This topic has been discussed extensively, yet it continues to appear daily — sometimes multiple times a day. The common “wife-beating” narrative is frequently presented as though it were the only possible reading of Qur’an 4:34. In many cases, the discussion relies more on assumptions, inherited interpretations, or selective readings than on careful linguistic and contextual analysis of the Qur’anic text itself.

A useful discussion can be found here.

Sincere Ex-Muslim asks Muslim Girl TOUGH Questions!

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Hadith Context

Sunan Ibn Majah was compiled in the 9th century CE by Ibn Majah (824–887 CE), approximately 220–250 years after the Qur’anic revelation period (610–632 CE).

Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Marriage, Hadith 1851

Jamiʿ al-Tirmidhi, Hadith 1163

Sahih Muslim, Hadith 1218a (Farewell Sermon recension)

It is classified as ḥasan (“fair/good”) by Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albani (the Albanian) who was a modern-day scholar (of Albanian origin).

Hadith says if they commit an immoral act i.e., an indecency clear which bi-fāḥishatin is not mentioned in Qur’an — “ لَيْسَ not تَمْلِكُونَ you possess / control مِنْهُنَّ of them شَيْئًا anything غَيْرَ except ذَلِكَ that إِلاَّ except if أَنْ that يَأْتِينَ they commit / bring they بِفَاحِشَةٍ bi-fāḥishatin — an immoral act / indecency / grave misconduct مُبَيِّنَةٍ mubayyinatin — clear / manifest فَإِنْ so/then if فَعَلْنَ they did so فَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ so/then leave ye them فِي in الْمَضَاجِعِ the beds / sleeping places وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ Wa-Aḍribūhunna — and strike ye them ضَرْبًا ḍarban — a striking غَيْرَ not مُبَرِّحٍ non-severe / non-injurious striking (i.e., not causing harm).

The meaning of وَٱضْرِبُوهُنَّ (wa-aḍribūhunna) depends on context. While the root ضرب (ḍ-r-b) can mean “to strike,” it also carries other meanings in Arabic usage, including:

To cite, to separate, to withdraw, to leave, to turn away, to set forth, or to distance oneself.

Lane’s Lexicon includes figurative usages such as: ضَرَبَ الحجاب (Ḍaraba al-ḥijāb) “He set up a barrier" or "avoided by separating." ضَرَبَ عن الشيء (Ḍaraba ʿan al-shayʾ) “He turned away from the thing" or "forsook it."

Thus, the semantic range of the root is broader than a simplistic “hit/beat” translation.

Early Qur’anic Manuscripts

Qāf 47 and its partner manuscript MS. Or. Fol. 4313 (Carbon-14 dated 606–652 CE, 95.4%) are among the earliest Qur’anic manuscripts:

https://corpuscoranicum.de/en/manuscripts/73/page/14v?sura=4&verse=34

Q 4:34 ٱلرِّجَالُ Ar-Rijālu / the menfolk قَوَّٰمُونَ (qawwāmūn) are maintainers / upholders being (those who take continuous responsibility) عَلَى over (responsible for) ٱلنِّسَآءِ An-Nisā' / the womenfolk بِمَا in (by) what فَضَّلَ has favored ٱللَّهُ Allah بَعْضَهُمْ some of them عَلَىٰ over بَعْضٍ others (is intentionally general, not explicitly “men over women”) وَبِمَآ and in (by) what أَنفَقُوا spend they مِنْ from أَمْوَٰلِهِمْ wealth theirs فَٱلصَّٰلِحَٰتُ so the righteous (f. pl.) قَٰنِتَٰتٌ are devoutly obedient (f. pl.) (qānitāt implies obedience to Allah) حَٰفِظَٰتٌ guardians (f. pl.) لِّلْغَيْبِ to the unseen (private matters) بِمَا in (by) what حَفِظَ has safeguarded ٱللَّهُ Allah وَٱلَّٰتِى and the ones (f. pl.) تَخَافُونَ you fearing نُشُوزَهُنَّ discord / rebellion (nushūz means rising up, marital breach, disruption of harmony) theirs (f. pl.) فَعِظُوهُنَّ so admonish / advise ye them (f. pl.) وَٱهْجُرُوهُنَّ and leave ye them (f. pl.) (important nuance: this does not mean total separation; it is within the bed context) فِى in ٱلْمَضَاجِعِ the rest / sleeping places (beds) وَٱضْرِبُوهُنَّ (Wa-Aḍribūhunna) and shun / disengage / withdraw / separate / strike ye them (f. pl.) فَإِنْ so/then if أَطَعْنَكُمْ listen / obey they (f. pl.) you فَلَا so/then not تَبْغُوا seek / pursue ye عَلَيْهِنَّ against them (f. pl.) سَبِيلًا a way / path (blame / action / accountability) إِنَّ indeed ٱللَّهَ Allah كَانَ be / is (has always been) عَلِيًّا Most High كَبِيرًا Most Great

