r/McuEverythingAroundit

I know especially folks who grew up on them love them but I am so ready to move forward.

I long for a day post-Secret Wars when people stop pretending that the majority of Fox X-men movies were worth the time and money spent on them and that the Raimiverse is quintessential Spider-man.

I yearn for a day when Logan is not synonymous with "Hugh" and when the name "Tobey" is only referenced when talking about the actor who played Arnim Zola, not Spider-man.

I await a day when Venom only exists because a symbiote met Spider-man first and "Morbius" is more than a punchline.

I hope for a Green Goblin who is a prick tech mogul (not just a guy with mental health problems) & Doc Ock is constantly and pettily reminding everyone how smart he is (not just a nice guy who got a chip in his neck), and they live in the same universe as Peter Parker, and have a personal connection with them.

I look forward to the day when the X-men, the F4, the Avengers, & Spidey all live in the same sandbox and are not weighed down by movies and versions of characters from alternate dimensions/previous studio stewardship.

In Doom we trust. Let us pray.

EDIT: "dead & gone" simply means I don't want them to keep bringing back or referencing the old non-MCU versions. Some people seem to think I am saying I want them erased from history, but no, I just want them to stop trying to go back to those old poisoned wells.

Been sitting on these for a while and I wanted to share them before December. It all connects, bare with me.

Doom is running the Infamous Iron Man playbook

The MCU has never been 1:1 with comics, so here's my translation. Tony's death as an anchor being on the main timeline is what started causing incursions. Doom, after losing his own family, sees the multiverse collapsing and decides to stitch the dying ones together and make himself godlike as the new anchor being of whatever survives.

Doomsday vilifies him because everyone assumes he's the one causing the incursions.

Secret wars humanizes and deifies him. We are the reasons he does everything but we still see he's chasing godhood the whole time.

The "stolen lives" line in the trailer is Doom rejecting the legitimacy of the multiverse itself, or maybe rejecting that the snap got reversed, or something something something ...the heroes with kids. I'm not sure. Everyone else got to edit reality and take their lives back. His family's still dead.

The Iron Man connection is basically stolen valor. In the comics he takes over the Iron Man "brand" because it comes with glory and goodwill. In the MCU he takes over as Tony Stark because the universe literally collapses without Tony in it. He's not honoring him or trying to do good. Doom craves godhood, and seizes an opportunity to become one

The grizzled looking Steve Rogers summoning Thors hammer is a lie

They did time travel last movie. I think they'll stay away from it here. This one seems to be closing the multiverse for the next phase, so bringing in young dad Steve needs way too much explanation for a movie that has to work for MCU fans as well as people who checked out after Endgame.

There are two versions of Cap in the promos. Clean cut classic Steve in the past with his newborn, and a grizzled version that summons Mjolnir. The second looks like Chris Evans showed up for a reading, skipped wardrobe and makeup, and someone just happened to record.

My take is the real Steve is old man Rogers, and he's been living on the SABER station since Endgame. The public thinks he's dead. Never made it back from the fight with Thanos, or from dropping off the stones, whatever story they gave the masses. The "Steve's on the moon" joke in Falcon and Winter Soldier was not a joke, but foreshadowing. The reason Thor is surprised is not that he thought Cap was dead, but that he hasn't seen Steve as an old man.

With Hill dead and Fury fading, old Steve will pick up the Fury mantle. Fury operated through SHIELD by keeping his own people in the dark and "holding a gun at everyone". Steve's SABER wouldn't work like that. Fury recognizes that Steve is a great leader and a true protector. While Shield collapsed on Furys watch, Steve rooted out Hydra. Fury knows Steve can bring the change the agency's need

Could be an actual farewell to Steve, if they want to kill him of, or could be a redefining of the role Fury had done since Iron Man. Maybe both.

The real purpose of these movies is weeding out dead weight(duh)

It's no secret Doomsday/Secret Wars exists to cull the franchises that have been dead weight since Endgame. After the dust settles the main players will rebuild. X-Men, F4, Avengers, Spider-Man, Deadpool/Wolverine.

