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Is Baptism Mandatory for Following Christ? And Which Denomination Is Closest to Christian Mysticism?

I’m an ex-Buddhist who found my way to Christ and am now exploring Christianity. I’d like to join a church, both to find a Christian community and because I want a Christian burial when I die.

Is baptism mandatory for someone who wants to follow Christ? And which denomination is closest to Christian mysticism?

I’m particularly interested in traditions that emphasize direct experience of God, contemplation, inner transformation, and prayer rather than only doctrine and institutional rules.

I’d be grateful for any insights or personal experiences. Thank you!

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u/Fit-Positive-3972 — 1 day ago

New to Christian Mysticism

Hello everyone. I hope you have a good day. I'm an Orthodox Christian since my childhood and I would like to engage in Christian Mysticism. What are some essential works/books for a beginner like me? Thank you all in advance.

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The hypocrisy of demonizing other religions

A very interesting thought I had, while working out how many Christians just assume things like the occult means satanism rather than knowledge hidden from the masses. But obviously applies to Eastern religions and other Abrahamic ones as well.

Usually the logic they use to do so is the exact same that was used to codemn and kill Jesus. Jesus healed countless people drove out demons and performed many miracles. But because it didn't look exactly as the Religious leaders expected, they accused him of blasphemy, controlling demons and more horrible things. Which should sound familiar if you ever talk to some Christians about other religions.

There are people in other religions who do many of the same things as Jesus and are still demonized by many "believers". Following that same old testament sort of judgement. While forgetting the Lord himself was accused of such.

The reason things become occult "again not talking about evil and black magic" is because at times in history religions lose their minds and act just like the idiotic religious leaders of Jesus day and will excommunicate, torture, burn alive and murder very well meaning healers and others for not confirming to their very small minded ideas. As well as being a way to make sure someone is worthy before handing out very powerful information that could be used for bad purposes.

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u/Isadao — 1 day ago

Even Here, Creation Belongs

Today I found this black widow quietly resting in the web she had woven.

I found myself stopping for a while—noticing the strange beauty of something I’m instinctively taught to fear. Her web looks chaotic and impossibly delicate, yet it is remarkably strong and precisely suited to her life.

“The spider taketh hold with her hands, and is in kings’ palaces.” — Proverbs 30:28 (KJV)

A female black widow may live for a few years, spending much of that life quietly tending her web. Her venom contains α-latrotoxin, a powerful neurotoxin designed to immobilize prey. Yet she is not a creature wandering around looking for humans to harm. She would much rather remain hidden, capturing insects and playing her small but important part in keeping the ecosystem in balance.

There’s something beautiful about that.

The sacred does not reveal itself only in sunsets, flowers, and creatures we find beautiful. Sometimes it appears in the shadowed corners—in something that makes us cautious, uncomfortable, even afraid.

Perhaps contemplation is learning to look long enough that our first reaction is not our final understanding.

This little creature has her place in the great web of life, just as we do.

Even here, life is weaving.
Even here, creation belongs.
Even here, there is mystery.

u/onedesirealone — 2 days ago
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An introduction to Thomasine Christianity

Who were the Thomasines?

The Thomasines are an hypothetical community of Christians from the 2nd century AD. It's thought they originated from Syria, and were part of a broader pre-Nicene Syriac Christian tradition, although a minority of scholars support their literature being composed in Alexandria.

When the Gospel of Thomas and the Book of Thomas the Contender were first found among the codexes found at Nag Hammadi, scholars were quick to suggest Gnostic providence. However, scholars have reevaluated both the definition for Gnosticism and the Gnostic providences of different texts among the codexes, and have now suggested that the Gospel of Thomas was not originally written by Gnostics.

The Gospel of Thomas, the Book of Thomas the Contender, and the Acts of Thomas have all been suggested as texts used by an hypothetical Thomasine community. Although the first two books were found in their most complete form in Coptic, they were most likely originally written in Greek; a minority of scholars support the texts having originally been written in Syriac. The Gospel of Thomas, the core Thomasine text, has been hypothesised by Elaine Pagels, as well as members of the Jesus Seminar, to date to the 1st century. However, a majority of scholars across the Greek and Syriac camps today more confidently date the Gospel of Thomas to various points in the 2nd century.