Whether one interprets it as shunning, withdrawing, disengaging, or striking without harm (using a toothbrush etc., as later narrations describe), the practical distinction becomes far narrower than polemical (argumentative, confrontational, or attacking an opposing view — especially in religious or ideological debates) presentations usually suggest.

The preferred interpretation should be the one best supported by: linguistic evidence, immediate Qur’anic context, broader Qur’anic ethics, and coherent internal consistency.

Q 39:18 ٱلَّذِينَ the ones يَسْتَمِعُونَ listening ٱلْقَوْلَ the speech / discussion / dialogue فَيَتَّبِعُونَ so following أَحْسَنَهُ best of it أُولَٰئِكَ those ٱلَّذِينَ the ones هَدَىٰهُمُ has guided them ٱللَّهُ Allah وَأُولَٰئِكَ and those هُمْ themselves أُولُوا holders / possessors of ٱلْأَلْبَٰبِ the comprehension / intellect

Additional Relevant Passage

Ma VI 165 (dated: 650–675 CE). Its first page is remarkably well-preserved, as if written today.

https://corpuscoranicum.de/en/manuscripts/107/page/1r?sura=17&verse=36

17:35 … (start text) ذَٰلِكَ such خَيْرٌ best وَأَحْسَنُ and very best تَأْوِيلًا elucidation of 17:36 وَلَا and not تَقْفُ thou pursue مَا what لَيْسَ not is لَكَ to you (sing.) بِهِ in it عِلْمٌ knowledge إِنَّ indeed السَّمْعَ the hearing وَالْبَصَرَ and the eyesight وَالْفُؤَادَ Wa Al-Fu'uāda / and the heart (inner emotion, sense of awareness, and the seat of conscious perception) كُلُّ each أُولَٰئِكَ those كَانَ be عَنْهُ about it مَسْؤُولًا questioned of 17:37 وَلَا and not تَمْشِ thou walk فِي in الْأَرْضِ the land مَرَحًا insolently إِنَّكَ indeed you (sing.) لَنْ never تَخْرِقَ breach الْأَرْضَ the land وَلَنْ and never تَبْلُغَ thou reach الْجِبَالَ the mountains طُولًا height 17:38 كُلُّ each ذَٰلِكَ such كَانَ be سَيِّئُهُ evil its عِنْدَ near رَبِّكَ Lord your (sing.) مَكْرُوهًا disliked 17:39 ذَٰلِكَ such/that مِمَّا from what أَوْحَىٰ inspires إِلَيْكَ to you (sing.) رَبُّكَ Lord your (sing.) مِنَ from الْحِكْمَةِ Al-Ĥikmati/The Wisdom وَلَا and not تَجْعَلْ thou make مَعَ with اللَّهِ Allah إِلَٰهًا a deity آخَرَ another فَتُلْقَىٰ so thou cast فِي in جَهَنَّمَ abyss (hellfire) مَلُومًا blameworthy of مَدْحُورًا forsaken of

Salaam

Source: “Reading the Qur’an in the Twenty-first Century - A Contextualist Approach” by Abdullah Saeed

Delman and I are super excited to announce the launch of our Oases of Wisdom podcast. We will have exciting guests from the fields of history, philosophy, theology and more!

Our first guest however, is Peter Adamson. As many of you know, Peter is a prominent American philosopher, podcaster, and historian of philosophy. He is best known for his popular educational podcast History of Philosophy Without Any Gaps and serves as a Professor of Late Ancient and Arabic Philosophy at the Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich (LMU).

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The mods of r/AcademicQuran deleted my perfectly sound comments on https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicQuran/s/ePIKJxweMn citing a lack of sources.

I appealed it in the mod-mail but they could not give a single sound justification for their action nor were they able to engage accurately with the arguments i presented. You can read my comments and the exchange yourself in the screens.

The sub modded by u/Rurouni_Phoenix and u/chonkshonk purports to be academic but removes academically sound comments while retaining such clearly low-effort polemical posts and comments.

