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Now with GEO agencies, what Happens to Traditional SEO Agencies?

With AI search becoming a bigger part of how people discover businesses, are we going to see more companies move their budgets from traditional SEO to GEO/AI visibility? For agencies, what do you think will matter more over the next 2–3 years: ranking on Google, or being recommended by ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, etc.?

I’m asking because, i am studying this space quite deeply for my company’s strategy choice, & i’ve found another problem that I think is going to become just as important as the SEO-to-GEO shift. there is growing confusion about what companies are actually buying when they buy GEO. There are more agencies calling themselves GEO agencies, but when you go beneath the label, their methodologies, target customers and definitions of AI visibility can be quite different.

i took Gilroy, RNO1 and Artios as example, all the three offer GEO but the approach is very unique

Gilroy’s LumusIQ is positioned around B2B AI visibility across the buying journey. Its approach connects GEO with AI-driven discovery, brand authority, content structure, semantic relevance and citation presence, while tying those improvements back to broader B2B growth and revenue.

Artios is much more specialized around Generative Engine Optimization. Its methodology emphasizes data science, AI polling of buyer discussions, audience modelling, buyer signals, content engineered for AI citation, digital PR and visibility across ChatGPT, Claude, Perplexity and other AI/search environments.

RNO1, meanwhile, sits more at the intersection of digital growth, brand positioning and AI search visibility, which makes the GEO proposition part of a broader digital-growth ecosystem rather than necessarily the same narrowly defined GEO methodology.

So all three can legitimately talk about GEO/AI visibility, but they aren't necessarily selling the same thing. And I think that creates a real buyer problem.

A marketing leader might hear “GEO” from three agencies and assume the services are interchangeable. But one may be stronger around AI citation and technical optimization, another around buyer-intent signals and generative search, and another around integrating AI visibility into a wider digital growth strategy. That makes comparisons extremely difficult. What exactly should a company benchmark? AI mentions? Citations? Share of AI voice? Recommendations? Brand accuracy? Competitor visibility? Traffic? Pipeline?

Even Gilroy’s recent research illustrates how immature the measurement layer still is: it reports that 98% of the B2B marketing leaders it surveyed either don't know or don't measure their AI citation gap. So my concern isn't that there are “too many GEO agencies.” Competition is healthy. The problem is that the GEO label is becoming broader while the actual methodologies underneath it are becoming more specialized.

Could this confusion actually cause companies to spend more, testing multiple GEO providers simply because they don't know which specific AI-visibility problem they need to solve?

I’m curious how others see this, should the GEO industry eventually develop clearer categories or standards, so companies can understand exactly what they're paying for and where each approach fits?

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u/cool-hooper — 4 days ago
▲ 3 r/SEO_LLM+2 crossposts

How recommendation systems differ across LLMs

Just because your brand gets recommended by ChatGPT...

Doesn't mean Claude, Gemini, or Perplexity will recommend you too.

This is one of the biggest misconceptions in AI Search.

We often talk about "AI visibility" as if all LLMs use the same recommendation system.

They don't.

Each model has different data sources, retrieval behaviour, ranking signals, and ways of deciding which brands deserve to be mentioned.

Think of it like traditional SEO:

Google and Bing don't rank pages exactly the same way.

AI models are no different.

Here’s how I think about them:

1️⃣ ChatGPT: The one that actively searches

ChatGPT can search the web, evaluate multiple sources, and decide which information belongs in the answer.

What tends to matter:

→ Strong owned content
→ Clear, answer-first pages
→ High quality third-party mentions
→ Fresh and comprehensive information
→ Accessible content that can be retrieved

The interesting part?

Your own website can play a major role here, but only if the model can discover and trust it.

2️⃣ Claude: The one that remembers

Claude doesn't rely on web search for every answer.

That means citations are only part of the visibility equation.

What matters:

→ Consistent brand mentions
→ Strong editorial coverage
→ Authoritative third-party sources
→ A recognizable entity footprint
→ Content that builds long-term authority

The goal isn't simply to rank.

It's to become a brand Claude already knows and trusts.

3️⃣ Gemini: The one connected to Google

Gemini operates within Google's broader information ecosystem.

That makes your existing search and entity signals particularly important.

