r/JoyDivision

Have listened to the studio recordings and officially released live stuff like the factory show (my absolute favorite) and high wycomb. What are some other amazing concert or amazing sounding concert recordings? I know paradiso gets high praise

And by actual New Order I mean pre-2007, including the imprescindible bass. I'm a big fan of all PH&TL versions of the song but was wondering if the lads played it anytime between 1980 and 2007

Joy Division/New Order's Peter Hook Credits Loyal Fans for Rock Hall Induction - Cleveland Scene Magazine.

I finally got around to transcribing part of the Hooky n' Jack COVID era "ask me anything" video from June 9th, 2020. Hooky has declared he knew about a Joy Division era version of the Movement track "ICB" for a long time, and during this video, he finally gave a bit of detail. "H" is Hooky and "J" is Jack.

J: "Will there be a method of accessing the Joy Division version of ICB?"
H: "Well, the answer's no. Hahahaha. But it does exist. I've heard it, yeah."
J: "And what's it like? Is it different to the album version?"
H: "Well, ICB was done by New Order, wasn't it?" (hooky you should know that) "The music is really similar. But, you can hear Ian having a go, but it's only a few snippets...I mean, let's not get into the semantics of it. But I'm not allowed to put these things up. It becomes problematic from a copyright point of view...because they are copyright zealous, where I'm concerned. So, the answer will be no. That's how I realized ICB was from Joy Division! It was a Joy Division song, one that we had left over."
J: "So was that written at the same time as Ceremony and IALP, then?"
H: "Yeah. It was a later idea. And ICB came from a sticker when we went abroad somewhere and I went "Ian Curtis Buried" and I went oooh oooh, which is funny because it's a Joy Division song."

Listen for yourselves here.

So it looks like the only reason Hooky is blocked from releasing this stuff is pure spite, probably on the part of Barney, which sounds about right. I'd give a kidney to hear exactly what the "snippets" Ian is singing actually are. Unfortunately we are unlikely to ever hear them because of the legal stuff, along with who-knows what else. I've heard rumors of 1978 gig soundboards, more Ceremony demos, rehearsals, other stuff. Still, thanks to Hooky for actually confirming that it exists, it means a lot to the fans.