Origin and beliefs

There is no unified theory for Thomasine scholars, and some scholars reject the idea that the Gospel of Thomas is wholly systemised. Scholars lean towards the Thomasine texts being rooted in Jewish mysticism or Sapiential traditions. Here are the most notable theories:

  • Stevan Davies was one of the earliest scholars to break away from the original consensus of Gospel of Thomas being a Gnostic text, and proposed that the text is Sapiential and non-apocalyptic. Jesus is the speaker for Wisdom, or Sophia. Many parallels can be made between Jesus' sayings and Deuterocanonical books such as Sirach and the Wisdom of Solomon. The Book of Thomas the Contender similarly shows signs of being a Sapiential text.
  • Harold Bloom argues for the Gospel of Thomas being at least Proto-Gnostic. Bloom proposes that Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas is an Anthropos, an ideal, primeval man, possibly genealogically related to the Adam Kadmon of Kabbalah; however the Antropos seems to be more anthropomorphic, literally human c.f. Naassene or Audian (both take Genesis 1:27 literally). This is potentially the root of the anti-materialism of the Gospel of Thomas: with the fall of Adam, time began and humanity was separated from the Anthropos. That would essentially make the material world contemptible, as the Thomasine Adam is contemptible, and make it a place to be escaped to return to a pre-fall human condition in union with the Anthropos and therefore in union with God. This is almost analogous to Theosis in orthodox Christianity, except Bloom's Thomasinianism rejects the incarnation, in place of Jesus being the first and ideal human, while also divine, since before time.
  • April DeConick argues against the text being originally Gnostic. Rather, she proposes that the text was written as several layers over time, going from an apocalyptic text written by a group of Syriac Jewish Christians that questioned Jamesian leadership at Jerusalem, to a more mystic text with Middle Platonist influences. The earliest layer contains the basic belief that all humans were separated from their original place in heaven, and that they may only return to their luminous form by a vision of God's Kavod, as part of early Merkabah traditions. The text may also include a unique, predestined soteriology of each person having to unite with their twin-angels (c.f. recurrent twin motifs) in heaven in order to achieve spiritual ascent: which may be genealogically linked to the idea of guardian angels in Abrahamic religions today, except in this case it's as though the person and angel are meant to be united in single hypostases.

The common ground of all the theories is that the Thomasines, in practice, were an itinerant, ascetic group, that lacked the institutionalism of Greek churches at the end of the 1st century. They also likely had Docetic tendencies. The Christology of the Gospel of Thomas is ambiguous, although potentially divine according to Bloom's theory. An Angelomorphic Christology is explicitly rejected by the text. Logion 13 is one of the most awesome and terrible sayings of the Gospel of Thomas and it's easy to make the conclusion that the Apostle of Thomas' mystic vision concluded with Jesus being YHWH, similar to the conclusion of the Merkabah vision of the Apostle Paul. However, DeConick has made a more mundane interpretation of the logion describing an early Eucharistic formula. Logion 30 is another seemingly radical saying, that at first glance seems to divide the Trinity into three separate deities. However, it is most likely, a Coptic mistransmission of the original Greek: "where there are three, they are without God," which according to Marvin Meyer is essentially Matthew 18:20 turned on its head to denounce churches or gatherings, in favour of personal, mystical experience. Robert M. Grant and David Noel Freeman also suggest that the saying was perhaps later "Gnosticised" into regarding gods, rather than just regarding human individuals.

The Thomasines seem to have ignored the biographical details of Jesus' life. In contrast to other early Syrian Christian groups, there is the real possibility of the Gospel of Thomas and the Thomasines being, to a degree, antinomian. It's debated and DeConick hypothesises if a later accretion was written in light of a dispute regarding circumcision in the community. Logion 19, also cross-referenced in the Acts of Thomas ch. 27, perhaps references the five words for mind: hauna (sanity), mad'a (reason), re'yana (mindfulness), mahshebhatha (imagination), and tar'itha (intention), further supporting the Thomasines nevertheless being part of a greater Syriac Christian tradition.