Doom survives it and becomes an F4 level threat, and a puppet master behind the scenes of other movies. RDJ sticks around for cameos and the occasional F4 appearance. Doom keeps his little stable of villains that answer to him

They flip how new characters get introduced

For 20 years the MCU has just given new characters their own movies or shows. They had to. There was no stories to spin off from. In the comics it was the opposite. Wolverine debuted in The Hulk. Punisher and Venom came out of Spider-Man. Half the cosmic stuff came out of Fantastic Four. The solo title was the reward for a good character arc.

After Secret Wars, with a smaller stable of healthy franchises, they go guest first. New characters appear inside other franchise's movies, prove they work, then get solo projects. Puppet master Doom feeds the villain side the same way. His lieutenants show up in one franchise and graduate to headlining someone else's problem later. That's how you get natural comic book feeling crossovers instead of every team-up being a massive MCU party. Brand New Day already showed the model with Frank.

They will not negate Endgame. No retcons, no undoing the bench scene, no copouts to the fans. That ending stays intact and everything above happens after it

Leader — locked up in the Raft — has calculated the probabilities. His genius brain ran the numbers and saw it plain: "Other worlds are coming. Do you think you're the only ones?"

That's the entire setup. No buildup. Just a prison exposition dump.

Sam's now racing against incursions while Doom's already three moves ahead. Cap got chess-mated before the game started.

Marvel's betting Doomsday retroactively makes this feel inevitable. Could work. Probably won't.

Thoughts?

https://x.com/thelegacyofnerd/status/2086470305967423910

Here's the thing:

All of the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man villains cure works retroactively with their deaths.

• Doc Ock was pulled right before he could have killed Tobey in Spider-Man 2 at the end. He still turned good in both events and probably sacrificed himself then
• Norman was Norman Osborn when he died. Admittedly, when he returned at the end of NWH, he was in a different costume (which may put a dent in my theory), but it was Norman who returned, not Green Goblin, meaning his death would have stayed the same if he was pulled from when he died.

(Edit: Either it worked retroactively or it created alternate timelines. Either way, Tobey would've returned to the universe where they died.)

• Sandman is the only one who was pulled from the present day, and without his powers, can't do anything.
• Venom is from a different universe, along with Lizard and Electro.

However, it is possible that he isn't the only hero in his universe.

• It has been popularly theorized since Spider-Man 2 that Thomas Jane's Punisher could be in the same universe.
• In Spider-Man 2, when trying to name Doctor Octopus, Hoffman suggests "Doctor Strange." Jameson replies, "That's pretty good... but it's taken!" so it's entirely possible he exists as well (I would cast Joaquin Phoenix, as he backed off due to a multi-movie commitment, while having him only in Doomsday/Secret Wars would probably be enough)
• The Daredevil movie came out right before Spider-Man 2, and due to the aesthetic/tone of the movie could be in the same universe.
  • Elektra is a direct spin-off of this, meaning it would be in the same universe by default.
    • The Elektra seen in Deadpool and Wolverine could be a variant of that same one, along with Johnny Storm, Blade, and X-23
• The 2003 Hulk could be in the same universe with the same reasons as DD and Elektra.
• Anne Hathaway's Black Cat from the cancelled Spider-Man 4 could be in the Defenders (assuming the events of the movie happened in-universe).

If this happened, I would say that when Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man returned after NWH, he may have been inspired by his teamwork with the other Peters and Peter-1's Avengers team that he found other vigilantes and anti-heroes to form a team to fight threats no one else could handle: the Defenders.

Scenario 1:

When the X-Men arrive on Earth-96213, they are met with just Spider-Man, who puts up the most legendary fight we've seen in Spider-Man cinema history, but inevitably loses, either dying with his world or being saved by Loki/the TVA.

Scenario 2:

When the X-Men arrive on Earth-96213, they are met with Spider-Man, Punisher, Hulk, Daredevil, Elektra, Black Cat, and Doctor Strange. Their fight is incredibly fierce, but due to Cyclops's laser vision, Earth-96213 is inevitably destroyed, with the Defenders either surviving due to Loki/the TVA or dying with their home.

I've got basically no idea if Thanos is dead or not, or any major events. But so far, it's fun!

(Watching in timeline order)

Finished Captain America, going through Captain marvel. Ironmans up next, and I'm looking forward to the hulk!