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difference with how fandom treats mileven & lumax

oh my god i am gonna get SO much hate for this. but thats alr cause like this fandom is kind of one of the most hateful ones.

first of all i get if yall like byler or mileven but the amount of hate mike gets is CRAZY. the boy is hated for being a teenage boy with anxiety and trouble in communicating.

when max went into a coma, everyone started making those ‘everybody moved on but i’ with lucas of how he waited for her to wake up for years. and i get it i love lumax so much okay but when el dies and people are just saying “el’s dead get over it” like its fuckin ambiguous?? we can choose what we like??

and the amount of people not giving a shit about el and just telling mike to move on, and that somehow lucas is so much better than mike is baffling, to say the least.. i have had SO MANY people telling me that el is dead okay, and its like people have lost sympathy and all they care about is rewriting the season to get mike and will together, not el.

i’m probably gon get a ton of hateful comments but ok.

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u/Competitive-Host-545 — 12 days ago

Stranger things moment discussion part 53/100: Chrissy dies

So brutal! One of the most brutal deaths in the show, and the way it was directed was just beautiful. Eddie's pure screams of terror actually send thousands of chills down my spine. And of course, I have to say this: CHRISSY WAKE UPPPPPPP I DONT LIKE THIS CHRISSY WAKE UPPPP

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u/Ok-Minute3743 — 10 days ago

Stranger things moment discussion part 52/100: Jonathan fights Steve

Love this for Steve's growth. He really needed punching in the face for him to realise, "What am I doing?" I also love how cathartic it is for Jonathan to finally get the chance to take his emotions out on someone who (mostly) deserves it.

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u/Ok-Minute3743 — 11 days ago
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El wasn’t demsel in distress. In fact She has more life experience than the boys. Yes a negative one but still she knows how to operate without someone’s help

Several points here might be little silly but still the bottom line she wasn’t some dumb kid without knowledge about life

u/Aiyatiadi — 13 days ago
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Mike and El end up reuniting

