r/MandelaEffect

My understanding was that the Mandela Effect refers to phenomena where the collective recollection differs from the historical record BECAUSE of the way our memory works. So when you say, "that must be the Mandela Effect", does that mean you are admitting your memory must be wrong, or does it mean that you feel your memory is right and the historical record is wrong? Or does it just mean that the two don't match up? Interested in both colloquial definition and actual definition if they vary.

Even the Webster's definition gives room for both. It says: "the experience of many people having the same false memory" but then goes on to explain it was coined by a paranormal researcher which at least implies the term was coined by someone open to alternative explanations and the way a term is most commonly used often becomes its eventual formal definition even if it starts as meaning something else. I think I might be using an outdated definition.

Can somebody please help me that owns this movie!! I watched it for the first time tonight with my boyfriend who’s seen it over 30 times and the bathtub scene was not there! I googled it and it says the scene doesn’t exist. I had a discussion on fb going but as soon as I posted my google search result the comments got shut off before I could ask anyone what time that scene happened because everyone was saying yes it’s in the movie. So if anyone has the movie can you please tell me. It’s really strange my search said no yet my boyfriend searched and it was there. He’s sleeping so I can’t bother him anymore about it but it’s been driving me crazy for the past 2 hours.

Please help

My husband is trying to tell me I am living in a Mandela affect..

I remember a video of Jim Carrey saying something along the lines of "If I return, it won't be me."

Am I CRAZY?? I SWORE I SAW A VIDEO OF HIM SAYING THIS BUT I CAN'T FIND ONE?

1: When i was younger, I had a ds with Mario Kart 7. so I, about 6-8 years old. I tried to jump from the ring of saturn on 3DS Rainbow Road. And instead of Lakitu being annoying and picking me up, I was able to jump from the ring of saturn to the portion where you drive on the moon! And i remember doing this often too! And then when i came back after not playing mk7 for a while, decide to try the shortcut again, and Lakitu decides to pick me up and put me back, me at the time, i was VERY confused. Was this a new found glitch? (side note: i was not aware of ANY unintended shortcuts at the time other than this)

2: This one is more vague, but in Super Mario Odyssey i remember there being a BIG wall in the Wooded Kingdom, that you could scale, well, unintentionally scale. That is cause there was a moon, and painting behind the wall, but no checkpoint

That's all, bye bye!

I am freaking the **** out right now. I used to be musically picky and refused to get into bands with dead musicians, so I didnt even start listening to Nirvana until I was like 22. I briefly got obsessed with Hello Its Me because of That 70s Show when I was 16 way back in 2007 or so, and when I had looked him up I had found out he tragically died at 38 so I never bothered getting into his music like I never bothered with Nirvana til my mid 20s.

HES ALIVE AND WELL NOW!! NEVER DIED!! BULL****!! HE WAS DEAD as **** OR THERES NO REASON ID HAVE AVOIDED GETTING INTO HIS MUSIC FOR SO LONG!!

ANyways it gets freakier, I remember Christine Cavanaugh the voice actress of Chucky in Rugrats dying in 2004 but WIkipedia, Google results, and Google AI all claim she died in 2014. I would've been 23 in 2014, she LITERALLY died while I was in MIDDLE school before I even hit puberty! She literally died in 2004 thats why they had to replace her 2 seasons into Dexter and 7 seasons into Rugrats she literally died a few years after the Yellow Power Ranger we literally all talked about it at SCHOOL long long long before I turned 23 in 2014 when she now *allegedly* died.

3rd one: The actor that played the priest on That 70s Show died and I literally bought a 12 pack of beer and poured one out for the guy. He never died now...

*I* have potentially died, I OD'd on painkillers and have come neardeath at least 8 times. I think you jump timelines when you die, because in the timeline Im from the Fruit of the Loom logo DID have a cornocopia I remember it vididly. Ricky Ricardo DID say "Lucy youve got some splainin to do" me and my grandma quoted it religiously, and I LITERALLY WATCHED the episode of Lassie where Timmy fell down the well that literally doesnt exist anynmore cause he actually fell down a cave. No, it was LITERALLY a well when *I* watched it at 7 years old in 1998.

