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Is it possible that the chamaar castes of especially north and north west india were most likely higher caste in past?

Like I imagine it this way

At some point in time beef was not taboo and so these caste people would've had enjoyed a status of a vaishya in pre taboo era but as gradually beef became taboo so did these castes went down the social ladder

As they also have significant steppe component compared to other castes

This is just my speculation nothing else correct me in comments if I'm wrong

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u/Massive_Service_2318 — 21 hours ago
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How much truth is there in this tweet?

Is it just coming from seeing modern indians and self hatred(assuming the guy is from subcontinent), or are there any research that shows these things have genetic factors instead of dietary issues?

u/Opposite-Actuator925 — 23 hours ago
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Can someone help me interpret my results?

Hello,

I took ancestry dna and then uploaded my results to gedmatch and ran harrapaworld. Could someone help me interpret my resulsts?

u/bilohsh — 1 day ago
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Query about AASI

Hey guys, can someone clear my confusion about correlation of shorter height with AASI.. I am really confused as some say that people with AASI ancestry are getting taller (eg: Kerelaties) and some claim that AASI were 6 footers in anceint times but is that even correct?

Personally I have rarely found people with high AASI (based on thier looks and features) to be tall. Most of them are short asf even in North India as some believe AASI were diverse from North to South.

I live in Gangetic plains and we are from high caste background and i went to my village a few days back where i found a lot of lower castes people who seemed very high in AASI and they had relatively similar statures and heights averaging between 5'4-5'6 whereas in high caste families, i saw a lot of variations with people having 5'5 heights as well to 5'11+. Btw all mentioned heights are for males.

So given all this info, is there really a pattern or is it just because of historical malnutrition/famines and low protein diet?

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u/as_legit333 — 1 day ago
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Run yourself on this QpAdm-like G25 Model

Hey everyone, I came across this g25 model that aims to mimic qpAdm results. Does it seem accurate?

Sources:

