This is since their dna similar to Jatts or Rors but with almost no AASI (5% or less). On the other hand, the Paniya would be the southern most end of South Asians
My dad's Pakistani (mainly Kashmiri as far as we know). My mum's Polish. I'm new to DNA testing, so I'm not sure how to interpret these. I also posted on r/23andme and included a photo of myself there if you're interested. Decided not to include one here because it seems like people on this sub don't do that.
They are less South Asian than Pashtuns from North Afghanistan. Punjabis and Haryanvis are genetically much closer to Awadhi Brahmins compared to Parsis.
As you can see, my sample passed with a very high p value even with Lao_hoabinhian as a source pop. So my question is, could this mean that the AASI in Indus MedAASI represents my Northwestern AASI specifically, which would equate to roughly 15% northwest/Indus valley related AASI (medAASI contains 30% AASI, 70% west eurasian farmer, so 50.4% x 0.3 = 15.12%). While the Lao_hoabinhian source represents my southern/tribal AASI, which is 40.2%
The p value goes down significantly if I use indus lowAASI or Indus highAASI, so using medAASI is the most accurate. So does this model allow me to somewhat distinguish my northwestern AASI from my southern AASI? I'm curious to hear what people think. (This my first time playing around with qpadm so any feedback is welcome)
I grew up in Malwa but my ancestors (around 4-5 generations back) migrated from Doaba. I guess my results are very typical for a northwest indian ramdasia sikh but that maternal haplogroup group was a little surprising given it's rarity (U4b1a1).
PS: My haplogroup results are from a 23&me kit, Ancestry kit had a really bad haplo SNP coverage. Other than that, both kits showed very similar results on Illustrative.
Saryupareen Brahman. Y haplogroup: R1a-Z93 Mtdna: H2a1k. My picture is in the comments down below.
So I have seen some people saying that North West Indian or Indian Punjabis eople tend to have less AASI than Pakistanis? How come so? Shouldn't AASI be less moving towards WEST where invasions from Euro- Asian populations stopped?
Can anyone provide info on this?
I haven't seen much discussion about this but I think some of them were L657. And they did leave quite a big footprint.
So, starting off:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/
Notice that most of the South Asians east of the Indus (i.e, not Pashtun) are actually from way further in India, often South and Southwest India. There is one branch which is in Haryana/Rajasthan:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FT78161/
Which is fascinating, but it splits off from a line that's also in South India.
Obviously this is because the Indo-Scythians set up kingdoms across the subcontinent, particularly in the southwest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythian_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Satraps
The northern kingdom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Satraps
But we don't see a lot of the northern lineages in consumer testing today, at least not as many as from the southwest. Which is perhaps not entirely surprising considering how successful those kingdoms were and the ensuing population boom.
It's interesting to note that even though we know when the Indo-Scythian kingdoms were established (well into the Iron Age), if you look at the branching points of their lines, some are branching early Iron Age or even late Bronze Age. These branches split up in Central Asia and then came grouped together into South Asia.
I'd wager that branching points with non-South Asians that are in the Iron Age are almost a dead giveaway, if the additional historical context is there, for Indo-Scythians. And you see plenty of these in R-L657 (often with Chinese/Kazakh/Kyrgyz/Tajik/etc). However, this is all dependent on how accurate the age estimation is.
From the limited results we have, it seems like an awful lot of the L657 lines are candidates for an Iron Age dispersal into South Asia. Curious as to others' thoughts?
Also, I believe I've found an Indo-Scythian branch here in J2b2-M241 (under M241>Z2432>Z2443>Y978):
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y958/
There are three Iron Age Saka samples under this branch visible here:
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-Z8330/tree (This is J-Y978, J-Z8300 is J-Y958)
There is a Bronze Age BMAC from Turkmenistan (I7472), Iron Age Saka from Xinjiang (Caishichang 1-2, who was found next to an R-L657 grave!), and two more Iron Age Sakas from Turkmenistan (I25913, I5091).
The branch the two Turkmenistan Sakas come off of, J-FTG27149, has a cluster found in Portuguese Azores (so, likely via Goa). There's a bunch of other Goans in other branches here as well, more than we've found in R-Z2124 to date actually. That alone (multiple Iron Age Saka genomes plus the closest South Asian relatives being upper class/mercantile Goans) is a smoking gun. And that too without the more recent Iron Age TMRCA branching points
The next major split (J-Z8316) has Chinese, Tajik, and Arab users. The two Pakistani Punjabi close relatives are Awan if anyone's curious. The subclade J-FT19403 is found in a Pakistani Pashtun (who claims a recent Afghan paternal ancestor) and then Arabs.
The other Indian samples prefixed with ERR are Vellalar. There's 3 of them.
So in this one line, it looks like a connection to both the Western and Northern Satraps. I don't think the Pashtun/Arab line was a migrant back out of India, though it's possible. But they neatly split up at 3100ybp into South Indian, Punjabi, and Afghan/Arab branches.
So this was a local South Central Asian BMAC lineage that got absorbed by Sakas and then spread around a bit.
But looking at this is a clue for what to look out for in other branches. And I'm seeing R-L657 branches with TMRCA of as recent as 2800ybp between Chinese, South Asians and Arabs. They were there the entire time right under our noses, but everyone just assumed they were completely South Asian from the Bronze Age.
I'm in J-M241 so I've been following the tree's growth for years and I remember in the early days of the YFull tree over 10 years ago, there was only J-Y960 where this branch is now and everyone thought it was a neolithic expansion into India.
EDIT:
Here's an L657 example, a candidate based on age estimates:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y16494/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-Y16494/story
https://www.theytree.com/tree/R-Y16494
In this case, FTDNA's TMRCA estimate is closer to YFull's and both are more recent than 1000 BCE. You can also view Group Time Tree from the R1a group projects.
Result of a Jharra Khas Chhetri genetics (surname Thapa Chhetri) individual from Kaski District, Central-West Nepal.
All 4 grandparents are Chhetri (Pahadi Kshatriya). AncestryDNA tested. Closest pops: rajputs from uttarakhand, nepali bahuns, pahadi uttarakhand brahmins (Brahmin Mondal), gilgit brokpas and baltis from AJK.
What would be the Farmer, Steppe, AASI breakdown? Which community do these results look like they’re from?
Do Pakistanis and Indian Punjabis have higher ANF and ZNF because of admixture with migrants from West Asia prior to arrival of migrants from Russia?
Dad is Hyderabadi Muslim, mom is North Indian? talks about how her nana had Kashmiri origins idk... Dad claims we are descendants of the Prophet Muhammad's companions
Y haplogroup PF4851 (from J1 or something like that) and mtDNA group HV2a
Always just grew up broadly "Muslim North Indian" but wanna delve more into this ancestry stuff, thanks for all the help!
Where does Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Pashto/Balochi speaking Parts of Pakistan Fit into this?