Anyways all my friends think I'm crazy and the Mendella Effect isn't real. I used to think the same way until it got personal as fuck.

I definately jumped timelines because PS3s originally could play PS1 games, then sometime around 2016 I looked it up cause somebody said they NEVER played PS1 discs and at that point in time it was true despite how they had used to, then a few years later they did just like I had properly recalled but when i looked it up that one year other people were right they never played PS1 discs just like Timmy never fell down the well. But that only lasted a year or so cause they play PS1 discs again now.

I think the scariest thing about the Mandella Effect is I witnessed a timeline where PS3 never played PS1 discs what an awful timeline to be in I'm glad I shifted back whenever that happened.

I just saw the post announcing Guillermo as a contestant for the new season of DWTS except I have a vivid memory of him doing DWTS sometime when I was in middle school/early in high school (2012 - 2014). I remember watching Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy talking about how well Guillermo was doing. He got super healthy and in shape and it was a whole thing.

I could be totally wrong but I can’t find any other show Guillermo was doing during that time period.

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I came from the KÍT-KÁT Universe i remember it had accents but idk if they are the correct ones

I noticed this a couple weeks ago and could not let it go. I love this song. I know it by heart and I sing it (poorly) whenever its on. I also know seether did a fantastic cover of it. Ive memorized every note and lyric, the rythem and every melody of both versions.

A couple weeks ago I wanted to play it while my gf and I were going up to the mountains, and it just didnt sound right

I know what I have in my head and it doesnt match any version I can find. What bothers me more is the seether version takes the same vocal pacing ques as the one I have in my head. Im fully aware there are two versions and I cannot be getting their melodies mixed together rn.

Im not gonna go into any finer detail of what I mean. I just want to know if anyone else has had this same experience. Does anyone else remember the original careless whispers?

If you haven't listened to it in a while then give it a play cause the version im hearing isnt bad it just isnt "right" and if its also not "right" to you then ill feel a little better. Ive always believed in the Mandela effect. And as a skeptic of a lot of things paranormal or supernatural its in kind of a woowoo territory for me but I do believe shit is changing in front of my eyes.

I was scrolling through Instagram Reels and came across a reel where a woman said this was a new Mandela Effect. It immediately caught my attention because I've been noticing the same thing for many years, but I never really thought much about it since I assumed it was probably just biological.

When I was a child, I remember playing around by placing my hand on my chest and counting how many times my heart was beating. It was obviously very easy to feel each beat through my chest.

Now, when I place my hand on my chest, I don't feel anything at all. I've tried different areas, but it's almost like placing my hand on a rock, there's no sensation that tells me there's a heart beating underneath.

I've never really questioned it because I assumed something had simply changed biologically as I grew older. But seeing that reel instantly brought back the memory and made me wonder about it.

Maybe there's a completely normal physiological explanation. Or maybe I'm simply remembering childhood differently. But could there actually be some reason why the heartbeat would have been much easier to feel as a child than as an adult?

I might be completely wrong, but I'm curious what other people think. Check your heartbeat and tell me what you experience.

I'll cite The Witcher (2019) and an event in the lore known as the Conjunction of the Spheres. The Human, Elf, and Monster worlds briefly merged, dragging some humans and monsters into the Elf World.

Also, The Dark Tower (2017) and Event Horizon (1997) can be brought into my post.

Now lets go back to CERN. There are believed to be an infinite amount of parellel universes, where every single possibility plays out. When CERN is turned back ON, we might merge with a monster or evil universe.

Food for thought.

It's sunday morning, just laying here. I want breakfast and it'll likely be avocado toast. But, everytime I think of avocados now, I get so mad.

So, I had to search. Mandela effects...avocado. I laugh about the TikTok theories sometimes, but this one really gets to me.

I have a friend/coworker with the last name Haas.

We met when I was the HR manager. Learning the pronunciation of names was really important to me. And, I'm a bit of a grammar buff, and love words, structures etc.