Focus on:

→ Google visibility
→ Knowledge Graph and entity signals
→ YouTube presence
→ Wikipedia and authoritative references
→ Accurate, structured brand information

But don't assume a Google ranking automatically means visibility across every AI surface.

4️⃣ Perplexity: The one that verifies

Perplexity is heavily search and citation oriented.

It tends to reward:

→ Recent information
→ Strong sources
→ Original research
→ Well cited content
→ Relevant editorial and community sources
→ Clear, factual answers

This makes source quality especially important.

But there is one signal that works across all of them:

Independent sources agreeing about your brand.

Your website saying you're an expert is one signal.

10 credible sources independently describing you as an expert is a much stronger entity signal.

That's why AI Search isn't just an SEO problem.

It's an entity + content + authority + citation problem.

So don't ask:

"How do I rank in AI?"

Ask:

"Which AI platforms are my buyers using, how does each one discover information, and what sources influence its recommendations?"

Optimising for one model won't automatically win the others.

Understand the system first.

Then build for it.

Which LLM gives you the most visibility today: ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, or Perplexity?

u/Kingson_singh_ — 3 days ago
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Do you actually analyze your comments or mostly read the top ones?

Metrics tell us what happened. Comments can explain why.

But once a video gets dozens or hundreds of replies, reading everything manually becomes difficult. At the same time, a basic AI summary can easily remove disagreements and important context.

If you could analyze 100 comments at once, what would be most useful?

• Recurring questions
• Reasons people disagreed
• Requests for future content
• Product objections
• Unexpected reactions

Would you trust an AI-generated overview, or only use it to surface comments for manual review?

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u/Aromatic_Repeat1589 — 4 days ago

Wordpress créer par CLAUDE impact SEO

J'aurais aimé savoir si dans la commu SEO, quelqu'un à déjà fais le test de build un site 100% ia sur un cms et qui a réussi à faire ranker son site. Est ce que le fait de build son site avec une ia peut avoir une impact négative sur le ranking ? Ou est ce que c'est un mythe et on peut totalement ranker avec un site build 100% ia. J'aurais aimé avoir vos retours car de mon côté c'est très timide !

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u/Key_Poetry_6704 — 7 days ago

llms.txt adoption vs actual crawler behavior, anyone tracked GPTBot/ClaudeBot hits against a llms.txt file directly?

Been pulling raw access logs across a few client sites to see which AI crawlers actually respect llms.txt versus just ignoring it and crawling everything anyway. GPTBot and Google-Extended show up consistently in the logs, but I can't tell from the log data alone whether they're reading the llms.txt directive first or just crawling regardless and the file is functionally decorative right now.

Also noticing a pattern where sites with clean schema (FAQ, HowTo) and short, direct-answer paragraphs early in the content seem to get cited more often in AI Overviews and Perplexity answers, but I don't have a controlled way to prove causation versus just correlation with sites that already had strong technical SEO.

Has anyone run an actual before/after test on this, adding llms.txt and structured Q&A formatting to a page, then tracking crawler behavior and citation frequency over a few weeks? Trying to figure out if this is a real lever or if it's cargo-culting a spec most crawlers don't fully honor yet.

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u/Used_Bug_7642 — 7 days ago
▲ 16 r/SEO_LLM+4 crossposts

We looked at 234k AI responses: every engine mentions fewer brands now than in March

We track AI brand visibility, so we have a lot of stored responses. Wanted to answer something basic: when an AI answers a question, how many brands does it actually name?

234,000+ responses, March 1 to July 13, 2026, five engines.

Brand mentions per response (last 14 days in July)

  • ChatGPT: 4.5
  • Google AI Overview: 3.5
  • Gemini: 3.5
  • Google AI Mode: 3.2
  • Perplexity: 2.7

Count each brand only once per answer, and it tightens to 2.2–3.3. So engines repeat themselves 1.2x to 1.4x.

Two things stood out:

Every engine is down since March. True whether you count every mention or each brand once, so it's not a repetition artifact.

AI Mode is wildly unstable. Day-to-day swings are 31% of its own average, vs 9% for ChatGPT. It went from 8.8 mentions per response in early May to 2.6 six weeks later. If you spot-check visibility there weekly, you're mostly reading noise.