Steppe:Russia_Srubnaya_Alakul.SG:Median_scaled,0.124067,0.1040915,0.056568,0.0841415,0.007386,0.031933,0.0055225,0.003346,-0.0224975,-0.030798,-0.003004,-0.0005245,-0.0026015,-0.0173405,0.0259905,0.01306,-0.005802,-0.0006965,0.0051535,0.00494,0.0016845,0.001855,0.0049295,0.0074105,0.0014965
Steppe:Kazakhstan_Dali_MLBA(1750.BC-1393.BC.n=3),0.12217,0.076503,0.049277,0.090978,-0.011899,0.029841,-0.005248,0.002923,-0.025088,-0.041186,0.003031,-0.000649,-0.001933,-0.022249,0.024972,0.006453,-0.010778,0.005068,0.002514,0.001917,-0.005573,0.00404,0.007559,0.006507,-0.003074
Steppe:Kazakhstan_Andronovo(1489.BC.n=1),0.112685,0.093429,0.064111,0.069445,-0.005539,0.029005,0.014336,0.006231,-0.01718,-0.028976,0.010068,0.003147,-0.008325,-0.021607,0.021715,0.008618,-0.007953,0.006461,-0.005028,-0.004002,-0.000873,0.007048,0.003328,0.016147,-0.000838
Steppe:Kazakhstan_MLBA_OyDzhaylau(1745.BC-1475.BC.n=6),0.122739,0.091567,0.059145,0.086295,-0.00159,0.031515,-0.000705,0.003961,-0.015544,-0.032043,0.000514,-0.002672,0.002131,-0.02624,0.021376,0.020618,0.001348,-0.00171,0.001047,0.000417,-0.008631,0.002885,0.004273,0.009801,-0.004231
AASI:S_AASI_Sim:Hakkipikki,-0.017354205,-0.304894303,-0.268679085,0.181329575,-0.039351991,0.073271504,-0.022843875,0.037359828,0.187881353,0.126707043,-0.010024877,-0.004718921,0.008198494,0.036303194,-0.056184046,-0.072647447,-0.011352189,0.00825265,0.004209097,0.038425578,0.00661663,0.026988706,0.007609686,0.01678573,-0.009232161
AASI:S_AASI_Sim:Mala,0.003619659,-0.232207345,-0.238759358,0.177803307,-0.049846413,0.074427442,-0.013528674,0.028614532,0.145189154,0.099856405,-0.009629229,-0.007501248,0.004294371,0.024294913,-0.044886968,-0.038569947,0.008810692,-0.004591174,-0.004761423,0.029743743,0.014289671,0.018672895,0.00018522,0.016546395,-0.013074696
AASI:S_AASI_Sim:Pulliyar,-0.004810655,-0.212137156,-0.203515802,0.148876368,-0.031558109,0.053539852,-0.011510205,0.024112889,0.125139446,0.089041726,0.000713882,-0.003792554,-0.000836537,0.024717049,-0.049653257,-0.032409686,0.023256422,0.001963602,0.003977382,0.044586008,0.007150366,0.028673754,-0.011179757,0.016897181,-0.011729691
AASI:S_AASI_Sim:Irula,-0.009525226,-0.239836772,-0.208951108,0.15454375,-0.020718969,0.056088654,-0.012872771,0.020823205,0.131311868,0.088651109,0.000283925,-0.001321365,0.001259261,0.018812454,-0.040159185,-0.037173939,0.01966007,-0.002000181,-0.002444666,0.043405215,0.009660745,0.021705468,-0.00888917,0.013704877,-0.009439234
AASI:North_West,0.05350728,-0.17811427,-0.28271832,0.26835323,-0.10850006,0.07172936,0.01546451,0.03723259,0.21186877,0.1771208,0.0226668,0.0560092,-0.02103283,0.02956412,-0.12303728,-0.14159725,0.02921862,0.04090035,-0.04161562,0.02184833,0.0816503,-0.059364,0.05498364,-0.04067533,-0.02516944
AASI:AASI_North,0.00963832,-0.22142592,-0.25101047,0.20700565,-0.07321572,0.10921577,0.00789175,0.03891915,0.147141,0.12174285,-0.01706456,0.0138743,-0.02416641,0.03534626,-0.01860874,-0.04485596,0.03348487,0.00330606,-0.01193263,0.02780748,0.00906849,0.00048198,-0.00107838,0.01959068,-0.03209499
AASI:AASI_South,0.00275558,-0.21172637,-0.20507535,0.16364539,-0.03427554,0.06580224,-0.00790216,0.02927104,0.1315089,0.09542652,-0.00310936,0.00015816,-0.00532962,0.02403386,-0.04474331,-0.04010254,0.02371038,0.00205242,-0.00052311,0.04382888,0.00736782,0.02477185,-0.00992594,0.01865775,-0.01669652
Farmer:Turkmenistan_C_Parkhai(3500.BC-2974.BC.n=4),0.073985,0.087843,-0.135009,0.010174,-0.112021,0.025379,0.009048,-0.001962,-0.084315,-0.049933,-0.000893,0.002473,-0.005687,-0.009358,0.023683,0.030363,-0.010887,0.005289,0.008233,-0.026325,0.003993,-0.019908,-0.002588,-0.022322,0.010688
