
r/Sovereigncitizen

Sovcit guru claims student success
A rational person would have a lot of questions…but their followers are not rational
BJW explains why he has “never truly lost” any of his cases
Posted on his Facebook page.
>The reason why i can never lose is because you can never break my spirit. Because i have the spirit of an American.
>If i never give up, i never truly lose. This is how i sustain the court defeats that i do.
>To me I've never truly lost. I've simply learned valuable lessons that advance my skills into the next case.
>When i sued AMEX, they say i supposedly owed them $177k. They have never attempted to collect on that and we have a currently active appeal in the 9th Circuit that i am awaiting to move to the next step with (which I'm hoping is oral argument).
>The SBA case i lost, then i lost the appeal, then my writ of certiorari was denied. I "allegedly" owe them $198k. You don't see anyone knocking on my door attempting to collect that.
>Less than 1% of all attorneys ever file a writ of certiorari into the US Supreme Court in their entire careers. My first time up to bat was decent, but now i have enough info to do a full timeline breakdown, with exact case law, to prove the birth of the 14th Amendment class.
>I just lost my City of Glendale case to a demurrer. Some people clap in joy. To me, all i see is an opportunity to learn my State appellate process and possibly the Supreme Court process.
>I'm well on my way to being able to comfortably operate in Federal and State courts, appeals and the various Supreme Courts. The percentage of lawyers that can do that is probably less than a tenth of a percent.
>You may say "well yeah but they can win cases." Fine, but I'm sure if i wanted to ride the elevator down 700 floors and file something like a personal injury case, i could probably win pretty easily. Or i could do a credit repair case with Joey Kimbrough and probably win one of those very easily. I know that.
>So why do i torture myself?
>You see me sue governments and massive corporations and i have never had even a single word of discovery issued on me. I've never been sanctioned. I've never been countersued.
>The reason i torture myself is because getting in the ring with the biggest, nastiest opponents has allowed me to grow at break-neck speeds.
>With zero formal training, i have my own law firm charging top-tier 40-year attorney hourly rates... all within 2.5 years of filing my first case. This is mathematically impossible.
>Oh no it's not. Not when you truly feel the spirit of America and you lunge at the biggest and meanest persons in the room.
>I cannot be charged, i cannot be sanctioned. I cannot be defeated. It is simply more growth each time i fall down. Then i dust myself off, learn, and move forward.
>I'm preparing to move the City of Glendale State case into appeals. I'm taking a little time off before i do but the process is going to be very slow. Once i file the notice of appeal into the case, it will most likely take months before my opening brief will be due. The opening brief will be quite a lot of work... similar to my writ of certiorari.
>I'm more than happy to do it. Because pushing myself this hard is what has allowed me to grow so fast.
>Then, with the new Federal case... if it is somehow dismissed, the 9th Circuit makes it incredibly easy to file an appeal with them. I personally find it amazing how they not only have a simple form for pro se litigants but they also have a very simple and very nice online submission portal. That appeal will be very easy to whip up.
>And so we continue on our journey. A journey that has ONLY ONE EVENTUAL OUTCOME...
>And that outcome is that these government corporations will bow before the law. They will kneel before the commercial codes and they will no longer operate as rogue agencies that believe that they can simply do whatever they want without repercussions.
>They tell us that we must follow the law while they tell us how we can pay and what kinds of notes and drafts we must use.
>They are insane and they are off their leashes. This ends when they respect the law and bow before it. And we will not stop until they do.
The confidence is impressive. The legal argument, not so much
I Get It Now.
I apologize if this is off topic or type of post isnt allowed here.
Ive been rabbitholing down SovCit court room videos and I think I get it.
These people just have no clue how the judicial system or the American government system works. (Ie. Legislation, Executive, Enforcement, Judicial)
And theyre usually, for a lack of a better word "hooligans" who has gotten in trouble with the law, they then get locked in to this IDEA of a system (SovCit) that would get them off the hook.
Its a system they WISH it was how it works, but only because of their initial lack of understanding, thinks it can work.
