r/KanojoOkarishimasu

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We have to accept the vision of Chizuru about sexuality is very weird. Almost if she was a Showa lady who is determined to came virgin to her wedding at any price. It´s almost how if she would have suffered a SA attempt in her youth or something like that, seeing her... fear to men.

She doesn´t need be the fiancée of Kazuya to have sex with him. And of course, Japanese fetichization of sexual "purity" plays here too.

*Spoilers - This is based off of where the manga currently is at and does bring up things that have happened in arcs throughout the whole manga. None of it goes really in-depth but does act as a spoiler for people who are not caught up with the manga*

I had been on Team Chizuru for the longest time. But as the manga progresses (400+ chapters covering 40+ volumes) the less and less I feel she is worthy. And now I acrually feel she is the least worthy and here is why.

My first point is that the amount of in-manga time that has passed since their first date till the last chapter is more or less around 2 years. During that portion Chizuru and Kazuya have gone through a whole lot. They have gone though many ups and downs through out this time. But in the grand scheme of things, it amounts to almost nothing. Kazuya is no father along in the relationship after the almost 2 years of in-manga time than he was at the end of the first volume. He is stuck in relationship limbo hell. Some people say that it portrays the struggle people go through in trying to find a relationship. But who really struggles through 2 years of being strung along. And it's not for lack of trying. Kazuya is constantly trying to figure out ways to progress things. It is Chizuru who is purposefully playing him like a yoyo. Just how many "This is finally it" moments can happen to only have everything go back to square one. By chapter 400ish (stopped counting after that) Kazuya has confessed 11 or so many times with Chizuru literally RUNNING away after about a 3rd of those. RUNNING AWAY... Through the 400+ chapters Chizuru has kissed Kazuya 3 times and 2 of those were not even "real kisses" as they were forced during the Hawaiian Arc" to prove that they are a "real" couple. And the other time was after Chizuru more or less rejected Kazuya after the GF Date Arc. Imagine getting rejected then as your leaving getting a kiss. All after pining for Chizuru after about a year and a half by that time. Talk about a major mind fuck.

My second point is the money. Granted dating is expensive but the amount spent is kinda atrocious and all by someone who is a student who works part-time at a kareoke bar. According to google karoeke employees in japan make between 1000-1300 yen/ hour. Another redditor (lechepicante) had calculated the amount Kazuya has spent on Chizuru up through the movie:

RENTAL DATES: 1.14 million Yen - how many hour would Kazuya have to work or get the cash from his family to afford that much.

PRODUCING THE MOVIE: 1.75 million Yen - granted a good portion was for the movie was crowd funded but Kazuya did put a good amount of his personal money on the line as seed funds and misc expenses like food for workers, etc. But it still represent money that was procured through his own personal efforts.

So after nearly:

2 years of time

11 confessions

3 kisses

almost 3,000,000 Yen spent

Kazuya has nothing to show for it and almost no actually relationship progression. He is no closer now then her was after the end of volume 1.

If anyone had a friend that went through the same, everyone would be telling that friend that the girl ain't worth it, to kick her to the curb and go for someone else. That they are just being taken for granted and being taken advantage of.

So as my AniEx Waifu Wars compatriots would say "IN THE TRASH" with Chizuru. For me now it's all about TEAM MINI!!!

Don't really have anywhere else to post this and I just wanted to vent some frustrations.

I finished the current anime season and then read to chapter 430 in the manga, so I'm speaking from that.

Maybe my views are warped or something? I don't know. But some common complaints I've seen that I just flat out disagree with:

1. There's no progress and constant resets. Are the people saying this oblivious or something? There's constant progress and I've yet to see one real reset at all, just some roadblocks. Are they just mad they're not boinking already or something? It's pretty clear virtually everything happens for a good reason (they even constantly show flashbacks to every single important moment). Maybe I'm just naive? I don't know. But this is my number one complaint? How the hell is there no progression? All I see is progress. It's been one long story that's told a linear narrative. Everyone has progressed. Some a lot, some a little. Even the romance has definitely progressed. I just don't freakin' get it.

