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Wouldn't Apollo 24 come back to Earth?

So I just finished rewatching season 1 and when they miss Moon Orbit by 30 feet they keep talking about how they'll "Keep on drifting into deep space" but didn't Apollo missions use free return trajectory? I know the TLI went long but after they killed off a ton of speed should they not still have been in at least Earth Orbit? maybe they don't have enough supplies to last the time considering they threw a ton of stuff out before decelerating, but still, it just feel weird they'd chose that sort of language if they were still going to come around in orbit.

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u/WW1_Germany — 15 hours ago

i was not prepared for this show to ruin me

Breaking bad has always been my favorite show. i have this slightly unhealthy yearly ritual where i rewatch it like it’s a holiday tradition for people who need therapy.

back in 2022, i tried watching for all mankind and dropped it around episode two or three. it just didn’t click, so i moved on.

now i gave it another shot.

i just got through episodes 5x3 and 5x4, and honestly, i’m wrecked. sad, teary, weirdly devastated in a way that feels kind of stupid to even say out loud.

so… does this pass, or did this show just permanently mess with my brain chemistry?

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u/vittoroliveira — 1 day ago

What does everyone think about “Marsies?”

What do y’all think about characters calling people on Mars “Marsies” instead of Martians?

I have a couple friends that watch FAM who agree it sounds silly, but it doesn’t bother them. I find it legitimately cringeworthy every time I hear it.

It’s frustrating because I generally enjoy running into things I dislike about/in my favorite shows; it makes me question why I think the way I do about certain things, and/or causes me to examine the dislikable moment(s) in relation to other aspects of the series. But “Marsies” just sounds terrible and there’s no deeper reason there. And for me, it requires a pretty steep suspension of disbelief because I genuinely cannot imagine anyone in their right mind being okay with getting called a “marsie.” Maybe if it was a slur used by earthers, but not as the regular term.

I’m also genuinely curious why they opted for Marsies instead of Martian. Was it to distinguish the FAM universe from other Sci-fi series? Wasn’t “Martian” already an established term by the year S1 began in? Why wouldn’t the characters in the universe adopt it?

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u/redrum_butancomtho — 2 days ago

Anyone else not watching episodes right away in S5?

For S2-S4 I’d eagerly await the release of a new episode and watch it that night.

With Ed’s passing, and Margo out of the picture, I’ve found for the last few episodes I’m no longer in a rush to watch the new episode. I watched the last one last night, 4 days after it was released.

Anyone else doing the same? I WILL watch it, I am enjoying it, but it’s no longer “must see TV” for me.

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u/MarcusAurelius68 — 2 days ago

Highlight of Episode 5 : The Robocop sign

Struggling to get through Season 5, but found this sign funny since it could also be a reference to Joel Kinnaman’s Robocop

u/Silo-Joe — 2 days ago

Dive Deeper Season 2 Bonus Clips

So, the Wiki says there are "Dive Deeper" episodes for season 2. Called
Jimmy, Ellen, Paine, Kelly and Jewel. But I can not find them, I'm finding the bonus newsreels episodes between seasons on apple. But not these "dive deeper" bonus clips. Does anyone know how to find them? I've tried playing the episodes they supposedly correspond to, but nothing.

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What years do you think Star City will take place in?

I'm mainly wondering about what the creators said versus what appeared in the trailer. The trailer begins in 1969 and Leonov's moon landing, similar to For All Mankind. However, that series had two time jumps: the first to around 1970-1971 in episodes 3-5, and the second to 1974 in episodes 6-10. Could it be similar in Star City? The creators mentioned the series would take place in the 1970s, but we start in the late 1960s. Additionally, two important storylines for the series only occurred in 1969: Leonov and Belikova's moon landing. Apparently, according to an interview with Radio Times, this is a very important thread in the series. Which leads to my final question: if we jump to 1974, will we see, for example, the Soviets placing Zvezda on the moon? Or for example, will we see Mikhail Vasiliev from episodes 9-10, who helped Ed with LSAM? I'm currently betting on at least three N1 launches – 1. Leonov's landing, 2. Belikova's landing, 3. Sasha Polivanov's flight from the trailer.

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u/Camil_2077 — 1 day ago

I am sympathetic to earth too.