This is simply more evidence of the "flexible" rigor and unsound reasoning plaguing that sub which would have no real academic value if it were not for the published academics who participate in it and some rare users that indeed make informative and/or unbiased posts and comments in good faith, indeed sincerity and rigor are not difficult to identify for those who value them.

Hello everyone! This is Filip Holm. I have studied comparative religion (religious studies) and specialized in Islam and (in particular) tasawwuf (Sufism). I run and host the Youtube channel and podcast Let's Talk Religion, where I try to approach the topic of religious studies in a scholarly and yet engaging way. You can find the channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@LetsTalkReligion

I will be doing an AMA here on the sub on Wednesday, May 20th, so feel free to send in your questions! Looking forward to hearing from you.

I’ve been frustrated by how easy it is for AI chatbots to sound confident while mixing up collections, numbers, or wording of hadith. I put together something practical: a free web search over a large hadith database (Arabic + English), plus optional hooks for people who use AI assistants with “tools” (MCP).

What it’s for

• Look up by topic (semantic search) or by reference (e.g. global ID like #6074, or bukhari 6074-style patterns).
• Each result is tied to a stable row in the database, with a shareable link so you can show exactly what text the tool is reading—not a paraphrase from model memory.

Links

• Search app: https://search.hadith-mcp.org/
• Overview / how to connect assistants: https://hadith-mcp.org/
• Source code (GPL): https://github.com/ovehbe/hadith-mcp

Data & honesty

• Text comes from the community hadith-json corpus (aligned with Sunnah.com-style sourcing).
• Cross-references in the UI are algorithmic (similarity, etc.)—useful for exploration, not a substitute for classical ilm al-hadith or a scholar’s judgment.
• This is not a mufti, not a substitute for verifying important matters with qualified people and recognized references.

If this is useful, use it as a sanity check when an AI cites a hadith; if it’s not your thing, no worries. Feedback welcome—I’m still improving it.

Extreme gender segregation was not originally a defining feature of the earliest Muslim community. The historical evidence shows something much more gradual and complex: early Islam emerged in a society where women were visibly present in communal religious life, while stricter forms of segregation developed over centuries through changing political, urban, and legal cultures.

During the Prophet Muhammad’s lifetime, women attended the mosque regularly. They prayed in the same mosque as men without walls, curtains, or separate rooms dividing them. The rows were organized, with men in front and women behind, but that is very different from the later idea that women should be hidden away entirely or excluded from public religious participation. Women asked questions publicly, debated legal matters, transmitted hadith, participated in trade, and even accompanied military campaigns as medics and support staff.

A historical study by Nevin Reda examining women in mosques states that for the period 610–634 CE, meaning the Prophet’s lifetime, “there does not appear to be any evidence of segregation.” The study instead concludes that women had “full access” to the mosque during this earliest period. https://www.ajis.org/index.php/ajiss/article/view/504

This aligns with the Qur’an itself. Qur’an 9:71 describes believing men and women as mutual allies who collectively uphold moral and religious responsibility:

“The believing men and believing women are allies of one another. They enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong…”

https://quran.com/9/71

That is not the language of total social separation. It presents men and women as participants in a shared religious and moral community.

The hadith literature also reflects this atmosphere. In Sahih Muslim, the Prophet reportedly said:

“Do not prevent your women from going to the mosque.”

https://sunnah.com/muslim:442b

This is significant because it directly contradicts the later assumption that women’s presence in mosques or communal religious life is somehow inherently improper. Even when some later narrations recommend prayer at home for women, the foundational principle in the early sources remains permission and participation, not exclusion or disappearance from public space.

The stronger culture of segregation becomes much more visible later, especially during the Umayyad and Abbasid periods. As the Muslim empire expanded into Byzantine and Persian territories, elite urban customs surrounding women, seclusion, and class status increasingly influenced Muslim society. Historians have long noted that upper-class Byzantine and Sassanian societies already practiced forms of female seclusion before Islam, and these customs gradually became absorbed into parts of Muslim imperial culture.

Historian Leila Ahmed argues that the earliest Muslim society was socially far more open toward women than the later Abbasid world. She writes that the Abbasid social order became “markedly more negative toward women” and that these later social attitudes strongly shaped Islamic legal interpretation and gender norms.

https://islamicstudies.stanford.edu/sites/islamicstudies/files/womengenderislam.pdf

Another important study by historian Leor Halevi identifies 8th-century Kufa as one of the major centers where a new and unusually strong concern with separating men and women began appearing in religious discourse. Halevi describes this as a “novel and unprecedented concern with the segregation of the sexes.” He explains that scholars in this environment increasingly promoted narrations and legal opinions discouraging women from participating in funeral processions and public ritual spaces.

https://www.academia.edu/13926853/Wailing_for_the_Dead_The_Role_of_Women_in_Early_Islamic_Funerals

That phrase — “novel and unprecedented” — is historically important. It means that this intense concern with segregation was not being treated as an ancient unquestioned practice inherited directly from the beginning. It was emerging and developing in a particular historical environment.

