Is there an actual sex component to the murders? He was picking up escorts I suppose for the ease of it and less lineage back to him. But was there actual sex happening or was it explcitly the murder/torture? I haven't heard anything about that specificity in the documentaries I've seen or any conversation here. (I'm kind of new here anyway)
Is this person connected to the gilgo beach serial killings? His identity is still a mystery. Found in womens dressing and cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head. And also was very young when died, approximately 17-25/30 years.Everyone are trying hard to get his name back. His ethnicity is said to be han chinese. I am not from US and not so familiar with the geography. What do you all think of where this person is he from the long island area?? or some other state??. Many people in here sayin this person might possibly an immigrant?.Will it take more time to identify this person??.I hope Asian John Doe will get his name back when the time comes.
I also thought tanya and baby tatiana was connected to lisk killings but as now some other person is *charged with their deaths. This made me doubt that asian man is not connected to lisk killings too but idk for sure.
What is your opinion on this?
Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann to serve life sentence at Elmira Correctional Facility, records show..
Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann will serve his life sentence at Elmira Correctional Facility, according to a listing added to the state Department of Corrections database Friday.
It was not immediately clear if Heuermann, 62, has been transferred to the facility yet. He was moved June 18 from Suffolk County to Green Haven Correctional Facility for admission procession, a DOC spokesperson said last week.
Authorities at Green Haven were to evaluate his criminal history, security risk, medical status, mental health and program needs, and then use that information to determine which state prison is the best fit for the serial killer.
Elmira Correctional Facility, often referred to as “The Hill,” is a maximum security facility in upstate Elmira, about 60 miles west of Binghamton and more than 270 miles from Heuermann’s hometown of Massapequa Park.
Heuermann was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole last Wednesday. He admitted April 8 to strangling eight women — Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, Amber Lynn Costello, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Jessica Taylor, Sandra Costilla, Valerie Mack and Karen Vergata — and dumping their bodies across Suffolk County, including near Gilgo Beach. The killing spree began in 1993 and continued until 2010.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz1qAIrjzS0
There's a forensic psychologist (Dr. G. Explains) and group of experts who train FBI and military in body language (The Behavior Panel). EXAMPLE ATTACHED
Based on what I've learned from them, there is A LOT going on with "It' during the impact statements, even though it looks like he is unconcerned. His fingers pop during certain testimony, his blink rate becomes rapid when Maureen Brainerd Barnes' family enters the podium, and he can't contain his curiosity and looks at certain family members....but not at others. His facial micro-expressions change.
I would love to have Dr. G Explains and the Behavior Panel analyze "it's" micro expressions and hands during the impact statements. I don't know why they haven't analysed him yet. Maybe they don't realize that so many people are interested in the case. If you have a chance, would you look them up on Youtube and please join me in asking that they analyze "it's" behavior during the impact statements.
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This is Valerie's dad.
Some time has past since the sentencing and life is settling down. Yet there is one thing I feel I need to do yet......forgive Rex Heuermann. I'm not mad or angry at him or wish him any harm in his imprisonment.
What he has done is done; it's behind me in the past. I'm a realist.
I'm not to the point of a 'committed' forgiveness yet. I think more time has to pass and more of God's abundant grace must fill me.
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
*In all your ways acknowledge Him (*give Him the honor He is due),
And He will make your paths straight. Proverbs 3:5-6
God's word is always true.
29 years ago today, the partial remains of a woman who would remain unidentified for decades was found in Hempstead Lake State Park.
Her torso was wrapped in Wamsutta bedding, inside a plastic bag and stuffed into a green Rubbermaid container. She was dismembered- her skull was missing and has never been found. Her arms and legs would be found in a plastic bag a little over a mile and a half away from the Jones Beach Needle, along Ocean Parkway on 4/11/2011.
She would become known as Peaches due to a distinctive Peach tattoo on her left breast.
Peaches would be identified in 2025 as Tanya Denise Jackson.
Genetically matched to a toddler found over 8.5 miles away from her extremities, also along Ocean Parkway, her daughter Tatiana, both would be inextricably linked to the Gilgo Beach murders.
