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and the ending was pretty good but after what happened to Baptiste i realized i didn't really get to know her which left me unaffected by her death. yeah sure we're told she dabbled in a lot over her lifetime but not much else beyond it.

i was just curious what everyone else thought about her.

When an author progresses I assume they will do better with character but it seems he tried way to hard to fridge female characters and after the quality he produced… just stick to what you’re good at. Don’t ruin your legacy

I know Sharp Ends gives a little backstory to some of the characters.

But I would love to know what happened with Carlot dan Eider. She’s one of the few who seem more altruistic even while being pragmatic.

I hate what happened to Orso, but he’s pretty much JA’s version of Louis XVI. He always means well, but events and habits tend to bind and condemn him.

I’d love to read the further adventures of Savine, Rilke, and Victarine.

Is The Great Change collection any good? Is that the second one?

Typically I read weird girl lit (dark, emotional, unhinged female mc ie mental health), dabbled in some historical fiction, horror and sci fi.

I have tried some fantasy stories but typically get overwhelmed by the world and character creation. Have never read a fantasy series besides Harry Potter. But I really want to.

I stumbled across Devils on good reads, a friend saved it, and was so in love with the cover art I started to do some digging. I decided to start from the beginning with Blade Itself.

I really like it so far!! It’s dark yet funny. I’m only around page 50 but I feel very invested in what’s going to happen and how it’s all related. I’ve enjoyed tv shows and movies like this. It doesn’t feel too overwhelming, I just try to focus more on all the names and titles and creatures. Reread if I have to. The descriptions are beautiful and of perfect length to me. I finish a sentence often just like wow that was so well articulated.

Tips for a new fantasy reader? Do you ever write down some notes so you don’t forget? Are there any women characters?

Edit. Meant First Law / Blade Itself in title

I just finished Last Argument of Kings, book 3 of the First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie. Holy cow, these books are awesome. Spoilers follow, and fair warning, I haven't made much of an effort to organize this, so it's mostly stream-of-consciousness.

To begin with, the characters are so rich and well-realized. I think these are some of my favorite character arcs in fiction, I couldn't get enough of Glokta and Logen fighting their (sometimes literal) inner demons and grappling with what it means to be ruthless killers while clinging to shreds of humanity. Jezal is a wonderful and tragic case study too--I spent the whole of book 2 thinking that Bayaz was grooming him to become a just and fair leader, and then most of book 3 seemed to bear that out. The brutal reveal that Bayaz is just as power-hungry as anyone else, only he has the juice to back it up, was a real gut-punch (but only for a moment before it all made a lot of retrospective sense).

I thought the end of book 3 was extremely elegant, putting all of our protags back in echoes of their circumstances at the beginning of book 1 without cheapening their journeys:

• Logen escapes an unwinnable fight and falls to his death(?)
• Jezal lives as an impotent dandy in the lap of luxury
• Ferro stalks the land seeking vengeance
• Glokta inflicts unspeakable horror in the House of Questions
• As a bonus 5th protag, Bayaz retreats to his library to let another era unfold according to his machinations

One of my favorite parts about this series is how unforgiving it is. These characters are absolutely put through the ringer and given very little respite. The scene at the end of book 3 where Ardee massages Glokta's leg almost ruined this for me, but then they have an exchange that so perfectly captures one of the core themes:

>GLOKTA: I don't deserve this.
ARDEE: None of us get what we deserve.

Glokta may be an objectively evil person, and the personification of "hurt people hurt people," but by god I'm glad the man gets to experience a shred of comfort.

I also want to make special mention of the title of the series. I spent basically the whole time being like "why are we so concerned about speaking with demons that we named the series after it?" And of course, speaking with demons did have a fairly major role in the climax of book 3. But I fucking loved Bayaz's last speech to Logen. "Power is the only true law," and of course that's what it's been about the whole time. Demons are literally meaningless without power--to call on them, to deny them, to shape their forces. So too with armies, capital, the will of the people. Nobody gets what they deserve; they only get what they are strong enough to take. Cold, awful, and so satisfying to read.

I only have a couple of gripes, but in order to avoid this being strictly a glazing post, here they are:

• By the end of the series we've been through three sieges of heavily fortified locations. Each one made sense and I wasn't bored reading them, but Abercrombie is so good at writing warfare that I kind of wish he had varied it up a little.
• I know that it's important to Glokta's character that he experiences constant suffering, but by the end I was skimming over the descriptions of his neck clicking, his eye twitching, spasms up his leg. It started to get a little repetitive.
• Glokta coercing Terez into sleeping with Jezal via threatening her lover with SA was just gross. I understand Glokta's thought process, and it's an undeniably effective measure (although frankly if I were Terez I might just suicide), but still. Gross.

And finally, my lingering questions:

• From the first (beautiful, unforgettable) time the Bloody-Nine shows up in the underground forge, I was sure we'd get a reveal where Bayaz said "You didn't think that was you in there, did you? Logen, you've been sharing your body with a demon since birth." I still think the Bloody-Nine is not Logen, and a demon makes the most sense, but this is never even hinted at in the text. Did others have the same reaction? Is this touched on at all in any of the other books?
• I 100% called that Malacus Quai was an imposter very early in book 2, his whole demeanor changed and I was like "that's somebody else." I was pretty sure it was an eater, but definitely did not guess its true identity. I didn't love the Tolomei reveal, it felt rushed and then it was concluded in exactly one scene. Were there any hints as to who was wearing Malacus' face? Did anyone else find this a little extraneous or unsatisfying?
• Did Bayaz lie to the council about Jezal's parentage, or did he lie to Jezal about it in their sickening last scene together? Not that it matters so much, but I tend to think that Jezal was in fact the son of the king (supported by the king mistaking him for his son in book 1).

Ok, ramble over, thanks for reading. Eager to hear any thoughts or answers anyone may have (but of course, please don't spoil the remaining books!)

I thought the characters were all very well written the pacing could have been better. It dragged at times for me. The bayaz twist was insane. I thought the ending would atleast be semi happy with glotka getting married jezal growing a pair and all. But well that didn't happen. Glotka continued the cycle of abuse, jezal got put in his place and logen well there was never a hint of him getting a happy ending. What is the next book best served cold like? Does it have a better plot? Better pacing? Similar level of character writing? Also any other recs outside of Joe Abercrombie ? Something with better plot and twists and pacing and similar level of character work?

First of the Magi, my ass. He is the Devil himself.

Halfway through the second trilogy, where is Ferro? With the death of the Emperor and the fall of the Prophet it seems to indicate she had a hand in it.