
r/KingCrimson

What's with the "Double" Duo/Trio/Quartet thing?
I get Double Trio as that is a standard 3-piece rock band but twice over.
How did the TCoL/TPtB-era get the name of "Double Duo" from pretty standard 4-piece band instrumentation and which are the Quartets in the Double Quartet?? At least one of em has 2 drummers!
I love the music throughout the eras of the band I was just curious how this label kept sticking around
Let's discuss, who was the best lyric writer for King Crimson
Was it:
Peter Sinfield
Richard Palmer-James
John Wetton (as far as I'm aware the only lyrics he wrote that were performed in studio was One More Red Nightmare)
Adrian Belew
Margaret Belew (writer of Two Hands)
Tony Levin (writer of The King Crimson Barber Shop)
Robert Fripp (writer of the words on Coda: Marine 475)
Jakko Jakszyk
What is, in your opinion, the best lineup in the history of King Crimson?
reddit.comRemain in Light and Discipline: the Belew connexion
There certainly must’ve been something in the air in 1980 to do with Afrobeats, polyrhythmic music, and wild, soaring guitar solos played over them. Anyone familiar with Talking Heads Remain in Light will hear Adrian Belew’s wild playing on The Great Curve (and Listening Wind) for example, and you might even be forgiven for thinking that it sounds something like it’s aping RF’s guitar solos on Bowie’s Scary Monsters of the same year. But let’s not forget also that Adrian had played on Lodger as well. At any rate, my speculation is, does Adrian take this Afrobeat polyrhythmic influence he’s picked up in the air to this new outfit with KC, saying hey we’ve got some really cool things going on in the world of polyrhythms, unusual expressive percussion, some great following to play over fundamental groove music, etc. Does anyone believe there could be a connection here that Adrian took some of these ideas and carried them forward to work on them with Levin and Bruford, and here is where RF sees an opportunity to turn it into some demented exercise of working out 19/20 time signatures etc?
This is sheer speculation of course, I have no idea if this theory has any merit. Has anyone else wondered if there’s a connection between what was happening in this sequence of albums among these artists in this circle of embracing Afrobeat and polyrhythmic styles from 1979 to 1981?
Why “Providence” for Red?
I’ve been listening to a lot of the improv rounds that the band played around the time that Red was being made and they were touring, and I honestly think they did a great job with “The Golden Walnut”, “Journey to the Centre of the Cosmos”, and other improvs, and I was kinda surprised to learn that Providence was just another one of those live sessions that they just so happened to throw on the album. But… why that track specifically? I’m guessing they were short of material for the album but even then, I wish they swapped Providence for one of the other improv parts of a live act.
Can you tell I don’t really like Providence?
Edit: wouldn’t this technically make Red partly a live album, like how the Wikipedia page of “Starless and Bible Black” is listed as a part studio part live album?
What is King Crimson to you in your life as of right now?
For me, their songs have been surprisingly therapeutic for me as im going through a pretty rough break up as of right now. Epitaph and I Talk to the Wind in particular speak to my aching heart 🤌
BEAT taking down proshoot videos??
it looks like the official BEAT youtube channel have taken down the previously uploaded performances of thela, neal and jack, frame, and elephant talk. not sure why they’d be doing this, maybe just a clean slate for the upcoming tour’s content? always felt the mixes/recordings were lacking a little anyway, but it was nice to see the HD performances without forking out for the blu ray.
I forgot to upload these on here yesterday
My paintings to congratulate the birthday of Fripp!
Happy 56th Anniversary to In The Wake of Poseidon
This is personally one of my favorite albums by the band and of all time. May say it’s just a cheap knockoff of court but I see it as something different. I think it offers a great moment in the bands history where they took the old ways of court and the new experimentation that would lead to Lizard, and created something that merged the two, while paving a path for the future.
Peace a Beginning is a nice and cool intro to the album, it’s a soft and almost ethereal poem that gets more human “sounding” closer to the end, which then just with a crash as the best track comes into frame. Overall, the peace suite really feels like it ties the tonal whiplash from each track together, so that it feels like a whole picture of a world falling part due to the many failings presented in the songs.
This can be seen in the artificial, sterile and sinful world and lives we live in with Pictures of a City depicting the blinding and nauseating existence of city life and the vices it offers that disconnects us from the real and natural world with meaning. This is clearly seen in the heavy yet polished sound the song had which opposes Schizoids man chaotic nature. I really like Fripp putting his guitar multiple parts on top of each other as well as making A Man a City a more complete yet more engaging song with its many fast and slow moments. I also think his guitar playing just before the last verse foreshadows the future to his more atmospheric playing later on.
Cadence and Cascade deals with the lack of meaning and intimacy in sex, which I also saw as someone retreating into their dreams after being dissatisfied with their real life and the real world as it falls apart. I remember T.S Elliot said something in the Waste Land to the effect of “the nymphs (of intimate and meaningful relationships) have departed, now replaced by sex workers who serve to fulfill a fleeting desire that has no value or greater meaning. Despite such a message, it sounds much more wispy, gentle, and dreamy as opposed to Winds solemn and reflective sound and depressively self-aware meaning. The piano, flute, and Celeste playing on this makes the song feel more magical and gentle, with the acoustic guitar making it feel oddly cozy.
The title track depicts the subjects of this world all caught up in their own moral failings with the either being to close to their emotions and lacking logical reasoning, or to close to their thinking and lacking emotional understanding of each other. The last few minutes serve as a realization that both are needed in order to traverse and interact with this fallen world and its inhabitants, feeling like a revelation or enlightenment before finding peace in Peace: a theme. I like how epic and fantastical this track sounds in comparison to Epitaphs bombastic durge sound. The mellotron on the title track is just as if not more powerful than on Epitaphs, but the guitar, bass and vocals serving as gentle yet powerful additions of character while the drums are heavy and discordant that underscores that ambiance in the best way possible. The instrumental break is meditative and calm before the mellotrons and drums swell to the final verse and outro where we get this sound of revelation that resolves the song with a shifting climax.
