r/Nolan

Hold a gun to his head and make him portray the Greek Gods as real in the movie and not all in their imagination.

Seriously. His Valkyrie and the draugr from The Northman were amazing, which leads me to believe he bring Scylla and the Cyclops and the rest of the monsters and creatures to life on screen.

The berserker dance was so primal and otherworldly. I would love to have seen him do something similar with Bronze Age warriors amd their rituals and battle crystal.

As far as I'm concerned, Eggers does the best period movies ever. When he dares to do embrace the supernatural.

My God his Athena would have been amazing based on his Valkyrie.

Just like you often see studios compete by making similar films, I wish Eggers would make a competing The Odyssey movie with a rival studio.

Please. Someone pass this on to Eggers.

Tell him his period stuff craps all over Nolan.

Lol. Some of this goes too far. But I love his energy.

They talk nonstop about “historical accuracy,” yet still praise movies like Oppenheimer, a film that wasn’t fully historically accurate and openly tried to make audiences sympathize with a undiagnosed psychopathic man who cheated on his wife, attempted to poison his teacher, tried to strangle a friend, and supported the bombing of Japan, wanted to give his daughter away cause he said he couldn’t feel love for her. “Destroyer of worlds”🤣, how huge is that man’s ego. Who says something like that?

Meanwhile, the movie paints Lewis Strauss as some a villain, even though he opposed dropping the bomb on Japan and was also known for philanthropy.

It’s wild how some people suddenly obsess over “accuracy” only when they see a few people of color in a movie. The double standard is crazy.

Greeks and Germans are way more genetically similar than Sub-Saharan Africans.

Genetically, historically, and anthropologically, Greeks are significantly more closely related to Germans than to Sub-Saharan Africans.

When looking at genetic data, the relationship between Greeks and Germans is exceptionally close, while the relationship between Greeks and Sub-Saharan Africans is more distant.

On any global genetic map, all European populations—including Greeks and Germans—cluster tightly together on a single, distinct branch of the human family tree (the Western Eurasian branch).

The genetic distance between a Greek person and a German person is very small. They sit on the exact same continental genetic gradient.

The genetic distance between any European population (including Greeks) and any Sub-Saharan African population is significantly larger, reflecting thousands of years of geographic separation and independent population histories.

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to cast people that look like people in the source material.

E.g. why wouldn't you cast Oscar Isaac as Odysseus. His long beard in Dune would look ancient Greek with a few tweaks. He'd look great.

And as for Helen. How does casting her as black actually improve the film?

Her character has been thought of as white skinned and fair haired for thousands of years.

Be honest. Please. Please be honest. How does casting Helen as black improve the film?

And how does casting Zendaya to play a Greek God male any sense? Apart from Zendaya being half black, she looks way too young.

So apparently Nolan has chosen not to have an orchestral score as they didn't have orchestras back then.

Oh my God!!!!

Why didn't you apply this approach to the armor or the casting?

The Dendra Panopoly wasn't just that cumbersome armor Nolan! There were plenty of other ones that still appeal to modern day aesthetics!

And you should've cast actors that look ancient Greek like Oscar Isaac instead of whiteass fratboy Viking looking Matt Damon!!!

And casting Lupita Nyongo is a double crime. One because there are ample references to Helen of Troy not being black. And two. She's not even that beautiful. And certainly not beautiful enough to launch a thousand ships. If you absolutely had to choose a black woman then maybe Georgina Campbell?

Dammnnnnn youuuuuu Nolannnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!

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Please listen to an expert explain where Nolan went wrong.

I‘ve really been thinking about this. First off: I like Nolan. I find Oppenheimer to be beautiful! Out of the ones I saw, Tenet was the only one, where I felt that the movie was more complicated and indecipherable than it was worth.

I find that Nolans strength is a close look at one character, where we gradually explore the important aspects of that character, in a non linear way, with interesting concepts to plotwise explain that non linearity, that also help us find the right angle to read the movie.

Now, he‘s making a movie about the odyssey, and I can‘t decipher why, when there‘s another character in greek myth that would fit perfectly for his style. Is Odyssee really such a „nolian“ story? For me it seems more similar to the hobbit with an adventurer with a home drive, and a very basic episodic structure, that doesn‘t really have any need to be tampered with: It‘s part of the main appeal.

Now: There is a story in greek mythos, where the main character does disturbing things, and a self fulfilling prophecy is involved (lending already itself to an already non linear story). Yep! I think Nolan would be wise to rather make a movie about the original mother fucker: Oedipus.