In December 2025, Nassau County indicted Andrew Dykes, the biological father of Tatiana in Tanya’s murder.
While the Gilgo Beach murders progressed through the courts against Rex Heuermann, arriving at some finality with the guilty plea and multiple life sentences for #LISK who would also admit to the murder of Karen Vergata- dismembered the year before in 1996- her skull was found a little over 2 miles from Tanya’s extremities, he would not however admit to Tanya, Tatiana or Asian Doe.
There is very little known publicly about Tanya’s life post-Army. We know that Tatiana was born premature and spent several weeks in NICU and Tanya's (boy) friend Kelvin stayed with Tatiana while Tanya “went to work”. Once Tatiana was released from the hospital, Tanya packed up her 1991 black Geo Storm and drove with her daughter, over 1800 miles, up to Brooklyn, New York. With Andrew Dykes support he secured for her an apartment on 54th street in Sunset Park.
Nassau County officials claim that Tanya may have worked in a medical office of some sort and have asked for information from anyone who may have worked with her or knew her or babysat little Tatiana.
According to Kelvin, Tanya had planned on leaving New York and going home to family in Alabama; a family that was seemingly fractured by accusations, again as per Kelvin, of physical abuse Tanya suffered at the hands of her father.
Nassau County has revealed little information. They claim that Andrew’s “expertise” as an operating room technician gave him the means to execute dismemberment. They imply that Tanya went to NY to be near Andrew gives him the motive to murder because he had a wife and children already.
Nassau County Police Commissioner Patrick Ryder was, not-so-uncharacteristically, verbally aggressive calling Andrew an animal who wasn’t a “man” by not “stepping up” for the child he fathered with Tanya.
Within a week of this production of a press conference, Andrew’s son gave an exclusive interview to Newsday, refuting the claims and informing the public that they all knew of Tanya and Tatiana, she wasn’t the secret Nassau County attempted to portray to the world.
The case against Andrew advances with the next hearing scheduled in late July.
Why are all of these news reports saying he’s been transferred to Clinton Correctional? When according to VineLink he’s being housed at Elmira? Are we not fact checking anymore?
By Tania Lopez
May 3, 2016
In December 2011, as the newly elected Steve Bellone prepared to take over as Suffolk County executive the next month, Bellone and his transition team received an anonymous letter with disturbing information about James Burke, the man he wanted to appoint as the new police chief.
The letter included specific allegations of misconduct and warned Bellone to bypass the ex-Suffolk County police officer and district attorney chief investigator: Burke “was known to frequent prostitutes” and “committed at least one armed home invasion” to retrieve a service weapon stolen from him by a prostitute. He interfered with an Internal Affairs investigation into an officer accused of assault. He used damaging information gleaned from a wiretap as leverage to control Bellone’s predecessor, Steve Levy. And he “threatens subordinates with forced transfers, and tells them he is untouchable and that they have no protection and that he will ruin their career forever.”
The letter, which was obtained by Newsday and has not been reported to the public until now, indicates it was written by “dedicated hard working members” of the Suffolk Police Department. Those officers did not want Bellone “to be embarrassed or caught up in a scandal over the dealings” of Burke.
Bellone, in an interview Tuesday, acknowledged that he received and read the letter in December 2011. The letter “seemed crazy to me, honestly,” Bellone said. “It didn’t seem believable to me.”
Despite the ominous warning, Bellone appointed Burke in January 2012 as Suffolk Police’s chief of department, where he commanded 2,400 sworn officers.
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Burke held that position during a tumultuous four-year tenure beset by the type of scandal predicted by the author of the anonymous letter. Burke left office in October 2015, less than two months before federal investigators arrested him on charges stemming from his assault of Christopher Loeb, a Smithtown man who had stolen a duffel bag from Burke’s department vehicle.
Burke, 51, has since pleaded guilty to violating Loeb’s civil rights and to orchestrating a departmental cover-up of the crime. Under the terms of the plea deal, Burke will face anywhere from 3 years and 5 months to 4 years and 3 months in prison, a term that is within suggested federal sentencing guidelines for the crimes. Had he been convicted at trial, Burke could have faced up to 20 years.