The first point to my theory that I would like to bring up is the el and mike picture posted on Instagram from the stranger things and netflix accounts after the last episode came out. In that picture I can say that it's el and mike for a few reasons. One of the reasons is because stranger things, Millie bobby brown and Finn Wolfard reposted it on their instagram stories, amd wrote "The storyteller and the mage". This in itself proves that it is infact El and Mike in that picture. They did not adress them by their real names, but rather by their dungens and dragons names in the show. It is important to keep in mind that at the end of stranger things, Mike was explaining how everyone's futures were going to go using their dungens and dragons names. So This in itself could mean, in the future, El and Mike end up together. The caption of that picture says "we belive", so does this mean the crew (except that one duffer brother apparently) belive that El and Mike do have their happy ending? Some other important notes for that picture is that it has a bunch of 90's stuff in it. So could they reunite in the 90's? I think another main hint that it is El is that there are eggos in the picture. Eggos are one of Els iconic things, so This shows that it is El and Mike. I also noticed after zooming in that El has an engagement ring, so her and Mike end up engaged and eventually married :). The last thing is many people are saying that picture took place in the wheelers basement, a location in the show. I think based on all This evidence it is safe to assume that picture is El and Mike, confirming that El and Mike do end up finding each other. The next point I want to bring up is the shot of Mike at the end of the show, when it showed his future. When he is writing his book, the paper is white. But it reflects purple on his glasses. In the final dungens and dragons game, he says that there is a purple light and then the mage appears. He is writing his book on a Typewriter, so it can't be explained away by saying he changed tabs on a computer or something. The light on his glasses symbolizes that El will come back, and they will find each other. In this shot you also see that the curtains are closed. We don't know his location, so it is very possible he is already in Iceland with El. Another important note from this shot is that he has a picture of El on his desk. If he is not already in Iceland with her, I think that this shows that he has not given up on her and never will. Keep in mind in season 2 Mike called El every day for 353 days, and never gave up on her after only knowing her for a week and not even knowing if she was alive. In season 4, he drove across the dessert not even fully knowing where she was and if he could find her, just because of the chance that he could. Now, he has known her for years, and he knows she is out there. Once it is safe to do so (Dr. Kay died or something), Mike will go to unbelivable lengths to find her, and I don't think he will give up until he finds her. The next point I want to bring up is how when Mike is explaining his future to his friends, he says that he will never be able to tell the true story of the mage. He tells his friends about how he knows El is alive, but he just said that he can never tell the true story, so maybe there are parts he is leaving out, because he can't tell anyone. This means that it is possible that El told Mike her plan and where she was going (she may have just said a place with waterfalls), and told him not to contact her or find her until he was sure it was safe, but most people still can't know. Since she did ask Mike to help their friends understand her decision, he did that in a way that wouldn't reveal too much, just give them the comfort of knowing that she is okay. The next point I want to bring up is the parallels from their final goodbye scene to some other scenes in the show. The first parallels I want to bring up is the goodbye Mike scene at the end of season 1. This is a major paralell because both times Mike tries to stop her, she says goodbye Mike, and dissapears without any evidence that she was ever there. But as we know, they found each other again in season 2. I do not think that it is a coincidence that the scenes are that similar, to the point that they basically mirror each other. They will find each other just like season 2. I think that is the implication. The other paralell is Hopper and Joyce in season 3. Hopper also makes a sacrifial act, letting Joyce stop the machine from making the upside down portal, knowing that he would die. When Joyce goes to find him he has dissapeard. But as we know Joyce ends up finding him. Although the paralell is not as strong as it is to the one in season 1, it is still a paralell non the less. I belive these paralells show that El will reunite with Mike and probably her friends too. Another point I want to bring up is that at the end of season 2, El promises Mike that he won't lose her again. We all know El takes the whole friends dont lie thing very seriously. It is part of her as a person and part of her understanding of the world. It is a defining part of friendships and relationships to her. So I don't think she would go back on her promise, and ultimately end up lying to him. I think she is checking up on him all the time (also tying in to When she told Mike she would always be with him) and then when it is safe she will help Mike find her. Another point I want to bring up is the usage of the song heros when they were discussing El and the end of the last episode. This song has been used before when they found wills body and he was belived to be dead, and when they were discussing hopper at the end of season 3 beliving he was dead. Both will and hopper were found and came back. This song seems to be the song used for "this character is belived to be dead, but they aren't and came back to everyone after being found". Again, I think this is intentional. El is alive and will be found. Lastly, I want to bring up the dungens and dragons game at the end of the last episode. When will tries to summon the mage, nothing happens at first, but then after some time, she comes back. As we known from stranger things, most of the stuff that happens in dungeons and dragons games happens in real life for them too. This would mean that at first, El doesn't come back, after some time, she does. This is foreshadowing a reunioun not only with Mike, but with her friends as well. While I do know what the one duffer brother had to say about a future reunion, the way that he started it sounded more like an opinion if what he thinks El would do than a confirmation. I do belive all the details I brought up were intentional, it's hard to do most of those things accidently. For me the instagram picture was all I needed for confirmation that El does get her happy ending with Mike. My theory might not be the best, but at the end of the day it is the theory I choose to belive. I hope it makes sense to people reading.

u/Competitive-Host-545 — 12 days ago

Stranger things moment discussion part 50/100: Demodogs in HMH

Love Lucas carrying Max, love Vicki's reaction to the demos and of course Karen. Fucking. Wheeler. Epic moment.

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u/Ok-Minute3743 — 14 days ago

Stranger things moment discussion part 51/100: Will's fake body is found in the quarry

This is like the moment that got pretty much everyone hooked. From Hopper's regret and sorrow to Joyce and Jonathan's hug, to the boys tearful reactions and of course, heroes.

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u/Ok-Minute3743 — 12 days ago
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Netflix CEO

In an interview with the Hollywood reporter, the CEO of Netflix Ted Sarandos mentioned that he wished the Duffer Brothers and Shawn Levy good luck with what they do next
He also specifically mentioned that Netflix owns the IP and that it will be a part of them for a long time to come
Like I’ve been saying since the jump, it’s not up to the duffers as to whether or not stranger Things continues
There are plenty of people who could run a show or even a limited series
I think one good choice would be Mike Flannigan, considering he loves Steven Spielberg so much
The show obviously has a lot in common with Steven Spielberg books and El is basically a combination of a lot of of his different characters
Either way these things are not said by accident
I find it interesting that we’re coming up on the anniversary of November 6
I believe

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u/TaiPan43 — 13 days ago

Jonathan and Nancy: Sometimes loving someone means letting them go

I finally had some free time recently and finished Stranger Things, so I wanted to write down some thoughts about one of my favorite parts of the show.

My favorite ship is still Jonathan and Nancy, without a doubt.

