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Was Himeno's sacrifice worth it?

(Spoiler just in case someone hasn't gotten to episode 9 yet)

I just finished episode 8 and barely started 9. And something right at the start of episode 9 is kinda bugging me. First off Himeno was a great character and this totally could be cope but right after Aki looks at her body and it's gone we see a lone ghost hand rev Denji's engine and he wakes up. So my question is why didn't she try this before sacrificing herself? And was it her or the ghost devil that decided to wake Denji up?

I ask that second part because I could understand it if she didn't know that would work. But also in the arc before it with the Eternity devil we see her do the same thing. Was it just a desperate "oh shit my mans is gonna die gotta do something now" or was it just a lapse in judgement?

Loving the show so far and will prolly read the manga once I watch the movie, but honestly her sacrifice feels kinda worthless if she could've just woken up Denji without having to "give everything".

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u/egshelll — 7 hours ago

This is why the Violence Devil is the strongest (please dont delete this🙏)

I have a psychological theory that proves why the Violence Devil should actually be the strongest Devil in Chainsaw Man. If we look at the psychology of fear, the manga's logic changes completely:
**The Double Seal Argument:**Galgali is the only Devil who had to be nerfed twice by Public Safety. First, he became a Fiend. Second, he had to wear a poison mask to control his destructive power. His raw base potential is terrifying.
Darkness vs. Violence: People are not afraid of the dark itself; they are afraid of what happens in the dark. Darkness is just a location. Without the fear of Violence (being attacked or hurt), the dark would pose no threat. Violence is the root of the Primal Fear of Darkness.
Death vs. Violence: Death is often a release. Violence is worse because you can keep someone alive and inflict endless pain, torture, and agony for hours. The fear of being helpless and suffering extreme violence is psychologically far more terrifying than a quick death.
**The Ultimate Power Loop:**Every single Devil that inflicts harm (using swords, bombs, or cosmic magic) is ultimately practicing Violence. Therefore, the Violence Devil should be the king and origin of all destructive concepts.
By this logic, an unsealed Violence Devil in his true form would be absolutely invincible!

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u/Wrong_Address82 — 5 days ago

Pochita is the Puberty Devil. The manga is about Coming of Age.

\-Through out the whole story, Denji never seems to be able to "character develop" or "stop thinking with his dick" but the problem is no matter how much you know and how smart or experienced you are, you cant character develop out of hormones and the desires that come with them. Denji breaks down in the train part because he doesnt understand this so just like the fans he is mad/dissapointed in himself.

\-Pochita coming out at Denji's lowest points represents the destructive and uncontrolable meltdowns that come with unstableness of puberty.

\-Around the time they fuse matches up with the beginning of puberty.

\-Denji getting chainsaw powers represents the adult responsibilities and the hardships that come with it. He now has a duty to protect those around him.

\-Because he is now powerful/capable, there are predators around him wanting to harness his usefulness for their bidding, more on the next point.

\-Makima represents the workforce and society, using his desires and needs like food, sex, socialization and self actualization to manipulate him to serve the government's needs.

\-His dynamic with Power that starts off as something as pure sexual and beneficial, later in the post darkness devil arc leans more into the concept of putting aside your selfish desires to protect those that need you. In an earlier point if they were naked in the bath together, Denji would have felt incredibly horny but by that point he is putting his adultish responsibility of "protecting someone who is in utter terror and need of help" above his irresponsible sex drive.

\-Eating things to make them disappear from life represent the ability to decide with what/who and how you live your life. An adult may chose to cut someone or something out of their lives with their decisions like moving away after which they can 100% pretend that thing never existed. also joke about being more hungry overall.

\-In the final chapter, Denji is so void of everything because he doesnt have any of those things that would drive him.

**More about the ending and how it all ties in with the concept of coming of age:**

Fujimoto showed the moments which would have been the monumental to somebody's life except there aren't any hardships anymore so all of it feels pointless.

Many fans wished that Makima never existed so that she could never abuse Denji but then he wouldn't have gained the things he did by breaking free from her chains.