Evidence for the community

The Thomasines were never mentioned in Patristic sources explicitly. Possible Thomasine beliefs, such as Docetism, Audianism, Modalism, were individually denounced but were attributed to various heresiarchs, rather than a single Christian school or community. What unites Thomasine texts such as the Gospel of Thomas and the Acts of Thomas is also a high view of Thomas Didymus -"the twin"- and recurrent twin motifs throughout the text. The "heresies" of the Thomasines resemble that of other Christian groups from the same geographical area like the Audians, Naassenes and Elcesites.

Interestingly, key evidence for the Thomasines may be found in the New Testament itself. The Doubting Thomas narrative in the Gospel of John lacks cross-references with the other synoptic Gospels. As the story goes, Thomas struggled to believe that Jesus had literally resurrected in his flesh. It was only when Jesus made Thomas literally see and touch his wounds from the crucifixion that Thomas believed. Gregory J. Riley has hypothesised that this narrative was polemic against the Thomasines for their equivalent of Docetism. In contrast, the community or author of the Gospel of John asserted the incarnation. Even though the text may be from the 2nd century onwards, this hypothesis may put the beginning of the existence of the Thomasine community in the 1st century.

Scholars are overall somewhat affirmative of the Thomasine community. However, Simon Gathercole believes the Gospel of Thomas is dependent on the synoptic gospels and Pauline letters, making the Thomasines a much later sect than believed by the likes of Riley and DeConick. Nicholas Perrin, a proponent of the Gospel of Thomas having originally been written in Syriac, argues that the text is a redacted form of Tatian's 2nd c. Gospel harmony with Syriac literary techniques. Perrin's position makes up a minority, but it is an interesting notion, and it remains an open possibility.

The disappearance of the Thomasines

The Gospel of Thomas had a significant influence on the Valentinian school of Gnosticism. According to the newest theories that point towards the Gospel of Thomas being non-Gnostic or a Proto-Gnostic text, then Gospel of Thomas and the Acts of Thomas show signs of either Valentinian redactions, or rather signs of the community being influenced by Middle Platonists and other Gnostics. The most complete texts we have were copied and used by Gnostics.

Stephen Patterson hypothesises that the Thomasines may have struggled with Christianity's transition from being an itinerant network to institutionalised churches. Another possible cause for the disappearance and lack of records for the Thomasines is the resultant suppression of Jewish Christian sects following the Council of Nicaea. What's curious is that the Acts of Thomas became an hagiographical source for orthodox Nicene Christians in the following centuries, and post-Nicene Syriac Christian traditions continue today in the Syriac Orthodox church, the Maronite Church, the Chaldean Catholic Church and the Assyrian Church of the East.

Thomasine literature seems to have also been passed down to the Manichaeans who, possibly via their Elcesite heritage, continued and expanded upon Thomasine beliefs. The Naassenes used the Gospel of Thomas and may have shared a belief in an Anthropos-like figure; the Naassenes have been proposed as a community that developed from the Thomasines, or rather that they were the successors of the Thomasines after their beliefs evolved into what can more confidently be described as Gnosticism.

What did Thomasine practice look like?

While the Gospel of Thomas seems to reject conventional forms of piety in Logion 14, by no means is it certain that the Thomasines were not liturgical or sacramental. David W. Kim suggests that the group kept ritual baptism and, like other Jewish Christian groups, the Sabbath was kept. Found at Qumran, the Songs of Sabbath Sacrifice is a liturgical texts of angelic priests singing before the throne of YHWH. Mystic hymn-singing and chants may have also happened among Thomasines. If DeConick's Eucharistic hypothesis is correct, then Thomasines might have believed in some form of communion. Their view of communion is difficult to ascertain, however, because the Thomasines may have been Docetists; this would potentially rule out a transubstantial view of the Eucharist. Taking the logia at face value, communion may have rather been seen as a liquid source for the precious Wisdom (as so valued in the Book of Thomas the Contender) that would aid in a Thomasine's ascent.

One of the reasons why it's so difficult to reconstruct the practice of any Merkabah/Hekhalot group is the Guruism. Each heaven has its own angelic gatekeepers that would require the Mantric recitation of angelic names, special postures, secret seals and numerological codes, to achieve the ascent. This would have been passed down as part of communal transmission in secrecy. Just like how many Gnostic sects and mystery cults lost the history of their practice, so may have the Thomasines. It just goes to show how crucial the Dead Sea Scrolls discovery was in uncovering the history of early Jewish mysticism.