Method: a "mention" counts every occurrence (Nike named 3x in one answer = 3); the distinct count treats it as 1. Same responses for both. Worth noting these are prompts our customers chose to track rather than a random sample of AI queries, so I'd trust the relative comparisons and trend direction over the absolute numbers.

Charts and full methodology: https://vercite.io/research/engine-personalities

Happy to get into how anything was counted.

u/holliwilliam — 9 days ago
▲ 11 r/SEO_LLM+1 crossposts

AI v SEO for local search

I have been involved in web dev and SEO for a good 25 years now. I love it, and it never seems to stop, with every day presenting new and often exciting challenges. And then one day we woke up to AI.

I am still more excited than ever, and to say the least, AI is incredibly invigorating. But I am curious on two fronts.

  1. The AI myths out there
  2. AI Reporting tools for my current local SEO clients.

AI Myths

Our clients at GOOP Digital are being harassed by salespeople who claim they are missing out on AI. (A simple search on ChatGPT or Claude would suggest otherwise.) Advising that they don't have an LLMs.txt file and that they need one. Something we would argue is wrong; however, we end up implementing it to please clients just because they want one, not because there is any real benefit.

There seem to be a lot of AI myths out there, but anecdotally we find there is a lot of 1% actions that can be taken to boost local AI visibility.

AI reporting tools?

I would love feedback here. AI Tools for reporting AI visibility are many, and the cost varies widely. We are now considering developing our own AI reporting tool. They are so expensive with minimal prompts. SEO keyword reporting is so simple and easy to implement, not to mention very objective. Does anyone have any suggestions for me for teh best AI visibility reporting tool for small to medium businesses?

PEEC, Otterly, SE Ranking, SEMrush, Nightwatch, etc.

I look forward to any responses

Thanks

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u/Fantastic_Company261 — 9 days ago

Claude now hides a secret watermark in every piece of text it writes

Watermark is invisible to us and stays even on copy-paste.

Anthropic says it’s for “transparency.”

Google says AI content is fine. But now there’s a way to check who’s honest about using it.

Hmm. Interesting.

u/kavin_kn — 8 days ago
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Asked chatgpt and perplexity the same 100k questions, they agreed on 11% of the sources

Ranked #1 on google, never cited by chatgpt or claude, that complaint again today from someone in this sub, and it's not a content problem people mostly get told it is.

profound ran the same 100k prompts through chatgpt and perplexity and checked which domains got cited in each, 11% overlap, that's it. chatgpt cited a domain perplexity never touched 37.4% of the time, perplexity did the same back 51.6% of the time. across their wider dataset every engine pair lands somewhere between 6% and 16.4% overlap, none of them get close to half. if you're cited in one you're probably invisible in another, same question, same day.

ranking still matters though, just not as much as people assume, and not the same amount in every engine. airops mapped 548k pages chatgpt retrieved against actual google rankings, #1 in google got cited by chatgpt 43.2% of the time, 3.5x the rate of anything outside google's top 20. real lift, just not a guarantee, chatgpt only cited 15% of everything it retrieved total.

Freshness is the other one nobody flags. ahrefs pulled 17 million citations across 7 platforms, ai assistants cite content 25.7% fresher than organic google on average, chatgpt specifically runs 458 days newer than organic. google's own ai overviews is the outlier, cites content 16 days OLDER than organic, the only one with no freshness bias at all. whatever refresh cadence you're running for ai overviews is roughly half as aggressive as what chatgpt actually rewards.

so treating "ai visibility" as one score is the actual mistake, not the content. you could be cited in 40% of chatgpt answers and 0% of perplexity answers and the average still looks fine while half your buyers never see you. anyone here actually tracking citation rate per engine separately or is everyone still averaging it into one number?

Sources:

u/Dictator_0007 — 14 days ago

What signal do you think has the biggest impact on LLM citations today?

When you look at how LLMs choose sources, what signal do you think carries the most weight?

Some possibilities:

  • Topical authority
  • Brand/entity recognition
  • Original research
  • Structured data
  • Content freshness
  • External citations and mentions
  • Something else

I'm interested in practical observations and experiments rather than assumptions. If you've tested something that consistently improved citations or visibility in LLMs, I'd love to hear about it.

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u/rudhrahkeshav — 14 days ago