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The Indus region consists of modern Pakistan, Kashmir and eastern afghanistan. it's eastern boundary is marked by the thar desert and in the north the sutlej and beas rivers.

is a common belief today that the Indus region is a crucial part of the Indian subcontinent and south Asia. This whole concept is heavily flawed, and I will explain why.

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South asia is defined as a region that has shared history, culture, linguistics, geology and civilisational roots, and it is isolated from the rest of eurasia because of it being surrounded by mountain ranges and the monsoon rains are also a defining feature.

The Indus region has little shared history with South asia. It has a 6000 year history, and only 500 it has spent united with or under the same influences as South asia.

During our earliest period, the Indus Valley civilisation, we had urban cities, trade with mesopotamia, standardised weights and measures, a script, while India was just a forest of cavemen.

We remained a separate cultural zone after the fall of the Indus Valley civilisation and the beginning of the "vedic" period. The vedic religion practised in our land, sapta sindhu, was nothing like the religion that developed much later in India after some tribes from our region migrated there, became the ruling elite, and established a different religion with different values, gods, social structure and identity.

We remained isolated from south Asia by the thar desert, and the sutlej and beas rivers marked the end of our land, beyond which the terrain changed and farming was not possible until the Persian wheel was invented. We wore stitched clothes, footwear, headwear, had entirely different beard and hairstyles. The Indian subcontinent wore drapes, mostly barefoot and without headwear. We never practised the same religion as them, with the vedic religion first being dominant in our land and then maga saurism and mahayana Buddhism becoming dominant alongside zoroastrian presence, while hinduism and other types of Buddhism remained dominant in the ganges plains.

For most of our history we were ruled by empires expanding from the west, which heavily influenced our culture. Our gandharan art was much more similar to greco roman art than to Indian art, our clothing was more similar to the persians, bactrians and sogdians and even our languages were closer to Eastern Iranian languages because of having much more contact with them, while having a different ancestor from both Indian and iranian languages. Labels like Prakrit and apabhramsa and sanskrit literally couldn't apply to us because we didn't have different elite and spoken languages.

We were a tribal, pastoralist and semi nomadic and wheat farming society, while the ganges was an agrarian settled rice farming society dominated by the rigid varna caste system. We were heavy meat eaters and wine drinkers while both of these were absent in the ganges. The soma ritual which was a central part of our vedic religion ceased to exist in the Hinduism that developed in the ganges. Our terrain was dry, steppe like characterised by doabs, while the ganges plain was a dense humid jungle.

The ganges remained isolated from the rest of eurasia while we remained a crucial part of it, we dominated the silk road and spread mahayana Buddhism to central and east Asia. Our empires, the Kushan, indo scythian and indo Greek empires were eurasian superpowers. We saw continuous migrations from the Iranian plateau and Central asia. Our trade was concentrated with the west, not the east. Students from around eurasia came to taxila to study. We wrote in the kharosthi script, not brahmi. We remained genetically more similar to populations in Central and Eastern Iran and Central asia and still are. They say half of the Indus region lays on the Indian plate. Even though by area, most of it lays in the eurasian plate, the part that lays on the indian plate is increasingly recognised as a micro plate or a transition zone between the eurasian and Indian plates.

Even now, I'm sure many of you have seen, we are literally still genetically closer to eastern persians, tajiks, western afghanistan populations than to the average north indian. The eastern iranian populations we were genetically close to are now assimilated into turkic peoples who we are distant from, but remnants like the yaghnobi people and western afghans are genetically closer to us than the average indian is. Before the turkic expansion, we were genetically closer to central asians than to indians.

I have made a discord community for those who believe the Indus region was always it's own separate west facing civilisation, those who do, you can join from this link:

https://discord.gg/qxr73KCqt

tips on how to get members

New discord server functioning as a community for people knowing the real sovereign, west facing identity of the Indus civilisation has been made. It is a new small server and needs members.

