r/AndrewGosden

I hope this does not come across as disrespectful or inappropriate but I was watching some old UK game shows on YouTube and was watching an episode of Bring on the Wall I think from 2008/2009 and somebody in the audience made me think straight away "blimey this person looks like Andrew Gosden" although it more than likely isn't but I hope it's okay if I share this on here ? If it's not appropriate for this group you/I can take it down.

Hi everyone,
I was browsing the Doe Network and came across an unidentified person case that caught my attention. I know this is an absolute long shot and there are some immediate, major contradictions, but given how long Andrew has been missing, I wanted to see what the community thinks or if this case has been discussed and ruled out before.
The Doe Network text states:
"Human remains recovered within a barn in a wooded area. The male had good dental care at a younger age but poor dental health in later life. He had a narrow face, with a possible overbite. Testing revealed a potential link to southern/south-eastern France, western Switzerland or Corsica. The male spoke good English in a French accent and possibly had a military background. The male was rough sleeping and may have been doing so for some time. According to witnesses identified in 2019, the man claimed that he had once worked as a gardener for Catherine Deneuve and may have possibly been heading to Ireland or ultimately Canada. He may have also been hard of hearing in one ear (from his time in the military)."
Points of potential comparison:
Face/Teeth: Andrew had a narrow face, and a potential overbite lines up with his facial structure. The "good dental care at a younger age" could align with his upbringing.

Ear: Andrew is known to be completely deaf in his left ear. The Doe listing mentions the man was hard of hearing in one ear.
South Yorkshire Police

Major discrepancies/Why it might be a stretch:
Language & Origin: The Doe spoke English with a French accent and had DNA/testing links to France/Switzerland. Andrew was from South Yorkshire and spoke with a native British accent. For this to be him, he would have had to completely fake or adopt an accent, along with a fabricated backstory about working in France as a gardener.
Wikipedia

Military Background: The Doe was suspected to have a military background, which Andrew obviously did not have prior to disappearing at age 14.

I know the French background makes this incredibly unlikely, but I wanted to sanity-check this with people who know the finer details of Andrew's case. Has this specific Doe ever been looked at or officially excluded?

Interesting article I found about Andrew's case and London's water systems.

For those who think Andrew may have accidentally ended up in water, I found it really interesting. It's about London's hidden waterways and how much of the city exists out of sight beneath the surface.

I'm not saying this is what happened, but reading it made me realise just how complex London is and how many rivers, canals and inaccessible areas most people never think about.

One of the reasons the case is so haunting is that we have CCTV of Andrew arriving at King's Cross and then nothing afterwards. Whenever the water theory is discussed, people often imagine the Thames, but this article reminded me there are countless other waterways and hidden spaces throughout London.

Again, this isn't evidence and I'm not trying to push a particular theory. I just found it interesting to compare it to Andrew's case and wondered whether anyone else who leans towards the accidental death/water theory had similar thoughts after reading it.

Curious to hear other people's opinions.

Below is the Information I came across concerning a body that was found in 2015. There are various things here which make me think it's not Andrew but theres something about the face shape, the hair etc and the things he was found with that flagged my attention. At the same time they couldn't determine whether he was 30 or 70 and if someone is living on the streets and getting by through any means necessary then the individual may look older than they actually are. Therefore I'm hesitant to believe they knew his age at all. There are various things that do stand out to me; the magnifying glasses, which would suggest he needed glasses but chooses not to wear them (Why?) and then there's the music connection. I highly doubt it's Andrew but I thought it would encourage further discussion. If Andrew did live under the radar then he may have found himself working in incredibly difficult environments, jobs that illegal immigrants would normally work, it would have been a hard life and if anything had happened to him, his death would not have been reported.

At around 10:40am on the 10th of August 2015 the body of a White European male was discovered by a farmer on the salt marshes on the River Lune estuary near to Glasson Dock. Not much more is known about the circumstances surrounding the Glasson dock man’s discovery.

With the Glasson Dock man’s clothing it kind of reminds me of a night security guard and the fact he has a jacket with ‘Northern Profile Security Services’ motif on left chest area it really does give the impression this man was on a security shift. It may not be for Northern Profile Security Services as this may have just been a spare piece of clothing used for the job or maybe the Glasson Dock man worked for the company in the past and was on a new job? He also wore a black pair of “Derri” style boots which I doubt would be great for long travels. He wore an adidas burgundy beanie hat and a chequered shirt in a size small, assuming this fit the Glasson Dock man I would say it’s safe to assume he may be of slim build.