So, her last name was interesting to me, one that stuck out.

I started eating avocados during the time we worked together and I remember noticing the avocados bore her last name.

We'd joke about it.

She was the queen of avocados.

Lol.

Everytime I'd buy one, I'd notice the label and chuckle to myself "there's friends produce".

So, to see it suddenly become HASS - whaaaattt?

This one is so close to home it kind of makes me angry.

Why are "they" doing this to us??? We should be more concerned about this stuff!!!

Why is there a split in the types of skepticism expressed by different generations? Regarding the Mandela Effect it seems older millenials on up are more likely to consider the possibility, or even insist, that current realities have been distorted and changed and then lied about. Younger generations are more skeptical in the other direction, insisting that there have been no changes and can come to that conclusion without doing much independent research aside from what they read in forums and what can be gleaned from a quick google search.

It was easier to lie before the digital age. And people took advantage of it. We were taught things as fact in school that were in reality much more nuanced and sometimes plain wrong. All authority figures, from parents to teachers to leaders of countries, could teach their views and their versions with little fear of being fact-checked, as long as they were careful.

Then as we gained more access to information, we found out we were misinformed about so much. Is that why it is no stretch for us to consider or even believe that some Mandela Effects are actually thought experiments or that they hide bigger lies or even alternate realities?

Younger generations have grown up with a different level of accountability. Many lies, half-truths, and exagerations are called out almost immediately, espeically in their personal lives through social media. Their lives are recorded and archived to a large degree in real time. Is this what causes their trust in the status quo? If it survives on the internet, it must be true?

Would casting aside physical media will result in future effects? We have old copies of things now. We probably won't in the future. They're already doing away with new physical game disks. What's to say 30-40 years from now we wont have a reference that can't be altered? Digital can be altered and we'd be less likely to have proof. I have a similar theory with "remastered" music and subliminal thinking.

Do you believe you've discovered a new Mandela Effect? Post it in the comments below to see if anyone else has experienced it too!

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"Flip-flops" are a subsection of the Mandela Effect in which a change that some people remember is later validated when that change reverts to the way they originally remembered it.

"Flip-flops" are very important because they seemingly validate that what a person remembered prior to the change was not a "false memory," "confabulation," or a byproduct of "social media" influence. They also reveal a lot about how the Mandela Effect works and how things really are.

The first time I experienced a "Flip-flop," I was sure that all the doubters of the Mandela Effect would have to admit they had gotten it wrong.

I mean, all the real-world evidence now showed that what people remembered was correct, and we could finally focus on why and how this change happened.

But I was absolutely shocked to discover that not only did things return to the way I remembered them, but something else happened, something that I believe, reveals a hidden meaning about the true nature of the Mandela Effect.

No, the deniers didn’t apologize for getting it wrong. The opposition seemingly disappeared, and so did all evidence of discussions on the topic. This happened in real time, instantly not over a period of time.

This caused more confusion, not less. As people went online to reveal the "Flip-flop," the deniers now said things like, "It was like that all along," or "It never changed."

What?!

It’s easy to get caught up in a brand-new back-and-forth argument about product names, but what most people fail to see is The Blueprint, the Architect, and the Plan.

To keep this short, I’ll just cover these briefly.

It may appear that the Mandela Effect is only changing logos, names, movies, music, geography, history, the Bible, art, science, etc., but I believe that is not the endgame. Nothing is off limits and the purpose is to reveal these three things.

The Blueprint - Small but conspicuous, incremental changes to reality over time. At one time, people faced social shunning and professional backlash for believing in evolution.

The Plan - Evolve reality. The nature of this kind of change keeps it hidden. Human senses did not evolve to detect changes to reality, but small mutations over time always exist. This may be why some people now have clear memories while others have no memory of the previous version.

The Architect - Evolution needs no architect (no clockmaker). The natural mechanisms driving the Mandela Effect have yet to be revealed, but they could potentially involve scientific advancements or technologies such as the Large Hadron Collider (LHC).