So: Am I just not getting something here? If you, dear reader see something in Nolans narrative strengths, that lend themselves to the Odyssee over other greek myths, please feel invited to comment!

If they really had to have a black actress play Helen of Troy in the Odyssey. I mean if they actually held a weapon to Chrsitopher Nolan's head. Then he should've picked Georgina Campbell.

Which black actresses are more beautiful than Lupita Nyongo?

Thandie Newton? Zoe Kravitz? Nia Towel?

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Hear me out! I think I know what’s going on...

Studying screenwriting, especially Nolan’s work, you see that his scripts aren't just built for the story; they have layers of depth that affect the audience directly. The final layer is the meta-level – that’s us. Usually, even the script's structure is built on a unified theme or a core metaphor. In Inception, the dream levels served as the structure and a metaphor for immersion and cinematography, while the meta-level was an "inception" performed on the viewers. In the end, we become the object of that inception. That is the meta-level.

Knowing Nolan is a master of this, I feel like we’re only seeing the tip of the tip of the iceberg. I suspect there’s something tied to the Trojan Horse here – it could be anywhere: the trailer, the language, the cast. Think about it: the film itself is the Trojan Horse. If Nolan made it "by the book," it would be: "Wow, looks like a great movie," then you go to the theater and think, "Wait, this is a mess." But knowing Nolan, he’s doing an Inverted Trojan Horse. He’s presenting a "gift" (this trailer) that shocks people, triggering massive debate and driving huge crowds to the theater for maximum reach. It’s a brilliantly calculated marketing strategy (remember the Dark Knight viral campaigns?).

Inside the theater, there will be plenty of surprises. Think about it: how hard is it to film a scene with that "daddy" translation just for the trailer and then reshoot it? Dropping clues about loving Emily Wilson’s translation or "miscasting" roles – it would explain so much, especially the contradictions in Nolan’s statements, like telling Ludwig Göransson "no orchestra" while hiring Travis Scott.

Writing this out, I realize it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I have a gut feeling. Also, look at his filmography. He usually alternates: one film the studio pushes, which usually wins Oscars (Dunkirk, Oppenheimer), and his "personal" projects in between (Inception, Interstellar, Tenet). After Oppenheimer, this Odyssey is exactly what he wants to do, and how he wants to do it.

That’s my theory. I might be wrong, but... Nolan’s Odyssey is a Trojan Horse!

P.S. And even if I’m wrong, it’s all about the story and the emotions. Once you’re immersed, all this "miscasting" drama will just vanish – especially considering these characters aren't even the leads and will likely flash on screen for maybe 2 to 5 minutes total. If the execution is good, the real world disappears, and Nolan knows exactly how to deliver that. People go to the cinema for the experience and the story, not just for the names on the poster. You need top-tier talent to draw people in, but their real job is the quality of performance that makes that immersion possible.

He seriously only discussed the material being based on blackened bronze daggers.

That explains the colour only Nolan! Not the freaking Batman/Marvel scifi armor shape, design, everything else!!!

At least just admit that you fcked it up with the costume design in this movie.

Most likely because you didn't want to make it race specific, ie. GREEK!!!

Respect the region, culture and source material!!!

Cast people that look like ancient Greeks!!!

The armor doesn't look anything like armor from Homer's time. You fired your historical consultant remember?

How about you tell people that in your interviews and be honest about it!!!

Dammmmmm youuuuu Nolannnnnnn!!!!!!

You had the budget to make this incredible! But instead you've made the cringiest modern, broad, woke interpretation ever!!!!

How about you sit down with Mel Gibson and let him teach you how to make a historical/historical fantasy movie.

Uncle Mel will show you how it's done.

Where are all the East Asian actors in this production?

You're all so concerned with black and white that you forgot yellow exists too.

What is it with affirmative action being so racially biased towards black people when they're overrepresented for their population demographic in both the US and the UK.

Whereas the East Asian demographic are extremely under-represented in film and tv in the US and UK.

You need to spread the word that race isn't black and white! It's yellow too!

It's the dishonesty.

Just come out and say it's affirmative action, black actor's union/guild pressure on film studios, and or reparations that is behind the casting of Lupita and Zendaya in The Odyssey.

Just admit it.

Stop coming up with such disingenuous reasons.

Because if it was about diversity then East Asians would have prominent speaking roles too.

But they don't.

So just admit this is all just about black affirmative action/reparations.

Coming clean is better.