Because of their lack of understanding of the law/system/procedures to begin with, they decide to risk it and be their own attorney because they "red pilled" a secret system underneath the system...what they dont know is that it can end up way worse than if they just follow the damn system and pay their parking ticket or some bullsh*t. They dont know that because of their lack of understanding.
Some people are in so much trouble that theyre so desperate to hold on to this idea because to admit its false, they'd also have to admit they've made poor decisions in their life and the cognitive dissonance is too strong for them to admit it.
I actually dont think theyre stupid at all. I think its a combination of trauma and mental illness/neurodivergence. Something to be fixed by a therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist as opposed to getting a higher IQ.
Saying theyre stupid is disrespectful to the learning disabled community lol 😆 because plenty of them know better than to belive in this. And some SovCits are very well spoken and college educated.
I havent seen any lawyers or ex law students changing their minds to believe in this because they have an understanding of the constitution and judicial system/process.
Thoughts on this?
Canadian sovcit court decision, with sovcit making a special appearance.
canlii.orgSovcit King Solomon Seals-Supalus believes he is entitled to 700,727, 700 zillion dollars and all wealth, gold, silver, and commerce.
govinfo.govAny lawyers out there willing to share your experience talking to a SovCit?
* With no judge or prosecution in the room, do they keep up the “I don’t comprehend the nature or cause of these charges” claim?
* Do they know that no court case has ever prevailed using this kind of defense?
* Do they actually believe that each person is two people - the living person and the straw man?
* Do they think any court has jurisdiction over anyone?
Some very interesting points here from a lawyer about sovcit idiocy.. send to someone that can be "saved" (video enclosed)
Some interesting points, including that maybe for some of these people the reason why they keep recommitting is that the punishment is too lenient... Which I agree. If someone doesn't think the laws on the book don't apply to them, then "throw the book at them".
The worst part about this I think (why these people keep doing this)
Why aren't these police officers informing these people that they got scammed? They'll literally hear a long winded story how "they told me to cancel my I'd and stop paying my registration and yada yada".. at that point these officers need to tell these people they got scammed.
I know that they're breaking the law, but many of the people that fall for this crap are not or sound mind (usually being a glowing example of Dunning/Krueger). I'm sorry but some YouTube/Instagram/tik tok videos made by felons posing as lawyers and/or police officers isnt more informed about the constitution and laws than actual judges and jurists.. they should have to deal with the consequences, but someone also needs to tell them "I'm sorry for you sir/ma'am but you got scammed". The things you're saying don't actually mean anything, it's attempted legalese and serves no purpose beyond confusing people into buying illegal id's and tags .. (it's weird because they are definitely criminals, but also some if not most are victims..)
It's made worse by the cult like tactics these people use is deeply troubling.. I can't help but feel bad for some of the folks that fall for this crap..
Wow! Off topic post but relevant.
So apparently the Redditor I was engaging with today decided to:
Delete the entire thread of our discussion.
Then delete their account
And report me as having a mental health issue.
Ah the fun of posting on Reddit.
Edit - turns out they probably just blocked me. So then I would like to ask the mods to look into banning this person. Goose something or another for harassment.
SovCit Throws In the Towel
Today's Team Skeptic video was pretty good. In the first case he covered, the defendant denounced his earlier SovCit diatribe during his sentencing hearing. I personally doubt he was sincere, but it was still refreshing to hear him come to his senses.
During another hearing, the judge smoothly shut down a SovCit every time she started with her nonsense.
In the last case, a SovCit refused to approach the podium, and tried the "special appearance" trick. So, the judge immediately issued a warrant and the SovCit was hauled off to jail.