Ya'll can join here: https://discord.gg/qxr73KCqt

let that sink in

Almost none of you know the real history of Pakistan and the Indus region. All the education system of the country is inherited from British colonial times, who created the concept of the Indian subcontinent to create a stable colony. In reality, the Indus region, known as Sindh before the British and Mughal eras, was always known to be distinct from India and in fact, it was for all of history seen as closer to its western neighbours than to its eastern neighbours. The opinions of the people visiting were not based on nothing, culturally, the regions of modern day Pakistan and Eastern Afghanistan functioned as one unit, and they were separated from India by the thar desert, which most people and empires never dared to cross. The thar desert acted as a hard stop that made the Indus region isolated from the rest of India. How our history is told today is heavily shaped by the British and Mughal eras that were a small blink of an eye compared to the long history of our land, and because of a certain obsessed people of the east who want to claim us so bad.

We literally had our own civilisational roots, the Indus Valley civilisation, sapta sindhu and gandhara, that were based exclusively in our land, and each were related to civilisations of bactria, unrelated to the people of the gangetic plains. We had our own empires, the Kushan, indo scythian, indo Greek, turk shahi empires.

I have made a discord server based on the fact that the lands of the Indus were always completely distinct, sovereign civilisation and west facing rather than part of a 20th century concept of the Indian subcontinent, and it was consistently seen like this by people like Ibn Batuta, Hyecho, Al-Masudi, Al-Idirisi and Ibn khordadbeh. From the times of the Greeks to the Islamic golden age, the Thar Desert was seen as the barrier between East and west.

If you want to learn the reality of our history that is hidden from us by modern text books, join my discord here:

https://discord.gg/GGF8q9P8U

Almost none of you know the real history of the Indus region.

If you belong to any of these zat/quom/biradaris: Jatt, Arain, Khatri, Kamboj, Arora, Ror, Gujjar, Rajput, Mohyal, Tarkhan, Lohar, you originate from the lands west of the thar desert and the sutlej/beas rivers, which is the Indus region. You were displaced to the eastern lands in the late medieval ages, and in the 1947 partition.

The history most of you know is false. The British colonisers created the concept of the Indian subcontinent to create a stable colony, and you were further "brainwashed" by the indian government, who made you think you all are the same as people from uttar pradesh or bihar. In reality, the Indus region, known as Sindh before the British and Mughal eras, was always known to be distinct from India and in fact, it was for all of history seen as closer to its western neighbours than to its eastern neighbours. The opinions of the people visiting were not based on nothing, culturally, the regions of modern day Pakistan and Eastern Afghanistan functioned as one unit, and they were separated from India by the thar desert, which most people and empires never dared to cross. The thar desert acted as a hard stop that made the Indus region isolated from the rest of India. How our history is told today is heavily shaped by the British and Mughal eras that were a small blink of an eye compared to the long history of our land, and because of a certain obsessed people of the east who want to claim us so bad.

We literally had our own civilisational roots, the Indus Valley civilisation, sapta sindhu and gandhara, that were based exclusively in our land, and each were related to civilisations of bactria, unrelated to the people of the gangetic plains. We had our own empires, the Kushan, indo scythian, indo Greek, turk shahi empires.

I have made a discord server based on the fact that the lands of the Indus were always completely distinct, sovereign civilisation and west facing rather than part of a 20th century concept of the Indian subcontinent, and it was consistently seen like this by people like Ibn Batuta, Hyecho, Al-Masudi, Al-Idirisi and Ibn khordadbeh. From the times of the Greeks to the Islamic golden age, the Thar Desert was seen as the barrier between East and west.

If you want to learn the reality of our history that is hidden from us by modern text books, join my discord here:

https://discord.gg/qxr73KCqt

If you have questions, comment or DM me.

Almost none of you know the real history of Pakistan and the Indus region.

The history most of you know is false. All the education system of the country is inherited from British colonial times, who created the concept of the Indian subcontinent to create a stable colony. In reality, the Indus region, known as Sindh before the British and Mughal eras, was always known to be distinct from India and in fact, it was for all of history seen as closer to its western neighbours than to its eastern neighbours. The opinions of the people visiting were not based on nothing, culturally, the regions of modern day Pakistan and Eastern Afghanistan functioned as one unit, and they were separated from India by the thar desert, which most people and empires never dared to cross. The thar desert acted as a hard stop that made the Indus region isolated from the rest of India. How our history is told today is heavily shaped by the British and Mughal eras that were a small blink of an eye compared to the long history of our land, and because of a certain obsessed people of the east who want to claim us so bad.