I actually got spoiled pretty early on that they wouldn’t end up together, and I also knew about the “un-proposal.” Even knowing that, I still cried my eyes out when I actually watched it.

If I hadn’t been spoiled, though, I think I would have been SO happy when Jonathan started preparing the ring… and then probably furious when he put it away XD

So because I knew how it would end, the sweeter their scenes were, the sadder I felt. I ended up cherishing every little interaction between them.

Honestly, I think this is one of the best and most realistic portrayals of a relationship I’ve seen. Stranger Things is a show that combines sci-fi, fantasy, horror, and so many other things, yet it puts this much thought into the emotional details of these two people’s relationship.

Jonathan and Nancy were brought together partly because of their shared trauma. Without Murray’s interference, I think Nancy probably already liked Jonathan anyway. In Season 2, when they were at the motel, Nancy mentioned that she had waited for him for a month the previous year, and then after Murray said a few simple things, they finally got together.

They fell in love because they had shared trauma and experiences.

But what happens when you take the trauma away?

The seemingly insignificant everyday things are actually what make a relationship feel real.

“I hate X.”

That little conversation about music says so much about them. Their interests are different, and they tolerate those differences for each other. But sometimes love is slowly worn down by all those tiny things you keep swallowing for the sake of the other person.

Their personalities are different too. Nancy is driven and ambitious, while Jonathan is much more cautious and reserved. You can see that contrast in the newspaper storyline and again in Season 5.

Jonathan wants to stay close to his family. Nancy has a dream of becoming a journalist.

And Jonathan’s line in Season 5, “Why did you choose to go up there?” feels like it might have been foreshadowing this difference between them.

Their trauma and shared experiences brought them together, and those same things also gave their relationship a sense of security. Because of everything they had been through together, it felt like no one else could ever replace that bond.

But that same bond also trapped them.

They loved each other, but they weren’t necessarily right for each other anymore. And yet they both seemed to believe that, because of everything they had been through together, they were somehow destined to stay together.

That’s why Jonathan felt guilty about not going to Emerson with Nancy.

Maybe avoiding the conversation was Jonathan’s mistake. But considering the time period, being separated like that may have felt almost equivalent to the end of a relationship. And that’s probably why he couldn’t bring himself to tell her.

When Jonathan asked Murray to get the ring for him, I think part of him wanted to use marriage as a way to stabilize their relationship.

But at the same time, he knew it might make things even worse.

After all, back in Season 1, both of them had already recognized the kind of future they didn’t want after seeing their parents’ relationships.

I also think the writers used this moment to finally close the love triangle. (Although personally, I still think the whole love triangle storyline in Season 4 was unnecessary.)

Nancy didn’t choose Steve.

But she knew that Steve understood what he wanted from love.

She didn’t.

And that meant Nancy needed time and space to figure out where her relationship with Jonathan was actually going.

Jonathan understood that.

And for someone as cautious and conservative as Jonathan, he made an incredibly difficult decision and proposed an “un-proposal” to Nancy.

I think if Nancy had rejected it, Jonathan probably would have continued walking alongside her anyway. That’s just who Jonathan is. He has always been someone who takes care of the people who matter most to him.

But Nancy accepted.

She was willing to not marry him.

And through that, Jonathan gave her back her freedom.

“I loved you.”

“I love you.”

It’s not that he stopped loving her.

It’s precisely because he loved her so much that he chose to let her go.

He chose to give both of them the freedom to move forward.

Their feelings didn’t simply disappear. They transformed the bond that had been created through trauma into something else.

Love doesn’t only have one definition.

They did love each other romantically. And starting in Season 4, they had already told each other what they loved about one another.

Now that love simply had to take a different form.

I also saw someone describe the liquid state of the environment during that scene as a metaphor for their relationship, and I really liked that interpretation.

When Nancy chose to go upward, the crisis began.

When she chose to shoot, Jonathan was initially hesitant too.

Their different personalities are reflected in those moments.

And when Nancy accepted his un-proposal, everything finally became stable.

Their love was like a liquid turning into a solid.

It became something more grounded and stable: letting go, while still remaining deeply important to each other as best friends.

What I especially love about the scene is that Jonathan didn’t ask, “Do you want to break up?”

He asked whether she was willing not to marry him.

Breaking up carries a sense of finality, like the relationship has reached its end.

But choosing not to marry leaves room for something else.

And more importantly, Jonathan gave Nancy the choice.

He let the girl he loved decide what was best for herself.