I think these lawyers say it pretty well.. there's a reason why lawyers don't use sovcit arguments, because legal they have no standing (video enclosed)
If youve ever wondered why sovcit's always defend themselves in court, it's because every attorney they speak to tells them they need to accept a plea deal because they broke the law.. (and because of that, they accuse all attorneys of being "in cohorts" with the prosecutor)
SovCit home purchase attempt
Here is my run-in with a SovCit. adjacent person. This happened about many years ago. I work at a county Assessor's office, in the ownership/exemptions division. We deal with ownership issues related to deeds, transfers of ownership and any exemptions available. Most transfers of ownership stem from some sort of deed, either a grant deed, quitclaim deed or related document. The key phrase her is "deed" which will be relevant to my story.
I was working the front counter fielding questions from the public who come into our office in person, which is a fairly common occurrence. One day I had a young gentleman enter the office and present proof that he took ownership of a property and would like to have it acknowledged. He also had a copy of Black's Law Dictionary with him. Now, generally, deeds and other legal documents which hold title are recorded documents which are notarized and recorded with the Clerk/Recorder (a separate office as ours). What this man had was a bill of sale instead of a deed. That was my first clue that something was off. Granted, you can change ownership without a deed, such as a court order (think of a divorce settlement), probate documents or more commonly an Affidavit of Death of Trustee or Cotenant, Inter-spousal Transfer, etc. So, a bill of sale, while not common could be a starting point to ownership change.
So, I question the man about the bill of sale. He claims that the owner of the house sold the property to him and he wanted to recognize the change in ownership. So, I look at the bill of sale. I notice that the bill of sale is only initialed by the buyer (who was in the office) and not the seller as well. I question the buyer about this fact, and he says "The buyer listed the home on the market. This signals his intent and willingness to sell the house. I want the house so therefore both parties are in agreement" etc.
I tell the man, that it takes more than an agreement to sell something, that money (or full cash value) needs to change hands for a "sale" and I kid you not, he says that the US government will provide him the funds needed to buy the house. Specifically, he says Secretary of State John Kerry (this was many years ago) will foot the bill. Now I'm curious! "How do you mean?" I ask him. He pulls out a passport and notes the section of the passport that says that the US govt/Sec of state will provide financial assistance if needed. I look at the passage and say "That means if you are overseas and go to a US Consulate, they will give you a quarter for a phone call, not buy a house for you" - I might also add, that the house in question was in one of our more expensive areas of the county, million plus home values.
I consult with a supervisor about the issue, and we eventually decide to point him towards the County Sherriff's office, specifically the Real Estate Fraud division. I also put a call to the broker listing the house and they were familiar with the weird dude who walked through the property. I was concerned that this dude would forge the sellers name and maybe kill the seller - all sorts of ideas were in my head after this visit.
While I don't think this is exactly SovCit related, I feel like this dude was in jail for a bit and had nothing to do with his time but read the Black's Law book during his free time. Similar to SovCits who believe they have found some magic "loophole" for legal dealings.
I've also have come across deeds made by real SovCits, which are hilarious, as deeds need specific mailing addresses and other identifying information, and these deeds would list a city as "near said city's name" etc. And the signatures would always be weird, thumb prints and all the SovCit's typical BS.
Video Education for Sovereign Citizens?
All SovCit's that get in legal trouble should have to watch an engaging video to kindly explain to them why deadly car accidents have always required insurance or financial compensation since forever, and other simple maths that any one with a brain can figure out.
When I was a kid we had great drugs education, just saying what heroine does, and some folk I met never had that, it's only fair if everyone has access to the basic life lessons that stop them being a menace to society.
Anyone that has one of these sovcit "fee schedule's" should just automatically be found guilty
Seeing as how apparently these people (falsely) believe that law enforcement can get charged for doing whatever is listed in these fee schedule, I honestly think a large amount of them intentionally non comply essentially giving the police officers no choice. In fact every video I've watched it seems like these people are intentionally wasting police resources, arguing fake and or misinterpreted laws and rulings, and often they brag that "they're going to get so much money".. (despite no one ever having won any of these ridiculous cases)
The only logical conclusion I can come to is in these ret**ded groups theyve convinced people (that would otherwise just follow the law and/or take the ticket) that they can make so much money by provoking law enforcement into doing whatever bs..