is in Pakistan, but that’s doesn’t mean it’s a “Pakistani” Civilization
Heck most of the Nile isn’t in Egypt
I hate this stupid discussion so much
Also there is some truth that religious strata of our society & nation has always disregarded & disrespected our ancient lineage, for them we should never look at our ancestors who were jahil & kaafir
Indus Valley Civilization was formed by people of mixed Iranian Neolithic farmers (Iran_N) and first Human settlements from Africa (AASI) heritage where Iran_N was major genetic component. Modern day Afghans, Pakistanis and Khalistanis are more related to the Indus Valley people than others
Make memes Cry Help yourself feel good whatsoever the facts remains the Indus Valley Civilization belong to Pakistan not to inscure f from Bihar.
17th Century Mughal drawing of six horses
Neat optical illusion
France returned smuggled artefacts back to Pakistan last year!
France returns Balochistan's smuggled archaeological artefacts to Pakistan
France seized artefacts under the 1970 UNESCO pact, which both France and Pakistan signed, to curb illicit trade.
A large number of smuggled archaeological artefacts of Balochistan which were seized by the French Customs in recent years and handed over to the Embassy of Pakistan, Paris have been sent to Pakistan, according to an official release.
These historically valuable artefacts were seized by the French Customs in pursuance of French obligations arising from UNESCO Convention of 1970 on the Means of Prohibiting and Preventing the Illicit Import, Export and transport of Ownership of Cultural property, to which both Pakistan and France are signatories.
A lot of effort and coordination from both sides led to the safe handing over and transfer of the artefacts. This also marks bilateral cooperation between Pakistan and France in the cultural domain.
For Pakistan, the return of these rare and valuable artefacts holds immense significance as these serve as a tangible link to ancient history.
My recent experience regarding this page
Assalam O Alaikum fellow Karachiites, I'm sure many of you know this page or have seen their posts. I wanted to share my personal experience.
My cousin (who's 17 years old) was non-political some years ago but just recently he was telling me about how Urdu-speaking Muhajirs have suffered and how we should work to change the conditions of Urdu-speaking community. I was very surprised. When I asked him what caused this change in him, he showed me this page.
I've seen this page and their posts & I didn't take it much seriously but after seeing my own cousin change due to this, I thought maybe I should ask more people about it.
Four major Historical cultural groups of people From South Asia.
Stupa In Taxila, Ancient Pakistan It Was Constructed Between 2nd Century B.C and 2nd Century A.D On The Spot Where Emperor Ashoka's Son Was Blinded
WWI-era British recruitment posters printed in Urdu to target Muslim recruiting grounds in Punjab and the Frontier.
Lahore Fort's Picture Wall just got a $1.9M and decade-long restoration while, Mehrgarh's site a 9,000 years old the oldest farming settlement in South Asia has been hit by rockets from tribal feuds bulldozed and abandoned since 2000 and both are Pakistan's heritage Only one is being protected.
[Architecture] Wooden architectural elements from a mosque, 17th-20th century, Swat-region, Pakistan.
Paintings of Lahore, by the American painter, Edwin Lord, Lahore (1896)
The Conquest Of Alexander VS Indus Final Boss Porus
[Discussion] Why Pakistan have named its missiles after afghan invaders of its own land?
What these raiders have to do with Islam? They didn't brought they brought shame so called Muslim used Islam name for thier own interests...
Should we name Jf 17 for afghan raider no recently the J10c were named as Indus dragon which represents core Pakistan and Chinese side this how it should be done.
What would have life for an ordinary person been like under these incredibly ancient empires?
There is so much information available about life under the Mughal empire and British Raj. So many plays and novels, thousands of poems, fantasy epics like Tilism-e-Hoshruba and Dastan-e-Amir Hamza. Basically 90% of what we read in Urdu in school. Why don't we study anything before Muhammad bin Qasim's expedition tho? Is it because they didn't record anything or are all the sources lost? It would be so interesting to read about people living in those times. Dozens of eras spread throughout the millennia and each people would have regarded their predecessors with the same fascination that we have towards the people of the mughal era.
The word india was invented by people who were talking about Sindh, Achaemenid Empire around 490 BCE Map.
Achaemenid Empire around 490 BCE and there in the far southeast corner sits a province labeled INDIA and the Persians didn't call it that they called it Hindus their pronunciation of Sindhu the old Sanskrit (orginated from Indus, Pakistan) name for the Indus River and the land around its lower basin the proto Iranian sound shift that turned s into h happened somewhere between 850 and 600 bce.
So Sindhu became Hindu and the us suffix followed the same pattern as other Persian province names like Bakhtris (Bactria) hindus just meant the land of the Sindhu not the modern day republic of India which just inherited this name with the help of Mountbatten.