Newsday has reported that the federal investigation has not ended with Burke and has extended to the district attorney’s office, where Burke worked for nearly a decade before becoming the top uniformed officer in the county.
Burke’s downfall, and the existence of the 2011 letter warning that his appointment would lead to scandal, raise questions about Bellone’s decision to select Burke and his failure to remove him amid mounting evidence that Burke was bringing disgrace to the department.
Bellone publicly supported Burke despite a 2013 Newsday report on a 1995 Internal Affairs investigation that Burke, while a police officer, had engaged in sexual relations with a prostitute in his patrol car. And Bellone continued to support Burke as Newsday published more than a dozen stories concerning the allegations of Burke’s assault of Loeb and the subsequent federal investigation.
Bellone, in the five months since his former police chief was arrested, has repeatedly declined Newsday’s attempts to interview him about Burke. Bellone agreed to talk on the record only after he was informed that the newspaper intended to publish a story about the 2011 anonymous letter.
Bellone said he brought the letter to Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota, who had employed Burke since 2002 as his chief investigator. Spota and Burke’s relationship spans decades — Burke was 14 when Spota, as an assistant prosecutor, used Burke as his key witness to testify in the 1979 murder of 13-year-old John Pius, of Smithtown.
“‘Absolutely not. It’s all B.S.,’” Bellone said Spota told him of the allegations against Burke in the letter. “He said, ‘We investigated all that stuff. It’s all B.S.’”
Spota mentioned that he had written his own letter refuting the allegations against Burke, Bellone said, and offered to send it to the incoming county executive to allay his concerns. Bellone said he accepted the offer but doesn’t recall whether Spota ever sent the letter to him.
“I don’t remember getting the letter,” Bellone said. “I don’t remember seeing the letter.”
Regardless, Bellone said he believed Spota and “that was the end of the issue.”
He said he never bothered to discuss the allegations with Burke because Spota had reassured him.
“No. I brought it directly to Spota,” Bellone said.
Bellone did not answer whether he felt misled by Spota.
He said he also relied on a recommendation from Suffolk County Democratic Party chairman Rich Schaffer, who originally introduced him to Burke.
Newsday has reported that Bellone and Schaffer — political allies who were once considered close friends — have been at odds for the past few years.
“He was being vouched for by the most credible people in our government and in our party,” Bellone said of Burke.
Spota did not respond to a request for an interview. His spokesman, Robert Clifford, flatly denied in an email sent to Newsday Thursday that Spota had reassured Bellone about Burke’s Internal Affairs file or vouched for his character. “The district attorney did no such thing,” Clifford wrote.
Clifford did not address whether Spota had seen or discussed the anonymous letter with Bellone but offered that Spota had never reviewed Burke’s Internal Affairs file: “Any claim to the contrary is entirely false.”
(Newsday reported in January that law-enforcement sources say Christopher McPartland, Spota’s division chief of investigations, requested Burke’s Internal Affairs files from police headquarters in December 2011, after Bellone had decided to appoint Burke. It’s unclear whether McPartland ever received the files, a source said, but his request would have occurred during the same month that Bellone received the anonymous letter.)
Schaffer said in an interview Thursday that shortly after Bellone was elected, Burke asked for an introduction to Bellone. Schaffer said he arranged the meeting but did so without telling Spota, who would have wanted Burke to remain in the district attorney’s office, Schaffer said.
“Steve met with [Burke] at his house for two or three hours,” Schaffer said. “Steve called me and said that he loved him and was very happy with him.”
Schaffer said he remembers seeing the anonymous letter but told Bellone that Burke was “a good guy.” He said he now regrets that he ever introduced Burke to Bellone.
“I’m very disappointed in what he [Burke] did and yeah, I’m sorry that I did introduce him because if all those things were true at the time, they should have been made public,” Schaffer said.
Less than two years after Bellone received the anonymous letter, Newsday published a story in October 2013 about the Internal Affairs probe into Burke’s sexual relationship with Lowrita Rickenbacker, a felon with a history of prostitution arrests.