Derri style boots

Burgundy Adidas beanie hat

He also had a red and green woollen jumper, I cannot make out the motif on the front of the jumper but if you have any guesses let me know in the comments below.

Red and blue woollen jumper

The Jackets

The Two Jackets seem somewhat appropriate for working close to water or maybe outdoors. The  Northern Profile Security Services motif on one of the jackets are a small lead but not much information on  Northern Profile Security Services is found on companies house. I did find a post relating to this company on webslueths where an individual was searching for the Glasson dock man’s identity.

Northern Profile Security Limited waterproof jacket

Waterproof coat

The Magnifying Glasses

The two magnifying glasses could have been used to see keyholes for the keys the Glasson Dock man had or maybe he had issues seeing smaller writing but did not have glasses? He seemed to have needed more than one just in case, but why is still unknown.

Chequered Shirt

Movie Lover, Music Lover or Both

We know the Glasson dock man also had a plastic card holder containing 2 pieces of card believed to be from ‘Uncut’ magazine with song titles and a list of written film titles on the white reverse. I would be highly interested to know what that list would have been. It would provide extra context to talk about when making appeals for this case. This man does seem somewhat old school and maybe on the older end of the scale of 30 – 70 years old. Maybe he really liked movie sound tracks and had recently been given a list of some good titles or maybe he was out to buy someone these movies or songs for a present.

in a quote from Lancashire Guardian in 2016 DS Simon Ball from Lancaster CID said: “While we do not believe there are any suspicious circumstances to this man’s death, he has not yet been formally identified and we are appealing to the public for their help. If anyone recognises the man’s description or has any information about who he might be I would urge them to get in touch with us. We are keen to identify who this man is so that we can track down any family members and inform them of his death.”

Laid to Rest

Karen Leytham, Cabinet member for environmental health, said: “It is always very sad when officers are called upon to arrange public burials, knowing that a person has died without the comfort of having family and friends to look out for them and help fulfil their final wishes.

“Even so, our officers deal with each case with utmost tact and diplomacy, working with other parties including the mortuary service, landlord or care home to conclude matters efficiently but with dignity.

“It is hoped on this occasion, that a last minute appeal to find anyone who knew the gentleman will see someone come forward on Thursday to pay their last respects.”

A public funeral was arranged for the unidentified man at 9.30am on Thursday, March 3, at Torrisholme Cemetery, Westgate, Morecambe. Representatives from Lancaster City Council were also in attendance.

Pre-mortem Injuries: None

Post-mortem Injuries: None

Case number: Case 15-004961

Type: Body

Gender: Male

Age range: 30 – 70

Ethnicity: White European

Height: 5ft 6ins

Build: slim

Date found:
10 August 2015

Circumstances:
A male body was found on the salt marshes on the River Lune estuary near to Glasson Dock.

Cause of Death: Unknown

Possessions:

Black wallet, 2 keys similar to Yale lock types, JML credit card sized magnifying glass and a plastic card holder containing 2 pieces of card believed to be from ‘Uncut’ magazine with song titles and a list of written film titles on the white reverse.

Town: Glasson Dock

Locality: River Lune estuary

County: Lancashire, England

Police force: Lancashire constabulary

Hair type: Collar Length

Hair colour: Brown

Facial Hair: none

Eye colour (left): Unknown

Eye colour (right): Unknown

Case information: n/a

Distinguishing features: None

Clothing:

• Footwear – Boots – Unknown – ‘Derri’ boots
• Headwear – Woolly hat – Unknown – Burgundy beanie hat, ‘Adidas’ motif on front
• Jacket – Hooded – Unknown – ‘Highpoint’ waterproof hooded jacket, small size
• Jacket – Uniform – Unknown – ‘Northern Profile Security Services’ motif on left chest area
• Jumper – Sweater – Unknown – red and green/blue woollen jumper
• Shirt/blouse – Shirt – Checked – small size

Jewellery: None

Body Parts: n/a

Bone Details: none

DNA: No information available

Dentals: No information available

Fingerprints: No information available

Toxicology: No information available

The Glasson Dock Man – Planet Unidentified