Further reading

  • Marvin Meyer, The Gospel of Thomas: The Hidden Sayings of Jesus
  • Stevan Davies, The Gospel of Thomas and Christian Wisdom (1983)
  • April DeConick, Seek to See Him: Ascent and Vision Mysticism in the Gospel of Thomas (1996)
  • April DeConick, Recovering the Original Gospel of Thomas: A History of the Gospel and Its Growth (2006)
  • Stephen J. Patterson, The Gospel of Thomas and Jesus (1993)
  • Gregory J. Riley, Resurrection Reconsidered: Thomas and John in Controversy (1995)
  • Nicholas Perrin, Thomas: The Other Gospel (2007)
  • Risto Uro, Thomas: Seeking the Historical Context of the Gospel of Thomas (2003)
  • Jan Bremmer, The Apocryphal Acts of Thomas (2001)
  • Kim, Jung Hoon, The Significance of Clothing Imagery in the Pauline Corpus (2004)
u/Whole_Maybe5914 — 3 days ago

The Jesus Prayer is unexpectedly deep and powerful!! Even for someone like me, who doubted this!

I know only a teensy bit about hesychasm, or about Eastern Orthodox mysticism generally, but I am inspired to write this to share the beauty that it's provided for me, and to provide the perspective of someone who is outside the tradition and for whom its benefits are unexpected, so as to inspire others who are unaware of it or are hesitant to give themselves to it.

(For anyone unfamiliar with the Jesus Prayer, it's a prayer that comes from Eastern Orthodox mysticism, and it goes, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner." There are other variants, but the same basic formula. The continuous repetition of this prayer is part of hesychasm, a mystical practice aimed at spiritual transformation.)

I say it's "unexpectedly powerful" because the idea of endlessly repeating "have mercy on me, a sinner" would not have seemed to me particularly healthy or conducive to mystical closeness with God, lol. And it also would have seemed overly self-centered, and not love-centered. I like to speak spontaneously and freely to God and express love endlessly, not petitions.

I first read about it in an old book my dad gave me, an anthology of mysticism (by F.C. Happold). And seeing it contextualized in mystical practice and used for the ultimate aim of theosis, that made me deeply curious (though still unsure that it would offer me anything). So I tried it... And tried it more, off and on... And it is deep and powerful!!

I've discovered, through my humble, ignorant attempts at hesychasm, that there are inexhaustible depths to every word of the prayer, and the meaning is not what I initially assumed.

"Have mercy on me" doesn't mean what I thought it did. This isn't merely asking for forgiveness to get into heaven, or for relief in this world. The mercy we should ask for is the mercy of being transformed in Christ and united with Him! The mercy of being made more loving and Christ-like, the mercy of giving ourselves in love and service, the mercy of having our spiritual illnesses eased and cured, and the mercy of having our eyes opened to the Truth beyond description! It's a mystical transformation, so that all things are changed and shine with the light of God, even in this life!

"A sinner" doesn't mean what I thought it did. Being a sinner is being God's beloved---but humbly! Being a sinner isn't being distant from God, it isn't being lower than you are. It's being exactly what you are, and being loved nonetheless, and being a place where God resides nonetheless. And recognizing it, and stating it, is giving yourself to God and to agape, and as part of this dedicating yourself to mending what is amiss, but lovingly! And it is offering yourself to God so that His grace may lovingly mend you!

And I discover more of who Christ is! I won't even begin to go into this—holy holy holy, my Beloved!! It is so easy for our conceptions of Christ to become horribly inadequate and plodding; so in hesychasm, the name of the Lord and His titles can and should be stripped of meager conceptions! These words become a cloud of unknowing through which to love the un-pin-down-able God!

The whole thing is unexpectedly a deeply loving and relational act, a practice of being held in love and giving in love, while stripping yourself of complacency so as to give and receive yet more. And it is such a lovely, gorgeous way to return your mind to God again and again, to be accepted back as the prodigal child again and again, to become transformed again and again, and to slowly learn to quiet and subdue that which is poisonous for your soul.