We literally had our own civilisational roots, the Indus Valley civilisation, sapta sindhu and gandhara, that were based exclusively in our land, and each were related to civilisations of bactria, unrelated to the people of the gangetic plains. We had our own empires, the Kushan, indo scythian, indo Greek, turk shahi empires.

I have made a discord server based on the fact that the lands of the Indus were always completely distinct, sovereign civilisation and west facing rather than part of a 20th century concept of the Indian subcontinent, and it was consistently seen like this by people like Ibn Batuta, Hyecho, Al-Masudi, Al-Idirisi and Ibn khordadbeh. From the times of the Greeks to the Islamic golden age, the Thar Desert was seen as the barrier between East and west.

If you want to learn the reality of our history that is hidden from us by modern text books, join my discord here:

https://discord.gg/qxr73KCqt

Almost none of you know the real history of Pakistan and the Indus region.

The history most of you know is false. All the education system of the country is inherited from British colonial times, who created the concept of the Indian subcontinent to create a stable colony. In reality, the Indus region, known as Sindh before the British and Mughal eras, was always known to be distinct from India and in fact, it was for all of history seen as closer to its western neighbours than to its eastern neighbours. The opinions of the people visiting were not based on nothing, culturally, the regions of modern day Pakistan and Eastern Afghanistan functioned as one unit, and they were separated from India by the thar desert, which most people and empires never dared to cross. The thar desert acted as a hard stop that made the Indus region isolated from the rest of India. How our history is told today is heavily shaped by the British and Mughal eras that were a small blink of an eye compared to the long history of our land, and because of a certain obsessed people of the east who want to claim us so bad.

We literally had our own civilisational roots, the Indus Valley civilisation, sapta sindhu and gandhara, that were based exclusively in our land, and each were related to civilisations of bactria, unrelated to the people of the gangetic plains. We had our own empires, the Kushan, indo scythian, indo Greek, turk shahi empires.

I have made a discord server based on the fact that the lands of the Indus were always completely distinct, sovereign civilisation and west facing rather than part of a 20th century concept of the Indian subcontinent, and it was consistently seen like this by people like Ibn Batuta, Hyecho, Al-Masudi, Al-Idirisi and Ibn khordadbeh. From the times of the Greeks to the Islamic golden age, the Thar Desert was seen as the barrier between East and west.

If you want to learn the reality of our history that is hidden from us by modern text books, join my discord here:

https://discord.gg/qxr73KCqt

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Almost none of you know the real history of Pakistan and the Indus region.

The history most of you know is false. All the education system of the country is inherited from British colonial times, who created the concept of the Indian subcontinent to create a stable colony. In reality, the Indus region, known as Sindh before the British and Mughal eras, was always known to be distinct from India and in fact, it was for all of history seen as closer to its western neighbours than to its eastern neighbours. The opinions of the people visiting were not based on nothing, culturally, the regions of modern day Pakistan and Eastern Afghanistan functioned as one unit, and they were separated from India by the thar desert, which most people and empires never dared to cross. The thar desert acted as a hard stop that made the Indus region isolated from the rest of India. How our history is told today is heavily shaped by the British and Mughal eras that were a small blink of an eye compared to the long history of our land, and because of a certain obsessed people of the east who want to claim us so bad.

We literally had our own civilisational roots, the Indus Valley civilisation, sapta sindhu and gandhara, that were based exclusively in our land, and each were related to civilisations of bactria, unrelated to the people of the gangetic plains. We had our own empires, the Kushan, indo scythian, indo Greek, turk shahi empires.

I have made a discord server based on the fact that the lands of the Indus were always completely distinct, sovereign civilisation and west facing rather than part of a 20th century concept of the Indian subcontinent, and it was consistently seen like this by people like Ibn Batuta, Hyecho, Al-Masudi, Al-Idirisi and Ibn khordadbeh. From the times of the Greeks to the Islamic golden age, the Thar Desert was seen as the barrier between East and west.

If you want to learn the reality of our history that is hidden from us by modern text books, join my discord here: https://discord.gg/qxr73KCqt