Over time, these attitudes became embedded into sections of Islamic jurisprudence and social norms. In many later Muslim societies, especially among urban elites, female seclusion increasingly became associated with respectability, status, and morality. What began as regional and class-based customs gradually became moralized and presented as “Islamic.”

Even then, Muslim societies were never uniform. Women continued to serve as scholars, business owners, poets, patrons, and teachers throughout Islamic history. There were female hadith scholars who taught men. Women owned property, funded institutions, and participated in intellectual life. The historical reality was diverse and constantly changing, not one monolithic system of total segregation.

Modern forms of extreme segregation — especially systems involving rigid social isolation, discouraging women from mosques, banning ordinary interaction between genders, or treating women’s public presence itself as dangerous — are often more connected to modern revivalist and Salafi movements than to the earliest Muslim community itself. Some historians trace the modern systematization of strict segregation to 20th-century Islamist movements that transformed older conservative ideas into comprehensive ideological programs.

The historical record therefore does not support the simplistic claim that Islam began with extreme gender segregation as a central social principle. What it shows instead is a gradual historical evolution: women participating openly in communal religious life during the Prophet’s lifetime, followed by increasing restrictions shaped by later political, imperial, urban, and juristic developments.

I gathered the tafsīr works that mentioned this attribution with isnād:

• Ṭ. Ibn al-Jawzī 6/108 available here https://app.turath.io/book/1503?page=3380;

• Ṭ. al-Salāmah 6/330 available here https://app.turath.io/book/8473?page=3235;

• Ṭ. Awlād al-Shaykh 11/46) available here https://app.turath.io/book/1509?page=4942,

• Ibn Bāz (3/395) available here https://app.turath.io/book/21537?page=1361,

• al-Qaḥṭānī (1/15) available here https://app.turath.io/book/96473?page=15, and

• al-Durar al-Saniyya (15/162) available here https://app.turath.io/book/3055?page=7013.

Essentially, the isnād of the attributions run as follows:

> Ibn Jarīr al-Ṭabarī reported: He said: Yūnus b. ʿAbd al-Aʿlā (exist in all Ibn Kathīr’s recensions) narrated to me; he said: Ibn Wahb narrated to us; he said: Yazīd b. Yūnus (He appears explicitly in al-Durar al-Saniyya. I wasn’t able to get more information regarding this specific person’s name “يزيد بن يونس.”) narrated to me — in one recension: Ibn Wahb told Yazīd → Yūnus — from Abū Ṣakhr, from Abū Muʿāwiyah al-Bajlī, from Saʿīd b. Jubayr, from Abū al-Ṣahbāʾ al-Bakrī, that he heard ʿAbd Allāh b. Masʿūd being asked about the verse.

This wording is transmitted consistently in meaning, with only minor editorial and orthographic variation across recensions. The triple repetition of the oath is explicitly preserved in the majority of the reports. Alongside the above principal chain, a supporting transmission is cited without altering the matn substance:

> ʿAmr b. ʿAlī (Appears only in the supplementary route cited by Ibn Bāz; Majmūʿ Fatāwā, 3/395) narrated to us; he said: Ṣafwān b. ʿĪsā narrated to us; he said: Ḥumayd al-Kharāṭ narrated to us; from ʿAmmār; from Saʿīd b. Jubayr; from Abū al-Ṣahbāʾ, that he asked Ibn Masʿūd about the verse “And among mankind are those who purchase idle speech…” — whereupon Ibn Masʿūd identified it as singing.

The principal difficulty in the first isnād lies with Abū Muʿāwiyah al-Bajalī, whose identity is highly problematic due to extensive disagreement in the biographical literature regarding both his name and lineage. One source states:

> “Abū Muʿāwiyah al-Bajalī—he is ʿAmmār b. Muʿāwiyah; it is also said: the son of Abī Muʿāwiyah; and it is said: the son of Ḥubāb; and it is said: the son of Ṣāliḥ al-Duhni al-Bajalī al-Kūfī—[who narrated] from Saʿīd b. Jubayr” (al-Ḍiyāʾ al-Maqdisī, al-Aḥādīth al-Mukhtārah, 10/400. Available here https://app.turath.io/book/10480?page=6151).