Cat food is a track I point to that showcases the early lizard sound coming into frame. It’s a humorous take on how food is becoming artificial and losing meaning and connection with the real, natural world. I love Lakes humorous tone on this track as it also foreshadows songs like the sheriff, Benny the bouncer, and other songs from ELP. The acoustic and electric guitars, the bass, discordant piano all complement the song well with the I believe guitar sound that sounds like a blaring horn and Greg’s laugh setting up a song with amusing character that later develops into ambience that makes me think of Riders on the Storm for some reason.
The Devil’s Triangle is an epic arrangement that perverts and re-imagines Mars: Bringer of War without making it sound redundant while also making it sound heavier and more chaotic in the best way. I love how this song pushes the mellotron to its absolute limit with every part of this song getting more and more chaotic as it goes. This feels like a precursor to the last skirmish section of the battle of glass tears. To me, the Devils Triangle is the world of the album building and building up to a schism of devastating proportions only for this world to destroy itself in a tense back and forth between emotions and thinking, between the natural and artificial world and traits of humanity, until in the breakdown of cataclysmic destruction, create something new and find peace at the very end, bringing together the masculine and demon energies and all other opposing yet complementary forces of life.
This leads into Peace an end that sends off the album in a satisfying conclusion. I love how it combines both aspects of the previous peace tracks, that also gets more and more ethereal as it ends which harkens back to the way in which Peace a beginning, well begins.
There’s also Groon which I take as the post credit scene of the album that also serves as the early early roots for Lizards emergence and its tonal shifts that was coming into being as seen on side two of the album.
The cover is also very cool, as it not only serves as depictions for each character in the title track, but also shows the many traits and personalities that clash to create something new. It helps that the painting that the album suits for its cover is called “The 12 faces of humanity.” This is just my intellectual interpretation of the album and its tracks for its 56th Anniversary. I mainly pulled from my thoughts on the album as well as Peter Sinfeilds own interpretation from his cite songsouponsea, tho you’ll have to use the wayback machine to look at it since it’s been taken down sometime after his death. Let me know what you think of the album and its songs, I’d love to hear and engage with your thoughts. That is all.
Best sounding recording with Jamie Muir
What in your opinion is the best sounding live recording of King Crimson featuring Jamie Muir (end of 1972 to early 1973). I’ve heard the Zoom one and it’s great, but the audio quality is not. I know that there’s a wealth of awesome sounding live recordings of that band without Muir from late 1973 and 1974, so I’m wondering if there’s anything that I’m missing out on
Mi segundo suéter tejido a crochet de king crimson
mucha gente me pregunta si vendo mis tejidos, y si, lo hago. Este ya está vendido, cualquier consulta me preguntan por interno. ¡Muchas gracias por todo el apoyo!
Robert Fripp about Infinite Music! Happy 80th birthday Mr. Fripp! May Go...
youtube.comRobert Fripp sells his first guitar
“Boy’s guitar, as new, £4” reads an ad curiously placed in the middle of ad for nurses in the Bournemouth Daily Echo in December 1958.
Twelve-year-old Robert Fripp of Wimborne Minster is selling his very first guitar, an Egmond Frères, a Christmas gift from the previous year for what, adjusted for inflation, would now be about £83. The ad was later run in the correct section; there is also an ad from Fripp’s guitar teacher Don Strike with stringed instruments for sale.
A 1957 Christmas ad promoting musical instruments for sale at Minns of Bournemouth, where the guitar was originally purchased.
Doctor Diamond is such an underrated great song.
No matter how many times I listen to it, I always find myself saying "It's such a shame this never went to studio", and frankly, it's a shame that the only Multitrack recording we have of it is from one of it's worst performances, and also one of the last times they played it. I get the fact that Wetton had to sing faster than One More Red Nightmare on the first two verses, but it was just such a good song that I could have looked past it. What is probably the truest reason why it never went to Studio is it was still unfinished during the sessions for SABB, and Cross wasn't with King Crimson anymore when it came to Red, so either they'd have to figure out something alternate to Cross's violin playing, which while this was done for Starless, I don't think it would have worked as well for Doctor Diamond.
There's very little video of them playing it, but what little there is, I have edited together here. I have slightly blown out the contrast of the asianonetap video because, without that, the concert is barely visible at all.
What's your opinion of Doctor Diamond? Is it good? Is it actually terrible? What is the best performance in your opinion (Mainz is not an option here, unless that's the only version you've heard). I think possibly their best performance is actually Richards Club, do you agree?
(Original video links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZQrnFr9Epc, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gOG0Rn4QsY, all credit to Classic Rock Media Archive and asianonetap for the sources)
In The Wake Of The Crimson King
side 1
"Peace – A Beginning" 0:51
"21st Century Schizoid Man" 7:24
"Cadence and Cascade" 4:35
"Epitaph" 8:49
22 minutes
side 2
"Peace – A Theme" (instrumental) 1:15
"Pictures of a City (including "42nd at Treadmill")" 7:57
"I Talk to the Wind" 6:04
"In the Wake of Poseidon (including "Libra's Theme")" 8:24
23 minutes
SIDE 3
"Moonchild" 12:13
"Cat Food" 4:52
"Groon" 3:36
21 minutes
SIDE 4
"The Devil's Triangle" 11:30
"The Court of the Crimson King 9:26
"Peace – An End" 1:54
23 minutes
total: 89 minutes