The 1995 IA report, which Newsday made available online, found Burke guilty of conduct unbecoming an officer for twice failing to safeguard his weapon, engaging in sexual acts in police vehicles and having a sexual relationship with Rickenbacker, “a convicted felon known to be actively engaged in criminal conduct including the possession and sale of illegal drugs, prostitution and larceny.”
Bellone stood behind the embattled police chief, issuing a public statement that Burke “was promoted seven times under three administrations, oversaw investigations for District Attorney Spota, and he has also received 45 commendations for outstanding service.”
Bellone said Tuesday that he didn’t even realize that the Rickenbacker probe was the incident referred to in the anonymous letter.
“I didn’t connect the Rickenbacker story to that conversation I had with Tom Spota two years before, or that letter,” Bellone said. “The Rickenbacker story came out, and obviously no one was happy about it.”
Bellone said Burke “defended himself” when he asked him about the Internal Affairs report.
“He said he never pled to anything, that he never agreed to any of the charges. He was given a small penalty at the time, and he was done from there. And he had a successful career until the time I came in,” Bellone said. “So, despite the story not being a great story, it was still, you know, something that happened 20 years before. It didn’t reflect anything that was apparent to me in his career.”
The details of Burke’s past relationship with a prostitute came as federal authorities were investigating allegations that Burke had assaulted Loeb, the Smithtown man who stole a duffel bag from the chief’s department vehicle.
Bellone said Burke convinced him that the newspaper stories were simply an effort by disgruntled enemies to ruin his reputation and “drag him down.”
“The frame in which this was being put is that there were people out to get Burke and the DA and that it’s part of an effort to ruin his reputation from people in the department who were passed over” for promotions, Bellone said.
Bellone said Burke admitted he went to Loeb’s house and then to the precinct where Loeb was being held. But Burke said he never assaulted Loeb and only “congratulated the men” who arrested the person who stole the duffel bag from his SUV. Bellone said he believed Burke’s account.
Late last year, Bellone said he learned something that finally changed his opinion of Burke. He declined to explain what it was but said it had nothing to do with the federal investigation.
Bellone said he summoned Burke to his office on Oct. 27 and during that meeting Burke again lied to him about assaulting Loeb.
Later that day, Bellone told the public that he and Burke had “mutually agreed” that Burke should resign. In reality, Bellone said Burke tried to keep his job but Bellone fired him.
“I believed that he had lied to me about Loeb and he continued to deny it,” Bellone said. He said he fired Burke despite objections from officials within his administration who were concerned about making such a high- profile decision with the election only days away. Bellone was ultimately re-elected.
Bellone said he never imagined that appointing Burke — who had been highly recommended by lawyers, judges and the district attorney — would lead to federal investigations and one of the biggest scandals in the county’s history.
“I was impressed with him personally,” Bellone said. “His record, his resume, his vision for the department. And he was highly recommended by people that were very well-respected and trusted.”
The anonymous letter he received from strangers before taking office said otherwise. But the people whose advice he trusted told him to ignore the allegations because they were false, he said.
“Clearly the information I received was inaccurate,” Bellone said.
Hi all! In the time I’ve followed this case, I have always had the impression that Kolker’s Lost Girls book was sort of the gold standard in both covering the background of the case, and telling a very human and sympathetic portrait of the victims. Kolker is obviously frequently cited in material about the case, and I’ve heard him interviewed a number of times. (I know that Jaclyn Gallucci is another journalist who was pivotal in drawing attention to the case and made a concerted effort to be extremely respectful to the victims as well, but my specific question is about Kolker and his book.)
I personally thought the book was fantastic, but obviously didn’t know the victims personally and have no connection to their loved ones. I always had the (apparently erroneous) impression that the victims’ loved ones liked Kolker and were happy about the book and its coverage.
But I feel like more recently, I’ve seen it mentioned by several victims’ family members and friends that they take specific umbrage with Kolker and think he misrepresented things in the book. I haven’t heard specifics, though, and am wondering if folks might know what specific aspects are in dispute or misrepresented? Not asking for any inside info or anything that families wouldn’t want shared at all, but if there are points that the families/friends feel that Kolker got wrong, I’m wondering if that would be shareable, if only so folks in this thread don’t keep repeating narratives from the book taking them as fact, if the victims’ loved ones feel they are wrong.