Just hear me out, in real life, automated space colonies and mines would be great. It would accelerate space colonization when costs and risks go down. Furthermore, legally speaking, Earth is well within its rights to bring back workers. At the moment, the colony is literally the furthest frontier, invested in heavily by the nations to secure key mineral upon which the entire economies hinge. Ofcourse commandeering such a base would be seen as national threat.

So among more controversial things, commandeering an international base does qualify as an act of Terrorism. And no matter how much you disagree with an individual, targeting them personally is a crime- Dev Ayesa is a victim of Mob Lynching. Yet, unfortunately, targeting the domes in the manner Dev Ayesa did, does not constitute a warcrime. According to international law, those deaths are termed collateral. Legally, it would only qualify as warcrime if Palmer (who I assume to be the commanding officer over-reliant on Dev) had not done the due diligence to prevent any deaths, which as we saw, he did try his best. Assuming that since Palmer was involved, the M-7 was technically in the loop.

The only thing I can concede to the Mars movement is the corruption of police. The entire force must be investigated for extrajudicial killings, corruptions and collusion. And I also recognize the core problem of unemployment with automation, yet do not believe it justified commandeering the base.

I think deploying 90% automation on the base out of nowhere was a stupid idea that would never have worked anyway. It has the investor bullshit written all over it- remember that we have barely seen any lick of distinct automation/robots until now. Today we know that losing your industrial knowledge overnight by replacing your workers or offshoring is one of the stupidest things one can do as a nation.>!&#x200B;!<

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u/aekqt_ — 2 days ago

Jamestown + LSAM, Apollo 24 and ASTP in KSP

i made these a while ago, but i thought it would be cool to share them here.

u/StarKerb — 3 days ago

What is Dev's vision for Mars exactly?

I feel like a big part of this season is about Ed Baldwin's vision of the future of Mars vs Dev's vision of the future of Mars. But I dunno if the show yet has really properly articulated what this visions are.

Ed's I get. He wanted Mars to be the new America. A refuge for anybody regardless of who they were on Earth who wants to start over, and a chance at a redo of human society.​

Dev's is a little trickier to nail down. He wants at least a million people living on Mars post-automation, but he doesn't want it to be the people already living on Mars. So he wants Mars to just be like an escape for earth's wealthy?

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u/joe727 — 3 days ago

Theory: Revisiting the season 4 flash forward...

So I think the scene from the season 4 flash forward isn't >!Dev looking hopeful about Kuznetsov station and the future of HIS Mars.!<

>!My prediction: I think it's Dev after being ousted from Helios, charged with crimes against humanity (stealing medical supplies, deliberately destroying food/ag domes and inadvertently killing teenagers/children) and being banished to the far side of Mars.!<

>!He's given a hopper to live in (remotely deactivated) and limited food/supplies (Danny treatment). He prefers it compared to going back to earth to share a cell next to Margo. He also ends up inheriting Ed's ankle monitor after the Russian chairman.!<

>!It would also mirror the season 3 flash forward with Margo being in Soviet Russia (in a way) as well as Danny being banished during Season 4 flashbacks.!<

It makes a lot more sense - especially considering we haven't seen this scene yet, the fact that's >!he's COMPLETELY alone, and that he doesn't really appear to be smiling as if his plan worked out. Just Dev, completely alone, at the edge of Mars, in his own kingdom. He's marooned - or Meru-ed.!<

Link to scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFLV2IRSDJY

u/IlIIllIlllIIIllI — 3 days ago

Kelly has messed up big time on 2 occassions

Kelly, one of the most intelligent characters on this show, hasn't messed up much. But when she did, it was big time.

The first time, she messed up by deciding to have sex in space and keeping the baby. Everyone knows that in low gravity, bones and muscles don't have to grow strong enough to support the body's weight, which was true in case of the Sojourner and the Mars stint. Result was that the crew ended up burning through resources, Ed almost died (idk why they couldn't program the lander to fly itself in a suborbital trajectory, would have meant less weight, more speed, and not worrying about needing fuel to land, the lander was toast either ways), and Alex was confined to outer space.