This is just my humble take. And all of these words are inadequate to express the truth. Again, I am deeply ignorant about all of this, so anyone who knows more about hesychasm, please comment and share what you know and useful resources for learning more! I just hope to inspire some people who might otherwise find this prayer off-putting or uninspiring.

Much love and many blessings to all of you! 🤍

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u/Another_Lovebird — 4 days ago
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LOVE NEVER FAILS

Does God manifest His love in the animal world too?

https://youtu.be/fM_gxhNUczQ

Here is a bible-focused and real-life story of 2 orphaned tigers who grew up together, then separated and eventually re-united. Annotated with relevant bible verses, the story testifies of God's amazing love at work. What do you think? Feel free to share your thoughts, praise God!

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OC, Zoë (Life) - Nag Hammadi II, 5

Oil painting I did on Zoë (Life) as described in “On The Origin Of The World” from the Nag Hammadi Library. More art on gnosticism coming, @sr_monogram on socials.

“[She dispatched a bird], which in their world would spend its thousand years in Paradise, a living creature imbued with soul, called “phoenix.” … the phoenix is also symbolic of a human being, of which it is written, “the just man will blossom like a phoenix, and the phoenix appears first alive, and dies, and rises again, functioning as a symbol of what will happen” (“On The Origin Of The World” (Nag Hammadi Codex II, 5)

In this text Zoe (Life) is the daughter of Sophia (Wisdom). She teaches Adam, or mankind, about what they lack in wisdom in order for them to return to eternal life. Zoe is also equated with Eve and described as: “the Non-Jealous One, the Blessed One, the Joyful One, the True One, the Non-Envying One, The Beloved One, The Faithful One, Peace, Gladness, Joyfulness, Blessedness, Truth, Love, Pistis.”(@sr_monogram)

(NHC II, 5 translation by S. Zinner, M. M. Mattison https://www.luminescence-llc.net/on-the-origin-of-the-world)

u/kloon23 — 5 days ago

Need more like St Issac the Syrian and Meister Echkart

I have read the writings of St Issac the Syrian and Meister Echkart and I can firmly say that they both are very underrated.

Truly in our day to day life activities we forgot/ignored the timeless wisdom these people shared. Their writings become more meaningful to one who is going through rough patch in life. They both described that deepest transformation takes place precisely where ego feels most defeated, where worldly consolations disappear, and where a person is forced to seek God for His own sake rather than for what He gives.

Their words become deeper as one's own life becomes deeper. The more one experiences suffering, loss, silence, solitude, the more these writings begin to reveal meanings that were invisible before.

What's remarkable is they both came to same conclusion - True wisdom is gazing at God. Gazing at God is silence of the thoughts.

I have read John of cross's Dark night of the soul as well as Teresa of Avila's Way of perfection.

Please suggest me more like these. I am looking for more writers who speak with this same depth, not merely about religion or morality.

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u/Plus_Confidence_1369 — 5 days ago

Finding the Person of Jesus in the Indian Ashram Tradition – A Shield Against Vagueness and Dissociation

Hello everyone,

I have been deeply exploring the history of Christian Mystics in India, particularly the legacy of Sadhu Sundar Singh and the Christukula Ashram in Tirupattur (Tamil Nadu).

I feel a profound calling to bring the rich, relational background of Indian Christian mysticism to the West.

The traditional European church landscape often feels dry, overly rational, and institutionally frozen.

I believe that the Indian Bhakti tradition – the deep, loving, and heart-centered devotion to Jesus – could be a powerful remedy to help Western seekers rediscover a living relationship with Him.

However, in my own spiritual journey, I have realized a critical boundary: true Christian mysticism must remain strictly person-centered. We must encounter the historical and resurrected person of Jesus Christ as our Sadguru (the true spiritual guide) in a direct I-and-Thou relationship.

I see a danger in modern spiritualities that dissolve the self into a vague, impersonal "Christ-consciousness" or induce uncontrolled trance states through hours of chanting. For some minds, this boundless merging can lead to cognitive overload, dissociation, or a sense of losing one's grip on reality.

In my vision for a community, I want to use the "Indian cup" (like the simple, grounded lifestyle of the Ashram, sitting barefoot, and brief, time-limited Bhajans of 10-15 minutes to prevent trance) to offer the "Water of Life" – but with a strict focus on the Person of Jesus, which anchors our minds and protects our psychological stability.