Gilgo Beach killings: Investigators renewing efforts to identify remains of Asian victim found in 2011..
Prosecutors are renewing their push to identify an Asian man whose remains are considered part of the Gilgo Beach homicide investigation, Suffolk District Attorney Ray Tierney said.
In the aftermath of convicted Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex A. Heuermann’s sentencing last week to life in prison without the possibility of parole, Tierney told Newsday that investigators plan to visit Asian communities in the New York City region, seeking DNA samples to help identify the man whose skeletal remains were discovered near Ocean Parkway in 2011.
"We're trying to identify that individual through investigative genetic genealogy, which means we’ve got to get more information about the gene pool," Tierney told Newsday in an interview following the Wednesday sentencing. "Once you know who the person is, you could go back to their life at the last point, just before them disappearing, and develop leads from there."
Search to ID 'Asian Doe'
Remains of the man, who prosecutors refer to as "Asian Doe," were found east of Gilgo Beach on April 4, 2011, although he is believed to have been dumped there at least five years earlier.
Investigators have said the man, who died of blunt force trauma, was clad in women's clothing, an indication that he might have been a sex worker.
In 2024, Suffolk investigators published two reconstructions of his face — one showing him with long hair and the other with shorter cropped hair.
Despite wide publicity of the sketches, particularly in Asian media, the leads investigators received weren’t successful and to date prosecutors haven't been able to identify him or locate relatives, Tierney said.
"We're going to go into Asian communities and ask them, ‘Will you give us a DNA sample? Will you participate in this study, so we can get more genetic profiles to allow us to hopefully locate relatives of this individual?’ ” said Tierney, who previously told Newsday that the man may have come from the city's Asian immigrant community rather than Long Island.
Tierney's office said the identification campaign will commence in the coming weeks, with investigators fanning out to Chinatown in Manhattan, Flushing in Queens, and Sunset Park, Bath Beach and Dyker Heights, all three in Brooklyn. They’ll be joined by members of the NYPD’s Community Affairs Division, the Asian Jade Society and by staff from local police precincts, officials said.
Flyers will be distributed in various translations, and investigators, with the help of translators, will speak to residents, said Tania Lopez, a spokeswoman for Tierney's office. Investigators, she said, will have DNA kits on hand for individuals who consent to contribute their samples.
"We hope these efforts will assist law enforcement in not only identifying Asian Doe, but any Asian unidentified human remains," Lopez said.
Challenging endeavor
The identification effort is considered more challenging because Asian populations have their own genealogy system and don't contribute in large numbers to public DNA search sites, hurting the chances of getting a good genetic comparison, said Colleen Fitzpatrick, a nationally known genealogist with Identifinders in California.
"I think there'll be plenty of people that will be cooperative [with the effort] and there's going to be some people that just don't trust the whole thing," Fitzpatrick said. "It's not really mistrust though. It's more that some people are just not familiar with what they're trying to do. The younger people might not care and would be willing to help, and the older people might not understand the whole DNA system."
Asian Doe is believed to be between 17 and 23 years old and between 5-3 and 5-9 in height. He was found wearing all women’s clothing including a bra, a large Chrysantheme gray ribbed short-sleeve crew neck shirt, a size 10 Rafaella shirt and Bill Blass blue jeans, investigators previously said.
When the sketches were first publicized in September 2024, Tierney said Asian Doe's ancestry was traced through DNA analysis to southern China, specifically to the Han ethnic group, which makes up more than 90% of the Chinese population in China and 97% of the Chinese population in Taiwan, records show.
The use of genetic genealogy led Gilgo Beach homicide investigators to identify the remains in 2020 of Gilgo Beach victim Valerie Mack.
And in 2023, Gilgo investigators revealed that genetic genealogy also was used to confirm the identity of Gilgo victim Karen Vergata, whose remains were found on Fire Island in 1996.
