r/CanadianAwardTravel

Avion rewards is worse than cashback!

TLDR at the bottom.

Used AI to make my ramblings shorter and concise but completely my own experience.

My last post called Avion a scam, which was frivolous — I was mid-way through booking a family return flight to China, Avion let me down badly, and I ended up dumping my points into RRSP/TFSA transfers and cancelling the card for a fee refund.

Why Avion loses to cashback:

1. Fixed points redemptions are rigged by the fare breakdown. 100,000 points for $2,000 off base fare sounds great until you look at real fares. Jan–Mar 2027 non-stop to Hong Kong on Cathay: $1,600 base, $800 surcharges. China Southern to Guangzhou: $1,100 base, $700 surcharges. Same pattern for Europe and Africa — low base, high surcharge. If the split weren't deliberate, why not just have one redeemable ticket price? To anyone claiming fixed beats flex: name one flight where fixed beats flex before you comment sometimes fixed beats flex!

2. Without fixed redemptions, you're on flex at 100 pts = $1 — matching a 1% cashback card, except worse, because not every airline is bookable through Avion. RBC advertises "over 500 carriers" and publishes no list. Air China (China's flag carrier) isn't bookable, online or by phone — and it had the cheapest direct option for me at $1,400 to Beijing. So my points were worth nothing on the best flight available.

3. RRSP/TFSA transfers are 120 pts = $1, worse than 1% cashback. Promos occasionally hit 100:1, but Avion cards start at $120/year — versus free 1% cards everywhere.

4. Transfer partners don't fix it. Cathay was $2,400 direct to HKG; China Southern $1,800 to CAN, an hour from Hong Kong by high-speed rail. Transferring your balance on a promo locks you into a narrow set of carriers that may not be the cheapest route to where you're going. Plus, it is more hoops to jump through, more reliance on promotion timings for both points transfer and air fare discounts.

TLDR:
Skip Avion, get a flat cashback card. Cashback wins the large majority of the time, and the rare cases where Avion wins require hoops, luck, and perfect timing.

If RBC gives you points (mortgage, etc.), if you are willing to pay the $120 annual fee, value them at 120 pts = $1 cash, or 100 pts = $1 for travel — otherwise its 172 pts = $1.

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u/zhumxc123 — 3 days ago

Avion points for Japan vacation

We have 300k Avion points. I’m looking at tickets from Toronto to Tokyo (return Osaka to Toronto) - 3 adults. July 2027. I’m using the fixed price grid and finding Air Canada return tickets for 100k points + $1100 in fees/taxes.

When I check the AC website*, same flight is $922 base fare + $1100 in fees/taxes. So that’s a redemption rate of 100k Avion points for $922 in air fare. Pretty abysmal.
* far more flight options on the AC website that aren’t showing on the Avion travel page

What am I doing wrong/missing? Is there a way to get more from my Avion points? Should I just pay cash for the airfare and save the points for hotels? Although I’m not sure the redemption rate will be any better.

ps More and more I am realizing the Avion redemption rates even on their fixed grid is not a lot of value. I can probably do better on a 2% cash back card. :(

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u/Ok-Yam-6765 — 4 days ago

Avion rewards for flights is a scam!

Any airline? No Air China, I'm sure there are many other airline providers that are excluded as well.

Not worth the pain.

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u/zhumxc123 — 8 days ago

Best use of Avion points to French Polynesia

So I have approximately 250000 Avion points. Our initial vacation plans was to fly to the Maldives, so I was going to transfer my points to be able to book on Qatar Airlines. We have since changed our minds and wish to go to Bora Bora instead.

Am I correct in stating that there really isn't a great use of Avion points to transfer to another points program for flights or even Hotel points for this trip?

Any recommendation for the best use of our points.

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u/cegmar — 9 days ago

Avion to avios points

I’m new to figuring out how to get the best out of my points and saw the recent 30% deal with BA just passed. Is there any chance there will be another one this year? I think i’d be able to get up to around 130,000 avios points. Im not really looking to fly business just hoping for 2 economy yvr to lhr to be covered for next may.

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u/Pure-Medicine-3003 — 13 days ago

Best use of avion points?

Hi everyone! I recently learned about the transfer program that BA has available. I bank with RBC and have ~130k avion points. I want to book a flight from YWG to HEL for next February and was wondering if you lovely people have some tips/tricks for using points? Totally new to using points for travel.

I'm aware that there is no direct flight from YWG to HEL, so I was thinking maybe a flight from YWG to FRA makes the most sense using points, then pay for a ryanair flight to HEL? Please help!!

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u/xoxo-vio — 13 days ago