Let us now turn to the isnād involving Yazīd → Yūnus, as preserved in Ibn Kathīr (Ṭ. Awlād al-Shaykh, 11/46).

Upon analysis, it is plausible that this “Yūnus” refers to Yūnus b. Yazīd al-Aylī.

First, the figure of Ḥumayd b. Ziyād—better known as Abū Ṣakhr al-Kharrāṭ—is well documented. He is described as:

> “Ḥumayd b. Ziyād,” the son of Abū al-Mukhāriq al-Madanī, known as Abū Ṣakhr al-Kharrāṭ, resident of Egypt; also called Ḥumayd b. Ṣakhr. Ibn Ḥibbān reports that he was a client (mawlā) of Banū Hāshim and narrated from Ḥātim b. Ismāʿīl. Abū Masʿūd al-Dimashqī and others confirm that Ḥumayd b. Ṣakhr is the same as Ḥumayd b. Ziyād, Abū Ṣakhr” \(Badr al-Dīn al-ʿAynī, Mughānī al-Akhyār, 1/247, available here https://app.turath.io/book/10452?page=241)***.

Likewise, al-Samʿānī states:

> “With the khāʾ and shaddah on the rāʾ, ending in a plain tāʾ. He was a woodworker, known as Abū Ṣakhr Ḥumayd b. Ziyād al-Kharrāṭ, client of Banū Hāshim, resident of Madīnah. He narrated from Nāfiʿ, Muḥammad b. Kaʿb, Ibn Qusayṭ, ʿAmmār al-Dahhnī, and others. Scholars such as Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal declared him reliable, while Yaḥyā b. Maʿīn considered him weak” (al-Ansāb, 5/73 available here https://app.turath.io/book/12317?page=1736).

Both sources confirm that Abū Ṣakhr is identical with Ḥumayd b. Ziyād.

As for Yūnus, the evidence strongly supports identifying him as Yūnus b. Yazīd b. Abī al-Najād al-Aylī al-Qurashī, Abū Yazīd—the trustworthy (thiqah) transmitter and mawlā of Muʿāwiyah b. Abī Sufyān. He narrated extensively from Ibn Shihāb al-Zuhrī, Nāfiʿ (the mawlā of Ibn ʿUmar), al-Qāsim, ʿIkrimah, and others, while prominent transmitters such as al-Layth b. Saʿd, Yaḥyā b. Ayyūb, al-Awzāʿī, Ibn al-Mubārak, and Ibn Wahb narrated from him. See:

• Tahdhīb al-Kamāl, 32/551 ; Siyar Aʿlām al-Nubalāʾ, 6/297.

Within Egyptian isnād networks—especially those involving Ibn Wahb, a major transmitter of Egyptian scholars—the unqualified name “Yūnus” almost invariably refers to Yūnus b. Yazīd al-Aylī. This identification is further strengthened by reports noting that Ibn Wahb narrated from both Yūnus b. Yazīd al-Aylī and Abū Ṣakhr Ḥumayd b. Ziyād. See: (Al-Mawsūʿah al-Fiqhiyyah al-Kuwaytiyyah, 41/425 https://app.turath.io/book/11430?page=29160).

Nevertheless, both isnāds ultimately revolve around Ḥumayd b. Ziyād al-Kharrāṭ al-Miṣrī, who was explicitly criticized as weak by Yaḥyā b. Maʿīn.

Although some may appeal to Aḥmad b. Ḥanbal, who reportedly regarded Ḥumayd as reliable, the general tendency among later scholars was to prioritize the judgment of Yaḥyā b. Maʿīn over that of Aḥmad in matters of rijāl criticism. As one later commentator states:

> “Imām Yaḥyā b. Maʿīn was more advanced and meticulous than Aḥmad in the science of Rijāl, while Aḥmad was more meticulous in compiling reports.” (Sharḥ Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim, 15/74, Hasan Abū al-Ashbāl al-Zuhayrī (contemporary) available here https://app.turath.io/book/37026?page=1423).

Conclusion

Ultimately, it is ḍaʿīf.

Even if we grant the attribution is Ṣaḥīḥ — which it isn’t — and that Laḥw-al-Ḥadītḥ refers to Music, proponent is still required to generate an argument in regard to why Q. 31:6 is a prohibition for music.