That, to me, is Jonathan being incredibly considerate and romantic.

And Nancy made the choice that was best for both of them.

They loved each other enough to let go.

In the end, Jonathan and Nancy still loved each other.

I think that’s why I cried even though I already knew what was going to happen.

It’s heartbreaking to watch two people who genuinely love each other realize that, because of all the little frictions and differences that accumulated over time, they might not be able to make the relationship last.

I started feeling especially sad when Nancy admitted that she didn’t like that music.

Because it’s such a small, ordinary thing.

And yet even those little everyday differences could create so much friction between them.

It made me realize that maybe they really couldn’t stay together forever.

Still…

A small part of me hopes that years from now, when they’re both older and more mature, they might somehow find their way back to each other.

And please, please let the rumors about them breaking up in real life be just rumors 😭

I’m already sad enough about the fictional relationship. I don’t think I can handle the actors’ breakup too 😭

u/Spinosaurus0714 — 13 days ago

I Just Finished Stranger Things, and Now I Feel Like I’m Saying Goodbye to My Own Childhood

I binge-watched Stranger Things over the past few days, and now I feel so empty.

I honestly wish I had started watching it 10 years ago. I really wish I could have experienced watching these characters grow up, both on-screen and off-screen, over the years, and then finally reaching that last episode and saying goodbye to them.

The story started in a basement, with the kids playing D&D. And in the end, we see them putting the game away and leaving the basement one by one, almost as if they're leaving their childhood behind.

And then there’s Mike, watching his sister and her friends start a new story of their own. He finally leaves his own childhood and adolescence behind and starts moving forward.

The older teens are growing up too, gradually becoming more mature and moving toward adulthood. They make a promise to meet once every January, and honestly, that sounds incredibly difficult to keep. But at the same time, in that era, staying connected wasn't nearly as easy as it is today. I feel like if you really cared about your friends, you would make the effort to actually go see them.

Even though I watched the entire show in just a few days, the ending still gave me this strange feeling of saying goodbye to my own childhood and youth.

I genuinely don't know how much more emotional this would have been if I had spent 10 years watching these characters grow up alongside me.

Especially because the characters' journey from high school to adulthood is happening at the same time as my own transition from high school to working life. I think that would have hit me so much harder.

I only spent a few days with them, and somehow I still feel like I've lost something.

Now I finally understand that empty feeling people get after finishing Stranger Things.

u/Spinosaurus0714 — 9 days ago

Some of my Funko pops from the show so far!

I’m still working on building a collection. That explains why I only have a few, but I just got Will, Holly, and the split El Pop yesterday.

u/RingDangerous7694 — 13 days ago
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It’s been officially 9 months since the finale came out, and I still bELieve El’s alive and Mike will find her. ❤️

And hop we’ll get a spin-off for them and they’ll get a confirmed happy ending. ❤️

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u/Competitive-Host-545 — 13 days ago
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Eddie was inspired by Damien Echols from the WM3!

"Eddie Munson from Strager Things season 4 is directly inspired by Damien Echols of the West Memphis Three case."

u/Lili-Lace — 11 days ago

How I would've written season 5 of stranger things

( ALL of this based purely on show material - idk about the theatre pieces)
We all know that stranger things wasnt exactly super satisfactory - so this is how I wouldve changed certain parts to make it a better season in my opinion.

Case A : Give the grandfather clock an actual meaning
The grandfather clock in my opinion was one of the best visual intrigues that this season had. Its connection to vecna and the killings made it so sinister and terrifying. The grandfather clock also felt so timeless and thus terrifying, like all the mistakes from the past had come back to haunt you.
My idea is instead of 12 random children, I would make vecna go after the heroes - he needs to capture 12 of them, and thus he starts with the weakest physical link - holly.
My explanation of his connection to the grandfather clock would be a backstory - something like his father being excessively controlling to 'fix' his son once discovering Henry's pschyopathetic tendencies. This causes Henry to want to destroy the clock because it reminds him of sterility, of control, of punishment. But after many failed attempts - he decides to own his fear and make it his signature, to make others feel the pain, of having to face the music, of fear. I know that family trauma might be a cheap shot but it explains why he would kill his family but leave his father alive. Not saying all killers were abused children but it would explain his motives and actions. So his idea to reign the world could come from there, from a heavily projected trauma.
Main motive - destroy time once and for all - he should be controllling everything

So the story would go on that he tracks each one of the heroes one by one and kidnaps them. I would go for this order:
Holly, Max, Dustin, Johnathan, Joyce, Harper, Ms Wheeler, Nancy, Steve, Mike, Eleven and Will.

