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After finding out that Ambrose, Auri, Devi, Bast, and most of the mystery of the archives were not planned from the start, it now makes sense why there’s such a delay in Book 3.

After finding out that Ambrose, Auri, Devi, Bast, and most of the mystery of the archives were not planned from the start, it now makes sense why there’s such a delay in Book 3.

These characters are pretty much the bulk of the story and he came up with them on the fly.

He’s probably struggling to figure out what to do with them since they weren’t intended for the endgame. Now his options are: Give them nothing and make them irrelevant, or try to work them into the finale without them feeling shoehorned in.

I still think it’s possible for him to do, but it definitely can’t be easy.

u/SecondRedditAccount4 — 11 days ago

Is the manuscript too long? Because...

Ive heard the main problem with doors of stone is that its just too long. If thats the main problem, I doubt anyone would be disappointed im a book twice as long as whats deemed appropriate. Id pay double for a ridiculously long doors of stone. Any thoughts?

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u/Suspicious_Extreme95 — 12 days ago

When is Rothfuss going to release… a song?

Just thought it was funny Google auto populated a section labeled Songs: ______

What kind of music do y’all think he’d make?

Anyways - back to regularly scheduled waiting for book 3.

u/Laws_of_Coffee — 13 days ago

Kvothe’s first performance at the Eolian

I was just listening to NOTW while at work today and the chapter before his performance for his pipes at the Eolian, Sim asks him when he’s going to try for his pipes and Kvothe says “this morning..” he then invites Sim or asks if he’s going and then they part ways and he heads to the roof on top of Mains to play for Auri and he meets with Will and Sim the next day. They go to the show and during his conversation with Stancheon, Stancheon tells Kvothe that they wait until the sun goes down before they start the music. Is this just a typo or am I missing something?

Side note: another thing I noticed that I didn’t the first 870 times I read/listened to this book. During Kvothe and Will’s conversation about the medica where Will is explaining how it works because Kvothe has to go there after getting whipped. Will doesn’t know the Aturan word for “balance” in Cealdish it’s “Shehyn” - I was listening to it so he said it the same as the head of the Adem school Kvothe attends in book 2. Just some cool foreshadowing that I found.

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u/No_Antelope7594 — 11 days ago

3rd time through WMF...feeling grief in the last few chapters.

This is my 3rd time through Wise Man's Fear. First time listening to it on audible. Really enjoyed it, hits different. But I am sad, feels like I have just spent the last month with a good friend and now we can't hang out anymore.

Might have to start it all again and pick up Name of the Wind on Audible. So, so beautiful.

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u/inhumancondition — 11 days ago

Maybe he is just a lucky idiot

Randomly today I remembered this series after a decade and was like oh that third book must be out. I go look and nope. I remember 10+ years ago he was making bullshit excuses about his family or whatever. Maybe it’s time to admit he’s not a good author and he just got lucky with the first two books? It doesn’t make the books bad, it just means he can not reproduce his luck and make the third book any good because he sucks as an author. He’s the renaissance fair know it all book nerd who thinks he’s actually good and now he can’t produce when he needs to. 10+ years and nothing…at this point I’d guess it never releases or it’s going to make the shitty game of thrones ending look like the best ending of all time.

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I guess it’s like this….you’ve got companies that dig for oil and have entire processes and plans, etc. to find oil. Then you have someone who gets lucky and finds oil in their backyard. It’s still oil and it’s still valuable even though it’s a lucky find, but expecting that lucky person to just go stumble on another load of oil is incredibly unlikely.

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u/reddit_7654 — 11 days ago

So haliax is like a Iax possession/agent/whatever right?

So I just watched a bunch of theory videos including ones all about the chandrian and creation wars etc. (shoutout to the channel capturedinwords). Now I haven’t watched all of them but I’m surprised I haven’t heard more discussion of the depiction of Haliax on the vase, specifically the meaning of the moons and the mirror. So Iax obviously stole the moon and the mirror is probably that Iax is mirrored in Haliax. If haliax is trying to open the door it’s to free Iax. The video mentions the breath of Iax thing but the vase seems the dead giveaway.

Sorry if this is old news, I’ve read the series probably a dozen times over idk 15 years and I’ve never dug into the lore really.

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u/FixationOfTheDay — 12 days ago

Why Valaritas?

Studying the sleeping barrow kings right now. The Barrows are a Vintish thing. We will even be introduced to/told about one, Feyda Calanthis, in book three. The Barrows. Are. A. Vintish. Tradition.

Why in the chicken fried f*** is there a barrow (of Valaritas) behind the four-plate door in Fela's dream, in the University, in the Commonwealth, hundreds of miles from Vintas?