That said, I believe these changes (evolution of reality) will ultimately lead us toward a deeper understanding of how reality truly works and, in doing so, bring us closer to Source/God.

I was over on that other sub, the “society” version of ME, and got banned for questioning someone’s experience - I was genuinely concerned as they appeared to be suffering from spiraling mental health issues and they were seeking confirmation rather than help. (Yeah I know, lesson learned)

But it made me curious about why people get so insistent their experiences couldn’t possibly be the result a faulty memory or malleable perception. I looked into specifically Nelson Mandela and the origins of why people think he died in prison 1986. It was interesting, but it took me all of 10 minutes to research and connect the dots that make it clear why so many people remember him dying/watching his funeral in 1986.

1. There was a funeral broadcast on tv in 1986. It was for four political activists in South Africa, but not Mandela. It was broadcast on a re-broadcast signal from Africa, so it was very low quality when viewed in most countries, and was not typically on the “primary”local news channel.

2. At the funeral, Mandela’s wife gave a passionate, fiery speech and mentioned her husband several times. But again, the broadcast was particularly low quality, and it wasn’t always easy to hear the audio clearly.

3. Most people around the world were not particularly focused on the goings on in South Africa at the time and while it was in the news and apartheid was a common topic of discussion, most info people had would have come almost exclusively from a handful of newspaper snippets, short news segments on the local news channels, and random conversations with friends who were likely also poorly informed/light on in-depth information. Despite apartheid being a “big deal” as far as human rights issues of then or any time, we didn’t have the internet and South Africa wasn’t exactly a big world player. It’d be like hearing something about Nigerian civil unrest today. Do you know a lot about what’s going on in Nigeria? How about the names of the local players?

4. The people who report “remembering” that the funeral was for Mandela with a fierce surety are quite often people who were very (or at least relatively) young at the time, not exactly the type of person who was nose to the page on world affairs, and typically the context is “I remember it so well because it was the first time I’d ever heard of Nelson Mandela” …so what you’re saying is that at 8 years old, you saw a low quality late-night broadcast of a political funeral where a woman spoke about Nelson Mandela, whom you’d never heard of before, and you don’t believe it’s possible you simply correlated the woman talking about Nelson Mandela with the imagery of a funeral and logged that in your brain as the Mandela funeral?

5. When pressed with that explanation, they often cite that their parents also corroborated they remember Mandela died in prison or later were surprised he was released from prison because they thought he died in the 80’s. Again, you don’t think a busy parent who was half paying attention to a low resolution re-broadcast of a funeral on another continent that mentioned Mandela, a man they barely knew anything about, in a conflict thousands of miles away that didn’t affect their daily life in any way, may have simply done the same thing - correlated the imagery of a funeral with his wife giving a fiery speech, and turned it into a memory that he died OR that maybe they didn’t even watch the broadcast but simply heard someone at work talk about Mandela dying or “the Mandela funeral” in the following weeks, and didn’t think much of it, logged a brief note that “mandela died” and then were surprised years later to find out he had not?

No, the hypothesis is that it’s much more likely some nefarious cabal or entity is deliberately and [usually] with precision, manipulating timelines, or shifting dimensional realities, or mass-manipulating the minds of an entire population of a country/the world and that’s the most plausible explanation because you don’t want to consider the more reasonable option of “human memory is not just flawed, it’s also piece-mealed together and highly malleable over our lifetimes, and human perception is equally flawed, malleable, and highly subjective”.

To me, this brief research (less time than it took to type this out) gets right to the heart of the problem - it is so easy to draw a rational conclusion from the evidence surrounding the funeral and explain so effortlessly why so many people would have a memory of Mandela dying in prison in the 80s despite his release years later. But it’s not very fun to have your hopes of having dimensional sensitivity dashed, and it means you’re not very special if you just recall a composite memory of an event that didn’t actually happen. And it’s scary to admit you don’t have as much control over your senses, perception, and memory as you think you do.

I think that seeing if people will refuse to believe something exists as an absolute based on what they can find on the internet would be an interesting and useful social experiment. The real world is analogue, it is sound waves and refracted light and other elements that are so complex and complete we still don't fully understand them.