If power never died, she could not have served as a catalyzer to his wake up. You only act to stop the pain after it becomes severe and for a pain to become severe you have to get hurt severely. That wake up was also really important in his development as he learned how he needs to be his independent person which we saw through out the entirity of part 2 with him breaking out of the 2 binary choices

Many wished for Nayuta's survival but for that she would have to be in a more secure position where she wasn't Denji's responsibility but taking care of her contributed so much to his development even though he failed due to his inexperience and teenage angst/hardship/hormones/dificulty of acting properly during confusion of puberty. We can see that in his emotional distress when he comes to his senses after moments of uncontrollable meltdown.

Fujimoto is trying to show you even though the bad things in your life might have hurt you a lot, you are now a lot better because you got through them by showing you Denji's dogshit boring life without the detrimental things he lived.

You had to see someone you befriended and sympathized with end up stripped of their individuality and with out any of the things they fought so hard for and stranger to most of the people they loved growing up, you wouldn't want that happening to you after going through so many troubles of coming of age. That's why the ending felt so dogshit. Because after all, HE **JUST LIKE YOU** FR! FREE **YOUR** BOY!

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u/Appy_cake — 7 days ago
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There is a big logical flaw in the Chainsaw Man series

in first picture we are seeing reze is alive

in second picture Miri Sugo aka longsword devil says you freed me denji so that means all chapter 86 devils are free and alive then why mr fujimoto dont show us reze i dont know maybe he thought if reze come back asa's main character role will be bad in that situation

if you guys know something about that can you tell me im curious ^_^

u/Select_Anxiety3 — 10 days ago

¿Qué pasaría si Pochita compartiera el cerebro con Denji, como Yoru con Asa?

Siempre he pensado que si Pochita hubiera compartido el cerebro con Denji en vez de convertirse en su corazón la historia habría sido mucho mejor para él. En la Parte 1 vemos a Denji hablando solo, como si Pochita pudiera escucharlo, pidiéndole consejos, buscando apoyo emocional… pero Pochita no puede responder. Es solo un órgano. Y esa soledad es lo que lo deja tan vulnerable.

Denji tendría por fin a alguien que lo acompañara de verdad. No para quitarle privacidad, sino para darle un punto de apoyo emocional. Pochita, cuando toma control, es más maduro que Denji. No se deja llevar por fantasías, no se obsesiona con mujeres, no cae en manipulaciones. Es directo, práctico y protector. Denji, en cambio, vive atrapado entre deseos, carencias y la necesidad desesperada de afecto. Tener a Pochita como voz interna sería un equilibrio perfecto uno impulsivo, el otro estable.

También creo que Pochita se cansaría rápido de ver lo que pasa dentro de la cabeza de Denji. Todas esas fantasías con cualquier mujer, la obsesión con Makima, la ingenuidad, la necesidad de aprobación… Pochita odia a Makima, y sentir en primera persona cómo Denji cae una y otra vez en su manipulación lo agotaría. Probablemente intervendría. Tal vez tomaría el control cuando Denji se humilla, o cuando Makima lo manipula, o cuando Denji está demasiado roto para pensar. No porque quiera dominarlo, sino porque lo ama y no soportaría verlo repetir los mismos patrones.

Cuando Pochita toma control (capítulo 97), su comportamiento basa deseos denji pero noto importa mierda makima, pochita bajo control, haría cosas sin moral .. robar helado, forzar beso boca con Makima o himeno, con reze. Que sea para denji deje estar crisis o sexual o emocional. Pochita poco importa como efecta demás.

Pochita no es humano, pero sí siente cariño. Su empatía es limitada, pero real. Y eso lo convertiría en una figura de autoridad emocional alguien que regaña, que frena, que ignora los caprichos de Denji cuando son autodestructivos. No sabría cómo “sanarlo”, pero sí sabría cuándo protegerlo. Incluso podría hacer cosas impulsivas para sacarlo de situaciones tóxicas alejarlo de Makima, cortar una fantasía antes de que lo destruya, o tomar el cuerpo para evitar que lo usen.

Por eso la frase del final “eras más feliz cuando no tenías nada”no suena cruel si la ves desde esta perspectiva. Suena a cansancio. A frustración. A un demonio que ha visto a Denji perderse en deseos que no lo llenan, en relaciones que lo destruyen, en promesas vacías. Si Pochita estuviera en su mente, esa evolución emocional sería aún más fuerte. Sería más protector, más firme, más consciente del daño que Denji se hace a sí mismo.

u/Zamavid — 10 days ago