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u/Logical-Ad-326 — 13 days ago

Pessoas que sabem o nome da água poderiam respirar embaixo da água?

Eu estou no começo do segundo livro, ainda não terminei, mas eu vi a parte que elxa dal coloca a mão no fogo e não se queima, afinal ele sabia o nome do fogo, então alguém que sabe o nome da água poderia entrar na água sem se afogar? Ou também conseguir tocar na água sem se molhar, podendo sair na chuva sem se molhar mesmo as gotas tocando nela

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u/dante7502 — 12 days ago

I summarized and simplified How Old Holly Came to Be

There was wood, which grew next to a tower made all of stone, in a stream. A Lady arrived who tended the garden and burned the other trees in the tower. The holly grew and provided shade. The Lady leaned on, climbed, and slept in the holly.

There was a light and dark man. They were together under the holly. The man spoke, taught, and sang to the Lady. The two of them left the tower together. The garden grew out of control. It was no longer a garden. The tower did not change, but it remained there. The holly did not change, it remained there. The Lady returned.

The Lady cut a branch from the holly for a crown. She cleared the vines and made a garden once again. She wept and wept beneath the holly and the moon. Later, sitting beneath the holly, she sang. She sang and wept. She sang one last time and went away. The holly changed.

The holly changed but stayed there. The Lady returned to the tower and returned to tend the garden. She sat in the holly and read. There was day and night, seasons, rain... Squirrels, fish... the Lady fished, laughed...

The Lady sprained her ankle. She sang to the holly and it listened and bent to make a walking stick for her. The Lady climbed to the highest branches, pricked herself on the leaves, and fell. The holly bent to catch her. The Lady smiled, but there was blood on her hands. She saw it, laughed, and sang. She told the holly, she spoke to the holly, she sang to the holly. The Lady was afraid. She looked at the water of the stream, looked into the sky, listened to the wind, but she was afraid. The Lady spoke to the holly and placed a hand upon it. It leaned. She took a breath and sang to the holly, which grew, took root, and more hollies grew. They grew along the river, but also around the tower.

She sang and they were one, and around her, more hollies grew. With the holly, she covered the tower from the sky and hid it. The Lady looked at the holly and they tended to the new one.

The old holly watched the land across the stream, but knew its place was there. The wind blew against it, crashing its branches against the tower. The Lady came down with it and saw smoke in the distance and shapes moving across the hills. They were great black wolves with mouths of fire and half-bird men transformed after bending. The worst was that there was a shadow made to look like a man. The ground it touched grew sick. The Lady hid behind the old holly. The shadows approached.

The holly bent towards her and she turned it into a man by singing its name. The Lady sang the name of the new holly and it became a spear.

The old holly crossed the stream and fought. It pinned the wolves to the earth, it separated the men from their bird part. Finally, it fought against the shadow, drove a spear into it, anchored it to the earth, and watched it howl, burn, and die. Afterwards, Old Holly returned to the tower. The Lady smiled and sang to it, wept upon seeing its wounds, and healed it.

Afterwards, she said she had to leave, but that she would return. The old holly helped her cross the stream and wanted to go with her. She refused. The old holly must guard the tower for her return. The old holly stood beside the tower. Its Lady entered the tower, came out, and said goodbye to it.

The old holly bent and made a walking stick, it bent again and made a crown, and becoming a man, stroked her cheek. The Lady laughed, wept, and left.

The old holly remained. The tower remained. The summer left, the winter left, the garden left. The tower left. The stream left. The old holly remained.

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So... many theories can be discussed. But I wanted to take a look at some important details:

- The Old Holly is always characterized as He/him.

- The Lady seems to have bad luck... Maybe she is Lady Luckless

- Who is the man at the beggining? He is described as light and dark... Maybe Lanre controlled by Iax? Before being Haliax.

- There was a moon over the garden (so either the garden was in the human realm, either the story started before fae realm existed or after Iax stole part of the moon)

- The lady got her hands covered in blood. So she is an Amyr... The Holly made her Amyr.

- The wolves with mouths of fire are presumably other Amyr/Selitos facton? Did Holly make them mortal?

- The half men half birds were angels. Did Holly link them to the sky?

- The shadow-man is obviouslly Haliax. He can't die but the narrator says so... Maybe he revives.

- What annoys me the most is that it seems that Amyr, Chandrian and Angels are working together against "the garden"

- At the end everything left. So there is no way it is the human realm.

- The lady left and did not come back. Where did she go?

So many questions. No answers. Leave your opinion on this story. I would love to read new ideas or theories.

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u/BOT__juan — 13 days ago