Digitizing reality by definition leaves infinite space between the numbers. What if someone is interested in finding out what happens when they pick and choose what to include? Is that harder to believe than believing an entire generation has a false memory of a movie that never existed?

When someone asked me if I remembered a genie movie from the 90s, my immediate response was, "Yeah, there was this really bad movie with Sinbad called Shazaam". They told me it never existed. I had forgotten about Kazaam until they told me that was actually the movie I was remembering.

Then I remembered how my middle school self had laughed that Shaq (I was not a fan) was now trying to be an actor and had ripped off a movie that was horrible to begin with. They came back, saying I was getting Sinbad confused with Shaq!!?? Blew my mind. I was totally confident I could find evidence that this was simply a movie that went 'out of print' as we said in the days of analogue.

It was a strange experience to find that there was no evidence of this movie, not even on Sinbad's filmography. Cornucopia, monacles, misspellings are all understandable false memories. Somewhat ironically, I feel that Mandela dying is an extremely poor example of the Mandela effect because he continued to be extremely present in the news until his actual death. The ending of appartheid was one of the most significant and widely covered news storied of the time. His biopic was a major release, too.

But most people I ask about a 90s genie movie independently come up with Sinbad and/or Shazaam as a response and most are shocked to find out it doesn't exist. (Yes, microscopic sample size) Still, anyone who has had their memory tested in any meaningful way has also probably been faced with hard evidence that they remembered something incorrectly. So while it was unsettling that people across the globe can remember a movie that never existed, I had to think it more likely than not was never made.

But it kept bugging me. One of those things that shouldn't really matter, but after countless news stories detailing how we have been lied to by the industry for years, I found myself thinking about the movie again.

I remember watching it at a friend's house, but it was kind of on in the background and I wasn't really paying attention. I guess I was 13 or so at the time and saw myself as a skater-artist who was too cool for a dumb kids movie. But I do remember a scene where Sinbad was watching his TV show through his pointy, curly genie shoes and the joke was that he was laughing hysterically at a lame joke he made on the show. But I figured that could have been a scene I remembered from another of his movies or that I was even getting the actors confused.

I did a general google search without even mentioning Shazaam and the only results that came back were that that never happened and that I was referencing posts where "many" were claiming this was part of the nonexistent movie.

So I tried similar search terms, this time without even mentioning Sinbad. Maybe I am thinking of another actor? Nope. Still comes back as part of the made-up story in this nonexistent movie.

So where did my memory of that come from and why do so many have the same specific memory? Why did I remember Sinbad's Shazaam before any kind of prompting? Again, not talking about a detail like a misspeling or a particular article of clothing. Talking about a full length movie with an actor that in no way resembles Shaq.

I then found a clip of a 90s show where the joke was "nice pants, Shazaam" and the actor was wearing Hammer pants. Not hard evidence, but what else would the reference be to? DC character did not wear that style of pants.

Why is it not plausible to think this could be some kind of social experiment? It was a very forgetable movie. Some people claim to have seen it multiple times, but the vast majority of us probably didn't even watch it completely once. It has absolutely zero similarities to Shaq's Kazaam, other than the genie theme.

Yeah, Sinbad says it didn't exist. I am willing to consider that as a strong possibility. But why can't we consider it a possiblility that Sinbad has some motive to lie? I don't want to put that on the same level as the lies others in the industry have told us for years, but we have hard evidence that the entertainment industry has at the very least some players that are as influential as they are morally bankrupt, so someone lying or forcing someone to lie about a kids movie as part of a social experiment is not even close to being as extreme as some of the other smoke shows going on.

I'm not convinced either way and hope I can stop thinking about it because it doesn't really matter. Just might be a minor example of AI and its engineers deciding what version of history we will be left with.

So I remember years ago the American Gothic painting being a M.E, but I swear it was whether or not the husband had a pitchfork, and to top it off I swear it concluded he did NOT have a pitchfork. Now it's to do with the wife and he HAS a pitchfork now? Have I officially lost my mind?