I often feel very isolated with these systematic thoughts, as traditional churches find this scope hard to understand.

Does anyone here share a love for the Indian Christian Mystic tradition?

How do you balance the deep desire for mystical closeness with the necessity of staying anchored in a personal relationship with Christ?

I would love to hear your thoughts.

(The post was created with the help of AI)

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u/christo-samaj — 4 days ago

Books to become enlightened in God?

I want to comprehend our Lords love more, and to know the path with him more and in unity with him, to love him more, and living with him, being transformed by him, please give me recommendations Godbless you

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u/Select_Society1799 — 6 days ago

Daily bread

In my prayer not long ago, I asked Jesus in my mind... Are you a memory, collective unconscious, a thought... Something along those lines. And he said to me - No, I am a promise. And he smiled.

It sounds cheesy and it might not be real at all, but for a time I was left with some happy feeling, hope and love... The honest one, not forced. It was nothing spectacular or grand... Just a very beautiful moment in a simple everyday prayer. Perhaps a reminder to myself to hold on to what is important. Treasure in an empty field.

Just wanted to share

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u/Yogurt-5669 — 5 days ago

Has anyone experienced bridal mysticism and come out the other side?

My experiences don’t matter but I’m currently experiencing bridal mysticism and in the illumination phase. I’m coming to the realization that everything I’m experiencing is just my own human desire to be loved a certain way and God does not actually love that way. My research tells me that one day all visions and consolations eventually stop and there is peace but it’s hard to navigate the realization that my “intimacy” with Him has basically been a lie so has anyone gone through this and what were you like when he was done? I feel like I’m not going to have any desires or will to do anything anymore.

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u/closetothestop28 — 6 days ago

Diary of Saint Faustina - paragraph 686 - Participation and Intercession

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Diary of Saint Faustina - paragraph 686 - Participation and Intercession


September. First Friday. In the evening, I saw the Mother of God, with Her breast bared and pierced with a sword. She was shedding bitter tears and shielding us against God's terrible punishment. God wants to inflict terrible punishment on us, but He cannot because the Mother of God is shielding us. Horrible fear seized my soul. I kept praying incessantly for Poland, for my dear Poland, which is so lacking in gratitude for the Mother of God. If it were not for the Mother of God, all our efforts would be of little use. I intensified my prayers and sacrifices for our dear native land, but I see that I am a drop before the wave of evil. How can a drop stop a wave? O yes! A drop is nothing of itself, but with You, Jesus, I shall stand up bravely to the whole wave of evil and even to the whole of hell. Your omnipotence can do all things.

Union with God is given in the receiving of mercy through His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. Yet the soul's continued and growing union desires that the grace it has received be poured out ever more upon all souls - upon the whole world. This is the desire of Mary, seeking to shield souls from the just judgment of God, and that of Faustina's incessant prayers of mercy for her beloved Poland. It is the will of the Savior Himself, dwelling within the soul by grace, Who moves the heart to desire that every receiver of mercy become a participant in its spread. In the Diary, this participation is shown by the Faustinian prayer: “have mercy on us and all the whole world.” At Pentecost, it is shown by Mary and the brethren, persevering together in one mind in prayer as they awaited the promised Holy Spirit. Yet the human pleading for our Lord's presence and mercy on others is more ancient than both of these examples combined.

Douay Rheims Challoner Bible
Psalm 105:23 And he said that he would destroy them: had not Moses his chosen stood before him in the breach: to turn away his wrath, lest he should destroy them.

The ways of the Lord are mysterious to men. Yet their slow unveiling through the ages is a guiding revelation into those ways. In both Scripture and the Diary, a mystery is revealed between the foreknowledge of God and His justice and mercy in all things. For throughout Scripture He has often begun by announcing His righteous judgment against sin, only to reveal the triumph of His mercy through the prayers and intercessions of other sinners. It begs the question: why does the Lord begin in righteous judgment, what He already foreknows He will end through pleas of mercy from those also stained in sin? 

Supportive Scripture - Douay Rheims Challoner Bible 
Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God! How incomprehensible are his judgments, and how unsearchable his ways!