In April, Heuermann, a Massapequa Park resident and Manhattan architect, pleaded guilty to the murders of seven women and admitted killing an eighth, including Mack and Vergata.
The Suffolk County District Attorney's Office has not implicated Heuermann in the death of Asian Doe and members have declined to comment on whether they believe he committed that homicide.
I am a local near Manorville and Riverhead, Long Island. Here are the distances between the Manorville and North Sea sites and the respective gun clubs likely patronized by RH. Extremely close. You can see the street view on Google Maps to see the area.
MANORVILLE
Valerie Mack (2000)
Jessica Taylor (2003)
Driving distance and estimated travel time from the intersection of Halsey Manor Rd & Mill Rd, Manorville, NY 11949 to:
• Peconic River Sportsman Club
389 River Road Manorville , NY 11949
◦ Distance: 2.1 miles
◦ Time: Approx. 5 minutes
• https://maps.app.goo.gl/5ekJxxZBd4uVBCBd8?g_st=ac
NORTH SEA
Sandra Costilla (1993)
Driving distance and estimated travel time from the intersection of Noyack Road & Fish Cove Road North Sea, NY 11968 to :
• North Sea Gun Club, Inc
11 West Neck Rd Southampton , NY 11968
◦ Distance: 2.2 miles
◦ Time: Approx. 3 minutes
• https://maps.app.goo.gl/BcXBvcybeBMv42cx5?g_st=ac
Did the authorities upload the DNA of the LISK to see if it on other potential victims? Some believe there are other victims not yet tied to the LISK.
What's the best source for what happens next, what will his security level be, where is he likely to end up?
He thinks he's going to eat Snickers bars with FBI Profilers who think he's a genius.
He should not receive special treatment of any kind. I hope nothing was promised to him in his plea. He's the type of guy who needs his ass kicked. Smug all the way to the end.
Today we honor the Heavenly Birthday of Mari Gilbert.
There are some souls whose impact cannot be measured by years alone. Mari was one of them.
She was a mother whose love for her children knew no boundaries. When Shannan, disappeared, Mari refused to accept silence. She refused to let her daughter be forgotten. With fierce determination and an unbreakable spirit, she became an advocate not only for Shannan, but for every family searching for answers and every victim whose voice had been stolen.
Mari taught us that love is action. She taught us that ordinary people can challenge institutions, demand accountability, and change the course of history. Her courage helped shine a light that would eventually expose truths hidden for far too long.
Today, we imagine Mari embraced by the Heavens, reunited with Shannan and surrounded by a peace that surpasses all understanding. No longer burdened by grief, no longer searching, but resting in perfect love.
Her voice may be quiet now, but her legacy still speaks.
It speaks through every family that refuses to give up.
Through every advocate who stands beside the forgotten.
Through every person who believes that every life matters and every victim deserves dignity.
So today, and everyday, I honor Mari.
Thank you for your strength.
Thank you for your love.
Thank you for showing the world what a mother's devotion looks like.
Forever remembered.
Forever loved.
Forever a warrior.
The Gilgo Families have created an official Facebook page dedicated exclusively to raising awareness and advancing their unified support for legislation that will close the loopholes in New York's current Son of Sam Law.
This page is administered by the families themselves, and from time to time they may share updates, reflections, and advocacy in their own words. A moderator will help ensure that discussions remain respectful and focused on the mission of supporting victims and promoting meaningful reform.
We encourage anyone who believes in putting victims before profits to follow the page, stay informed, and join the effort to advance A6730. Together, our voices can help ensure that notoriety is never allowed to become a business built upon human suffering.
No one speaks with more authority than a family member.
Elizabeth, Megan Waterman’s aunt, used her Victim Impact Statement to advocate for the passage of #A6730. Her voice represents not only Megan, but the voices of families who have spent years fighting for dignity, accountability, and meaningful change.
These families have endured the unimaginable. They should not have to fight alone.
Their message is simple: close the loophole.
Please stand with these incredible families and help advance #a6730. Information on how you can help, including how to contact your legislators, is pinned to my personal profile.
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