The second time, she decides to hijack the ship to land on Titan despite them realising the stolen data wasn't accurate. Now, fortunately, the landing goes well, but she decides to risk the life of the whole crew just because she thought Ed was too chicken to land on the Moon and on Mars, despite not knowing the full context (Apollo 10 wasn't built to land, the dust storm on Mars hid unknown hills till the last moment). Yes, the choice to not land wasn't entirely rational, but the ship hijack was worse, and it destroyed the commander's confidence.

Plus her being the daughter of a dead Helios shareholder and still being unable to fund science robots in season 4 is weird.

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u/AgentIndependent306 — 4 days ago

Star Wars in For All Mankind

In the Season 2 newsreel, it is seen that Star Wars (1977) gets the Oscar for best picture, which did NOT happen in OT. This makes sense as people probably were more interested in space after Jamestown was established in 1973.

In season 2, Jimmy mentions how he didn’t like Return of the Jedi because of the Ewoks. This DID also happen in the OT, it was criticized heavily for being too goofy.

In season 5, which takes place in 2012, Kelly and Alex seem to be Star Wars fans themselves after having a conversation about scenes from Empire Strikes Back.

Here’s my issue. In OT, George Lucas released the prequels from 1999-2006 with episodes 1, 2, and 3. This should mean that by season 5 (2012), Kelly and especially Alex should’ve had the prequels more fresh in their minds , especially episode 3 Revenge of the Sith.

Another thing: Lucas SOLD Star Wars to Disney in 2012 in the OT, and then we got the shitty ass sequels and the acolyte and all the other Disney junk.

The Theory ( a Star Wars theory): Either

The prequels were NEVER released in the FAM timeline at all to begin with. Maybe Lucas stopped at Return of the Jedi OR (and maybe both)

George Lucas didn’t sell to Disney at all, meaning that they should be getting the GEORGE LUCAS sequel trilogy in between seasons 5 and 6 of for all mankind (sequels released from 2015 to 2019 in the OT).

Since FAM is the better timeline in almost all cases, it can be assumed that things went right for us Star Wars fans in that timeline.

u/Big-Owl1492 — 4 days ago

Season 5 has been the best

I've seen a few posts griping about season 5. I just don't get it, season 5 has had the best narrative so far. At no point did it feel cheesey or unearned. The writers this season really made up for the narrative fail with the whole Jimmy and Danny stevens nonsense. And as much as I love this show, it's had a varying "cheesy factor" the entire time until now. Plenty of narratives have been great, but equally as many felt campy somehow. Season 5 is on par with the expanse, and if that's an issue for you, well you just have poor taste in television. The science is still here, the stakes are higher than ever, and the legacy are living on. The introduction of Avery was a solid move. Kelly taking a step out of the reserved scientist and into her father's shoes is a total "fuck yeah" moment. Alex and Lilly are so goddamn cute together it just makes my heart melt, magnitudes more than any of the other couples on the show. Then there's Aleida being her same old self , just focused on the mission and fuck everything else, except she does deeply care about mars, she wouldn't have helped steel Goldilocks of she didn't. And I guarantee you she will be new mars governor when this season is over, without a doubt.

I will concede the way they sent off Ed with the flashbacks was...a choice, but the events leading up to that were awesome. And Boyd? She's practically carrying the whole season on her own, and she's bringing some serious S.T.A.R.S. or V.S.S.E energy to the board and I fucking love it.

I just don't get how anyone could dislike this season. It's unequivocally the best so far.

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u/Dorphie — 4 days ago

I really hope they don't take the lazy obvious route with Avery

I feel like the show is telegraphing hard that Avery is going to lose it, and probably do a war crime or two on Mars. Got a feeling she'll end up killing Lily (probably right after she uploads some crucial video that turns the tide) putting her in direct odds with Alex.

I really hope they don't fall into this. Her not doing that would be more interesting than her doing that. Have Alex and Lily's Marine buddy be the one who loses it.

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u/joe727 — 4 days ago

Meru isn’t happening, is it

While Dev has really annoyed me this season, I still liked his overall idea for Meru. Even if it’s a little clinical in its implementation, some reworking by Alex would’ve made it an ideal, proper beacon of civilization on the red planet.
That being said.
All the conflict and tensions so far this season has cast a lot of doubt that this will be constructed. We’ve seen similar “concepts” of Dev’s that never materialized like Calypso or the mountain city, I think Meru is this seasons version.
I might be wrong, but what do yall think?

u/_First-Pass — 5 days ago