A soul that stands judged will always plead mercy for itself. Yet, the mercy it receives from He Who dies in mercy for all souls will always surpass its sin. Thus, as judgment begets the begging of mercy, and the outpouring of mercy becomes greater than the offense, the measure of mercy in the world abounds. It exceeds the measure of sin and draws the sinner beyond concern for his own salvation into humble participation in Christ's work of redeeming the world.

Supportive Scripture - Douay Rheims Challoner Bible 
Romans 5:20 Where sin abounded, grace did more abound.

As the life of the Savior exceeded His death on the Cross, so shall the grace that was released in His offering always exceed each soul's death in sin. Thus the Lord bestows upon souls an abundance of grace - not merely for their own sanctification, but that His mercy might overflow through them to others. It is not given merely to be kept, as though mercy were bestowed only for one's own future need. It is given to be released, as in the incessant, and intercessory prayers of Faustina, our Apostle of Divine Mercy - to draw all souls into humble participation with the work of the Savior Himself.

Supportive Scripture - Douay Rheims Challoner Bible
First Timothy 2:1 I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all men.

Catechism of the Catholic Church
2635 Intercession is a prayer of petition which leads us to pray as Jesus did. He is the one intercessor with the Father in behalf of all men... In the age of the Church, Christian intercession participates in Christ's, as an expression of the communion of saints.

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u/artoriuslacomus — 5 days ago
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Does Neoplatonic ascent need a practice of emptying?

Hey everyone. I've always been fascinated by a possible danger within synoptic philosophies. The more successfully a system integrates, the easier it becomes to mistake its comprehensiveness for closure. Neoplatonic ascent should transform the knower rather than give the discursive mind a final diagram of reality, yet the tradition’s scale can still tempt later readers into treating it as an all-containing structure. I wonder whether a practice that repeatedly breaks attachment to frames could protect procession and return from becoming an intellectual possession, or whether that worry misunderstands what Plotinian non-discursive unity already accomplishes.

I just had a podcast conversation with John Vervaeke, where he argued that Zen and Neoplatonism correct one another in precisely this respect. At around 52:55, he describes Neoplatonism as opening him so that nothing is excluded and Zen as emptying him so that nothing is enclosed. The proposal is not that both traditions teach one hidden doctrine. It is that their practices pull against complementary distortions: fragmentation on one side, enclosure by synthesis on the other.

This would imply that Zen contributes something Neoplatonism cannot simply generate from its own resources. Is that true, or do apophasis, henosis and the transcendence of Intellect already perform the needed emptying? Does the comparison clarify Neoplatonic practice, or translate it into contemporary non-dual language? What would count as genuine synergy here rather than a syncretic overlay?

u/rp_tiago — 8 days ago
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Looking for a spiritual director trained in the prophetic …

Hi all!

Well , absolutely what the title says, I’m looking for a spiritual director with the following background:

  1. Trained in the Carmelite spirituality - either clergy or lay person

  2. Catholic

  3. Can help discern some things particularly regarding saints, prophetic dreams/iconography

NB: I’m fully aware of the Church’s teaching on private revelation, and am submitted to the Church’s guidance. I have sought counsel from my priests and spiritual directors, and after much counsel and prayer have decided to prayerfully look for a spiritual director under the very specific circumstances.

Open to wherever the director might be based!

And please do keep me in your prayers :)

Thanks!

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u/Sunshine12345678901 — 7 days ago
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The Lonely Other

I am struggling to understand Thomas Merton's letter to Dom Francis Decroix of August 21, 1967, (Essential Writings by Christine Bochen) in which he says in part:

> "The contemplative has nothing to tell you except to reassure you that if you dare to penetrate your own silence and risk the sharing of that solitude with the lonely other who seeks God Through you, then you will truly recover the light and the capacity to understand what is beyond words and beyond explanations because it is too close to be explained: it is the inmate
union in the depths of your own hear, of God's spirit and your own secret inmost self, so that you and He are in all truth One Spirit."

Specifically, I am thinking what is meant by "the lonely other"?Is it any other searching person, a person you are in relationship with that you may influence, or the innermost self?
Does person mean another person of the wandering and lonely deeper self? Or in
duality rather than separateness?

Thoughts?

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u/LouTao0 — 6 days ago