r/IndoAryan

AIT and AMT is just a semantic debate. There is no such thing as a formalized Aryan Invasion Theory. Aryan migration to the subcontinent is a fact of history. The topic at hand concerns the degree of violence and domination involved in the migration (all migrations involve violence to some degree). Aryan Migration Theory is certainly an apt name, but it is not right to discredit the term Aryan Invasion Theory, as an invasion is simply a migration with significant violence and domination. If one supposes that the migration indeed involved a significant degree of violence and domination, then Aryan Invasion Theory is a perfectly valid description as well. An analogous debate exists about the Anglo-Saxon migrations/invasions of England.

**Reposted From Rigvedichinduism**

No, this is not one of those Vaishnava theories of "Indra is Post saaar". Rather, it is quite the contrary.

I am quite new to this space and would to learn more about Vedic beleifs in a more non-secretarian and histroic manner. So kindly take my speculation with a pinch of salt.

Now the reason I ask this question is because we have different descriptions of Indra's lineage. I feel like I am missing out on some metaphysical elements in the Samhita(which certainly exist). Then again, historians suggest that we have lost so much of the veda, which would create a bunch of missing links.

Here it says he was born of Purusha's mouth

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“The moon was born from his mind; the sun was born from his eye; Indra and Agni were born from his mouth*, Vāyu from his breath.”*

Here it says that Dyaus is his father and earth is his mother.

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"Dyaus is my Father, my begetter: kinship is here. This great earth is my kin and Mother. Between the wide-spread world-halves is the birth-place: the Father laid the Daughter's germ within it."

If he was directly born from the mouth of purusha, why would Dyaus and Prthivi be his parents? It seems like there are multiple forms of Indra. This is even attested in the following hymn :

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"In every figure he hath been the mode: this is his only form for us to look on. Indra assumes many form by his Maya, for his Bay Steeds are yoked, ten times a hundred." (Griffiths)

“Indra, the prototype, has assumed various forms, and such is his form as that which (he adopts) for his manifestation; Indra, multiform by his illusion, proceeds (to his many worshippers), for the horses, yoked to his car are a thousand." (H.H Wilson)

I've attached two different translations for this one as the first is more abstract than the second and can possibly be interpreted differently.

Now I would like to know, who exactly is Indra in the Rigveda? from what I understand, he seems like the central Indo-European style hero figure who is the warrior manifestation of the ultimate. I say this because IMO Rigveda seems to be kathenotheistic and the Steppe nomads(and most bronz age IE cultures in general), who had to go into battle quite often, invoked him the most, in turn making him the most important god.

Like Lord Indra has the power of thunderbolts and electricity

And our brain uses electric signals

So can Lord Indra control those signals, controlling the brain?can lord Indra control mind?

From Sindhu we got India, Indus, Hindi and Hindhu, though some of there words have originated from Iranian cognate of Sindhu.

I was searching about this. Sindhu seem to have a clear Proto indo Iranian etomology but lack Proto Indo European origin. Tho some linguistics sometimes trace it to PIE "\*kiesdh". But it Is not well accepted.

Some alternate theories suggests it to be from Burushaski "sinda" which in burushaski is common word used for all rivers, even the Proto Indo Iranian word also means a large river.

The other other one lean towards it to be from Proto dravidian "\*cintu\*. Which means "date tree" Like that. So not well direct etomology

Some people also speculate it to be from BMAC substrate.

some say it to be from old indo aryan aka Sanskrit word "syand"-- "to flow" or "sedh" meaning "to hold back"

What I mean by this: we often say,"Buddha was born in Nepal.", but we need to extend it further and say, "Buddha was born in Nepal and he WASN'T a Madhesi."

Further elaboration:

The Buddha was not Madhesi in the modern sense. He belonged to the ancient Shakya clan, whose small republic was located in the Himalayan foothills around Kapilavastu and Lumbini, long before the modern Madhesi identity existed.

The Terai was not empty at that time. A number of indigenous communities, such as the Tharu and others, had lived there for centuries.

Most of the ancestors of today's Madhesi population, however, trace their roots to migrations from present-day Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. These migrations increased significantly during the 19th and especially the mid-20th century, after malaria was brought under control and the Terai became much easier to settle.

So, while many modern Madhesis' have ancestral roots in UP and Bihar, the Buddha belonged to the ancient Shakya republic of the Himalayan foothills, not to the modern Madhesi community.

P.S: Most modern Madhesi, especially the ones who migrated, never historically followed the Buddhist teachings' and were mostly Hindu from UP-Bihar who followed the strict Varna System. Conversely, There were(and still are) some communities in India who used to worship Buddha and follow his teachings' whilst keeping distance from the vedic Hinduism and also ate beef. Those communities were later classified as "Dalits" I.e is someone out of the 4 Varna system(Bhramin, Kashtriya, Vesya and Shudra). The reason I'm saying this is my mom is from UP(a Dalit woman who doesn't belong to any Varna and continuously followed the Buddhist teachings' and never followed the vedic Hinduism doctrine by existing kattar Hindu empire from UP-Bihar region) and my dad is a Lama(tamang) from Bharatpur, Chitwan who is also a liberal and former Maoist(not a comrade tho, just a former party member who voted blue this time).

I read that the earliest parts of the rigveda was composed in Afghanistan is this true? They claim that the saraswati river in india was dried up so the saraswati river mentioned in the rigveda was referring to the Helmand river in Afghanistan. Also what date would it have been composed? What date did aryans migrate to India / Punjab?

Hi guys, does anyone know what the etymology of the Gujarati word ધતિંગ is? One of my friends thinks it might be onomatopoeic, which is something I'm leaning towards as well, but if somebody could confirm or deny that, it'd be great!

Looking forward to reading your responses!