Im basically going by most physically weak / mentally unstable to more strong. The reason will is last is because vecna uses him to spy. I basically want will to have the harry potter/voldemort battle of trying to seperate himself from the trauma - who is he? without all this pain - who is the person that he is trying to seem as.

I do get that maybe after dustin, you would be a little confused by the order but its based on feelings of the person. Imagine holly, max and dustin are gone - johnathan is lured and kidnapped using his own insecurities - the stress of not being able to get with nancy, his own shortcomings - which would feel especially painful when he just lost 3 of his brother's friends. We could also show will and johnathan's connection here, vecna could lure johnathan in by promising to keep will safe, to rid him of his pain.
Once johnathan is gone,
imagine joyce's state.
Then subsequently harper.
Ms wheeler and nancy finally succumb to vecna after the grief of holly.
And so on.

This is vecna's plan. He chooses the heroes because they are proximally the closest to the upside down and the biggest threats that he has. vecna acknowledges them as opponents.

Episode 1 :

The way the heroes handle this is by firstly, going through trauma. Their step would be to honestly ignore the problem. Imagine you just realised the world i going to end - your like 16 and you have to save everybody, against a celestial beast - it makes sense for them to shut down and just want to live. I would want the first episode to just be harper and maybe nancy running around begging everybody to focus and fix this mess. Until at the end - holly goes missing with a grandfather clock covered in blood.

Episode 2 :

the whole group finally wakes up and hunts for holly praying that maybe this was a prank or something. They are finally forced to acknowledge that they have to stop this monster. They finally start planning, but their plans are meagre, their rusty, their fighting against each other. Some characters are closer than others and fight over their tensions. Then Max goes missing.

Episode 3 :
However, this time they discover two things - 1) max is dead 2) max forced vecna to slip up through his mind as one final act of definance to save the crew by making him slip up and reveal that this a pattern, vecna is not killing them out of fun or fear, its for a larger course, meaning holly is STILL ALIVE. This gives the heroes motivation and hope - sure max is dead and gone but holly is there. So they finally get their work together and start planning - reverting back to dnd to help them tag different concepts and use them to think of plans

Episode 4:
This is gonna be a blood bath of a episode where the heroes constantly plan and try to predict who is gonna die next and constantly come up with the wrong answers - leading to the wrong people being taken/lured away. I would also add that some of them fight demogorgons. ( we lose dustin, joyce and harper)
But 3 kind of good things happen.
A) since vecna is expanding so much energy - we find out more of his backstory
B) we see where the kidnapped are going through dustin's eyes
C) we realise that vecna hasnt been outsmarting them - but rather understanding them, someone in the room is in kahoots with vecna.

Episode 5:
The entire gang is pointing fingers at each other. The people who lost their loved ones are especially distressed, wanting to kill others. This is when vecna attacks from many sides - breaking down places - forcing the heroes to have to work as unlikely alliances. Vecna thinks this will break them further apart. All the heroes fight with many blaming each other - with will in fit of anger revealing that he's gay AND getting shamed for it ( im sorry but its the 1990s - no way in hell is gonna be immediately accepted ). This leads to even more conflict as the person in kahoots is infact will - even if he is doing it unwillingly. However, this is the episode where he sees his family struggle with his sexuality and actually choosing love above all and accepting him with all his flaws. The episode where he realises he wasnt just pitied but loved, even mike accepting his feelings and apologising for not being the kind of person he couldve talked to. This love and care makes will realise that there more to him that being a monster. He accepts the trauma and finds himself - controlling the hive mind from that moment on.

The people in the kidnapping are tormented endlessly mentally.

Episode 6:
The heroes are now protected from vecna's mind and have insights on him thanks to will. Vecna is furious and doesnt understand how Will managed to flip the connection on its head. He slips up due to hastily trying to secure nancy - accidentally revealling info that allows will to have some inkling on where they are.
The whole episode is just them trying to get a message to the people kidnapped - you have to save yourself.

Okay I kinda got tired here - but the rest of the story is that the heroes basically escape from vecna's world by setting the timelines right and for this they essentially use the mindflayer to kill vecna to self destroy. I know this sounds crazy - but vecna is too big to be defeated by the heroes - the only way out is convincing him to kill himself.

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u/Fair_Geologist4459 — 13 days ago