Farmer:Uzbekistan_Bustan_BA(1795.BC-1450.BC.n=6),0.082332,0.080227,-0.114645,0.005922,-0.093351,0.019522,0.008343,-0.002038,-0.058358,-0.036356,0.001651,-0.000225,0.003766,-0.006101,0.01036,0.02212,-0.008627,0.002893,0.007731,-0.021114,-0.001206,-0.01218,-0.003759,-0.019943,0.007464
Farmer:Turkmenistan_Gonur_BA_1(2250.BC-1800.BC.n=12),0.079487,0.079042,-0.111439,0.00821,-0.098608,0.021521,0.007618,-0.005865,-0.063539,-0.040669,-0.003045,0.002186,-0.005067,-0.006572,0.018322,0.025844,-0.005248,0.0,0.004777,-0.023459,-0.002839,-0.0132,-0.001407,-0.016026,0.010368
Farmer:Turkey_Hatay_Alalakh_MLBA(1939.BC-1387.BC.n=37),0.095088,0.147307,-0.060757,-0.089733,-0.016743,-0.032992,0.000146,-0.006499,-0.003068,0.011964,0.006803,-0.003629,0.007252,0.004709,-0.010076,0.004945,-0.000877,0.002078,0.005164,-0.002021,0.000543,0.004291,-0.004184,-0.00214,0.001259
Farmer:Syria_TellQarassa_Umayyad(715.AD-717.AD.n=2),0.068293,0.155376,-0.055059,-0.127909,-0.000461,-0.056615,-0.018683,-0.012577,0.06514,0.007289,0.018593,-0.028924,0.069053,0.004473,0.01079,0.023004,-0.035269,-0.003864,0.00088,0.034516,0.020713,0.007234,-0.007086,0.003012,-0.01443
Farmer:Lebanon_ERoman(34.BC-146.AD.n=4),0.084514,0.142936,-0.055908,-0.092378,-0.018004,-0.032142,-0.002526,-0.005019,0.008436,0.011025,0.009378,-0.010453,0.019289,-0.001789,-0.012521,0.01601,0.011441,-0.002629,-0.000472,0.000782,0.00393,0.004792,-0.004067,0.004157,-0.003682
Farmer:Turkmenistan_C_Geoksyur:Average_scaled,0.0799797,0.0774511,-0.1144183,0.023579,-0.1069942,0.0282052,0.0119229,-0.0067383,-0.0807324,-0.052472,-0.0026957,-0.0005295,-0.0037759,-0.0124412,0.0242216,0.0298505,-0.0069974,0.0042905,0.0052709,-0.0214854,-0.0017053,-0.0145498,-0.0017008,-0.0221074,0.0097793
EA&SEA:NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP,0.012521,-0.410274,-0.011691,-0.031331,0.017542,0.011435,0.00658,0.011999,0.010022,0.021139,-0.081194,-0.006444,0.010109,-0.004679,-0.011401,0,0.011213,-0.001267,-0.009302,0.009379,0.004991,0.029306,0.004314,0.003615,0.031734
EA&SEA:MNG_Slab_Grave_EIA_1,0.0305427,-0.4249989,0.0834694,-0.0222062,-0.0772452,-0.0480622,0.0137874,0.0206529,0.0132601,0.0156721,-0.0286208,-0.0003621,-0.0007187,-0.004771,-0.0016172,-0.0019006,-0.0015321,-0.0014042,0.0019484,0.0155909,-0.0243426,0.0001546,-0.0196272,-0.0035748,0.0033928
EA&SEA:MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave,0.0247883,-0.4316,0.0744604,-0.0324077,-0.0641144,-0.0424223,0.0110716,0.0203838,0.0101353,0.0177378,-0.0425639,-0.0023647,-0.000165,0.0003823,4.51e-05,-0.0017383,0.0008403,-0.0046594,-0.0001953,0.0198567,-0.0247064,-0.0017723,-0.0200073,-0.0059041,0.0012639
EA&SEA:Mongolia_LBA_Khovsgol_6,0.0489439,-0.3287495,0.0815837,0.0202952,-0.0754329,-0.0278891,-0.0009269,-0.0007692,0.0017952,-0.0056088,-0.0174838,-0.0034053,0.0043854,-0.0193283,0.0049161,0.0007808,-0.0025426,-0.0003096,0.0015921,0.0139651,-0.0329973,0.0060039,-0.0079768,-0.0051211,0.0003392
EA&SEA:Laos_LN_BA.SG,0.003415,-0.403165,-0.085606,-0.035853,0.15049,0.075858,-0.00141,-0.013615,-0.007976,-0.019681,0.088826,0.004796,-0.01115,0.011423,0.004614,-0.005701,-0.004172,0.000127,-0.002891,0.027138,-0.018592,0.021021,-0.011585,-0.000843,0.039996
EA&SEA:Vietnam_N(1999.BC-1808.BC.n=2),0.001707,-0.385902,-0.064299,-0.034723,0.131563,0.056754,0.00188,-0.011076,-0.013703,-0.014944,0.069665,0.001649,-0.004386,0.000757,0.015133,-0.00484,0.000652,6.3e-05,-0.003708,0.014507,-0.002745,0.006121,0.002465,-0.007652,0.03353
u/NewElderberry3 — 2 days ago
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People of the Indus... WAKE UP.