2. So and so is just being delusional and cruel or something to that affect. It shouldn't take this long, etc

Now, this one really bugs me. It's fictional. It's a comedy. It's not real life. It's not realistic. I see people constantly applying real life logic to everything and it's frankly weird. Like, holding Kazuya being a hornball against him (which, save for certain specific moments, is usually just stupid comedy relief and fan service), or complaining about his red flags and such. He's a cartoon character, for crying out loud. Same goes for Chizuru in the opposite direction. She's being indecisive and maybe too cruel, but she seems pretty aware of it, and again, things happen for a reason. Ruka is a whole bag of worms! She's practically a walking talking trope. Hell, the whole story is full of common misunderstanding as a story mechanisms that almost every romantic comedy anime ever has had.

Anyways, they're not real, it's not real life. That logic just doesn't work, IMO.

3. What I think might be misinterpretations of story length vs real life length

I think people, especially manga readers, just get annoyed because time has practically slowed to a crawl in the manga, where days take real life months to play out and such. I think that leads to at least some people having their view on time in the series get a little warped, and readers getting real frustrated.

One complaint I do definitely get though, is that stuff is way too elongated. It IS frustrating, but it is what it is, and I'm probably a little biased because I read nearly a decade's worth in a span of a few days, but still.

I just don't get how glacial pacing and the other stuff turns this into "trash" or "on the level of reality TV" or whatever other common things people say.

Is it going on too long? Yeah probably. I still like it!

Anyways, I just wanted to vent. I'm an old guy, and sometimes I just think I'm real out of touch with modern anime fandom or something.

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It seems the fans are evenly split on this whether Kibe is a genuinely good friend or an awful menace, and I’m curious to know how many of us would be friends with Kibe if he beat you up in public twice?

I’m someone who rolled my eyes when Kibe punched Kazuya at the beach over the latter’s willingness to get back with Mami. I know the argument in favor of Kibe’s actions is that he was trying to prevent Kazuya from going back to a super toxic relationship that destroyed him the first time around. I know many will also say that the young people in this series are mostly in their earliest 20s and this is normal behavior for young men this age. We’ve been saying, “boys will be boys” for how many generations now? I do not agree or disagree with this as I believe boys will do whatever we as a society will let them get away with and this type of behavior is something we don’t just let them get away with but often encourage. 🤷🏽‍♀️ This is also a silly series that’s all about the drama and this scene certainly brought the drama.

But then you get to the Paradise Arc! >!Mami finally brings everything crashing down in front of everyone IN PUBLIC and rather than wait for an answer and using words, Kibe completely decks Kazuya just like when they were at the beach all those many moons ago!<

Maybe it’s because I’m in my 30s and/or maybe it’s because I’m a girly-girl, but there’s no way my best friend is going to punch me for all their worth twice and our friendship is remaining in tact. I fully understand that the ongoing lie regarding the relationship is truly terrible on many levels, but a physical reaction was still not necessary. From my point of view, Kibe’s inability to respond and his violent, physical reaction shows that he’s incredibly immature, even for a 21-year-old. I don’t think there’s anything noble about this. I do realize this is a fictional pierce of work, but my goodness.

I will say this, though - he is an amazing friend to Nagomi-san. I think I started forming this opinion in seasons 3 of the anime (I’m currently only watching the anime). Kibe clearly loves Nagomi-san, and I think he’s much more attached to her than he is to Kazuya. I don’t know if he’s subconsciously adopted her as his grandmother or what, but I believe if this was a series where the character actually reflect on themselves and make efforts to grow/mature, Kibe would eventually have to admit that he’s not actually Kazuya’s friend, he’s just there out of an obligation/seeing the relationship through after years of commitment.

Would you honestly remain friends with Kibe if he punched you seriously not once but twice? Please answer for yourself - either your present self or a younger version of you.