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On Vox, Charlie, and my frustrations with season 2.

I want to preface by saying I sincerely enjoy season 2 and like it more than season 1. But I won't pretend there aren't things I wish were different.

I can't shake the feeling there were missed opportunities here, even though I do love a lot about season 2. They built up Charlie and Vox to be foils, but did nothing meaningful with that. It felt like they were going to be more important to each other for this exact reason. At no point does Charlie reckon with the fact that the man trying to ruin her dream is almost a mirror into who she'd be if she was a villain. She could have had such a fascinating arc if this was actually part of it. Charlie wants to be a counselor and rehabilitate people, so how would she handle having to confront her own flaws through Vox? How would she feel recognizing her good qualities in him? From his point of view I think Charlie could actually make him jealous. Unlike him she's comfortable being openly bi, is in a committed relationship, comes from privilege, has Alastor actually working with her (whatever ulterior motives Alastor has notwithstanding). I don't think its a stretch to say that areas in which they diverge could trigger his insecurities. I also feel like she'd remind him of sides of himself he's embarrassed of like that neediness that drives them both. They could have both had their characters explored in interesting ways if the show actually put their parallels to narrative use. It's all just sitting there right now, and it doesn't mean anything. Yes there's always a chance future seasons will do something, but season 2 was an ideal moment for this to start. I don't even know how confident I am that Vox and Charlie will have their stories intersect like this again. Next season sounds like they'll be in separate storylines. I swear none of this is about shipping Staticbelle, it's about how the relationship and conflict between our protagonist and her narrative foil felt ignored.

I also feel like complaining about this right now, but I hate the way Alastor broke his deals. The whole thing with Charlie announcing Vox as the strongest sinner somehow making it real despite Alastor forcing it out of her is stupid. I genuinely get mad over this because it just doesn't make sense to me. People have tried arguing with me its because she's the princess, but nobody actually gives a shit about that in the show. Why have it matter now? (I don't really want to debate this again, I just really need to vent.) It's not helped by the shoulder touch that I saw coming a mile away, this entire part of season 2 is so contrived I hate it. Vox is made to look stupid and Charlie is just a pawn to make Alastor look smarter. The worst for me is we jump right into their big dumb fight while Charlie is just off doing other things. So sorry I wanted her to be the one who defeats him, not like they're foils or anything! And while Alastor effectively won their beef the actual fight ended in a draw. So I guess we're gonna see them fight AGAIN! Yay.

u/profaneangel1991 — 4 days ago

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Hello r/SafeSpaceofVox, I your mod have a question about woobification. Do YOU personally woobify Vox? If not, what's your thoughts on people who do woobify him? Also, what are your thoughts who woobify other characters and villainize Vox?

Personally, I'm a certified Vox woobifyer myself. And I do not like the woobification of any other character, not because I think it's wrong or shouldn't happen, but because it's just not for me. And obviously I'd hate content that villainizes Vox but woobifies other characters, especially when it's characters I like less than him... So basically everyone. I'm curious what's it's like for everyone else.

u/Alternative_Sugar_85 — 7 days ago

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Anyone else dislike radiostatic?

No hate to anyone who ships it, but I absolutely cannot stand it. I don't like radiosilence. I don't like murdermedia. I don't like its 10 thousand other variants

I really need to know because it seems like a large majority of Vox fans (and Hazbin Hotel fans in general) absolutely LOVE rs and I feel like I'm going insane because I don't ;v;

Edit: I'm not mad at the people who've commented so far but I guess I should specify I'm looking for people who dislike ALL rs ships. DO NOT COMMENT IF YOU LIKE RS!! THIS POST ISN'T FOR YOU!!

u/Single-Medicine2448 — 12 days ago

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For those of you who own Vox plushies, has anyone tried swaddling him like a baby?

I've been thinking about this ever since I saw a video on swaddling babies a while back (featuring a real live baby, no less). I don't have a Vox plush, but I feel like it would be a lot of fun to try.

u/MissDeborah8060 — 9 days ago

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Supposing Vox had died at the end of Season 2 (there's a point to this, I swear)...

Not so long ago, I was watching some YouTube videos that actively wondered why Vox is still alive after the end of Season 2, now that big arc is seemingly "over." One YouTuber in particular went into more detail about a proposed Disney villain-style death in which the laser cannon somehow detaches from Lucifer before exploding and taking Vox (and presumably the other Vee's) with it. Vox would then be dead, but he would make a spectacle of his death that would be permanently etched into the minds of everyone around him, and so retain some of the "fame" he so desperately wanted. And, the path would be clear for a new villain to emerge in Season 3.

I realize there are problems with this scenario (notably: less Vox), but I still can't help but think it sounds like a better ending for the last season than the one we ultimately got. At least a big, dramatic, spectacular death scene would allow him to exit with dignity, so to speak, and come across as a genuinely tragic character. As opposed to what we actually get, where Vox finds himself alive but humiliated and trapped while his two biggest abusers (Alastor and Valentino) get away with everything and are seen as heroes for helping to bring him down. Couple that with all the merch and fan art of Vox looking miserable surrounded by his happy abusers and it starts to get really uncomfortable in the way a simple, dignified death scene never would--almost like someone (or several someones) on the art team finds the idea of miserable Vox more gratifying than dead Vox. Because Vox is just that horrible, apparently.

Of course, the best-case scenario for future seasons is that Vox will recover, do some soul-searching, get his power back, and become a heroic character himself; but I just don't think that's ever going to happen. If he does get a "happy ending," it's probably going to involve him utterly submitting to Alastor or Valentino or both. I could be wrong, of course, but I'm not optimistic. And I honestly think that would be a fate worse than death, at least in relation to how Vox has been presented thus far. No one likes to see a beautiful wild animal locked in a cage or turned into a house pet, unless they themselves are exotic animal collectors who enjoy breaking them.

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u/MissDeborah8060 — 11 days ago

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Small change I would make to the "Brighter" sequence

Although I like the "Brighter" music video in itself, I always found the leadup to it a bit underwhelming. If it were up to me, I'd make the following change:

Before the song officially begins, when it's just Vox in his lair saying "Failure. I'll show you failure," instead of leading right into the song, his words would be punctuated by flashbacks showing Vincent as a young person, terrified of his father, who says some variant of "Get out of my sight, failure!" or "You're such a failure, I wish you'd never been born!" Maybe there'd also be a scene in there of Vincent killing his father in a fit of rage or something, I don't know. But either way, only then would it slide into the song.

The reason this would work so well is twofold. In the first place, it would show exactly why he's so obsessed with being this powerful person whom everyone worships and takes seriously. As it is, the "Brighter" video adds some interesting context to his plans to declare himself a god, but doesn't actually explain how or why he wants that in the first place. In the second place, there's the element of surprise. There's something about seeing a bad guy who's almost certain he's won flashing back to a younger, more vulnerable state that is super compelling for fans (myself included). If the show had managed to pull something like this off, I think Vox would be even more universally loved than he already is, and the show itself would get a massive boost in prestige for helping the audience see this character in a whole new light (as opposed to what we actually got, which for me at least is the sense that Vox COULD have been an amazing character if only the writers put more thought into how he was written).

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u/MissDeborah8060 — 11 days ago