The Indus region consists of modern Pakistan, Kashmir and eastern afghanistan. it's eastern boundary is marked by the thar desert and in the north the sutlej and beas rivers.

is a common belief today that the Indus region is a crucial part of the Indian subcontinent and south Asia. This whole concept is heavily flawed, and I will explain why.

It

South asia is defined as a region that has shared history, culture, linguistics, geology and civilisational roots, and it is isolated from the rest of eurasia because of it being surrounded by mountain ranges and the monsoon rains are also a defining feature.

The Indus region has little shared history with South asia. It has a 6000 year history, and only 500 it has spent united with or under the same influences as South asia.

During our earliest period, the Indus Valley civilisation, we had urban cities, trade with mesopotamia, standardised weights and measures, a script, while India was just a forest of cavemen.

We remained a separate cultural zone after the fall of the Indus Valley civilisation and the beginning of the "vedic" period. The vedic religion practised in our land, sapta sindhu, was nothing like the religion that developed much later in India after some tribes from our region migrated there, became the ruling elite, and established a different religion with different values, gods, social structure and identity.

We remained isolated from south Asia by the thar desert, and the sutlej and beas rivers marked the end of our land, beyond which the terrain changed and farming was not possible until the Persian wheel was invented. We wore stitched clothes, footwear, headwear, had entirely different beard and hairstyles. The Indian subcontinent wore drapes, mostly barefoot and without headwear. We never practised the same religion as them, with the vedic religion first being dominant in our land and then maga saurism and mahayana Buddhism becoming dominant alongside zoroastrian presence, while hinduism and other types of Buddhism remained dominant in the ganges plains.

For most of our history we were ruled by empires expanding from the west, which heavily influenced our culture. Our gandharan art was much more similar to greco roman art than to Indian art, our clothing was more similar to the persians, bactrians and sogdians and even our languages were closer to Eastern Iranian languages because of having much more contact with them, while having a different ancestor from both Indian and iranian languages. Labels like Prakrit and apabhramsa and sanskrit literally couldn't apply to us because we didn't have different elite and spoken languages.

We were a tribal, pastoralist and semi nomadic and wheat farming society, while the ganges was an agrarian settled rice farming society dominated by the rigid varna caste system. We were heavy meat eaters and wine drinkers while both of these were absent in the ganges. The soma ritual which was a central part of our vedic religion ceased to exist in the Hinduism that developed in the ganges. Our terrain was dry, steppe like characterised by doabs, while the ganges plain was a dense humid jungle.

The ganges remained isolated from the rest of eurasia while we remained a crucial part of it, we dominated the silk road and spread mahayana Buddhism to central and east Asia. Our empires, the Kushan, indo scythian and indo Greek empires were eurasian superpowers. We saw continuous migrations from the Iranian plateau and Central asia. Our trade was concentrated with the west, not the east. Students from around eurasia came to taxila to study. We wrote in the kharosthi script, not brahmi. We remained genetically more similar to populations in Central and Eastern Iran and Central asia and still are. They say half of the Indus region lays on the Indian plate. Even though by area, most of it lays in the eurasian plate, the part that lays on the indian plate is increasingly recognised as a micro plate or a transition zone between the eurasian and Indian plates.

Even now, I'm sure many of you have seen, we are literally still genetically closer to eastern persians, tajiks, western afghanistan populations than to the average north indian. The eastern iranian populations we were genetically close to are now assimilated into turkic peoples who we are distant from, but remnants like the yaghnobi people and western afghans are genetically closer to us than the average indian is. Before the turkic expansion, we were genetically closer to central asians than to indians.

I have made a discord community for those who believe the Indus region was always it's own separate west facing civilisation, those who do, you can join from this link:

https://discord.gg/qxr73KCqt

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u/Traditional_Soft923 — 3 days ago
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Ancestral Genome: Hindu Gujarati Brahmin ( Shirmali Brahmin and Saraswat)

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u/Loud_Maintenance7170 — 2 days ago
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Pakistani AJK - Gujjar Ancestral Genome

My grandad's brother's result

AncestralGenome via AncestryDNA

Y-DNA: LM-27

u/aTTa662 — 3 days ago
▲ 3 r/SouthAsianAncestry

Guys, i need help.

I have ordered myheritage kit in Mumbai through Amazon and activated it. I enquired in DHL express and they are saying that since it is a biological sample, they cannot send it. Please help me guys. If anyone has done testing in Mumbai, how did you send the same to Texas Lab of myheritage DNA?

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u/sushrut1632 — 3 days ago
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My paternal family is Indian Christian from Bangalore. My surname is Telugu, and I was told they were Kshatriyas before their conversion. Where can I find more information about them?

There is not much information about Telugu Kshatriyas, and I have never met a Telugu Christian outside of my family (most Indian Christians, at least in Canada, are Konkanis or Syrians). They converted during British rule from Hinduism and intermarried with other Indian Christians in Bangalore such as Mangaloreans. I only found some information on Telugu Kshatriyas on Wikipedia, but it claims my specific clan's identity is speculative, so I'm not sure what to go on.

If this helps, my grandfather's family were primarily industrialists and engineers.

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u/NewmarketHero007 — 4 days ago